class that requires least CSing

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

blowuaway wrote: »

this. very helpful, and awesome at the same time,thanks for writing this, sorry if i sounded a bit dumb/ ill informed in my last post (which i was btw)
but i just gotta know, since you seem to know your way around PW ,i gotta ask how much dungeoning can i enjoy as a DD or cleric even, with out high end gear? just you know, mid game, that stuff thst you could get with out buying Cs items, because PvE is a big thing to me, pvp not so much, thats my big hang up here in the game, how much do i have to upgrade my gear so im not getting carried through dungeons

If your aiming for casual mid game, mostly to enjoy the game;

veno - good for more solo related. Since they have a pet to enjoy, its like having another person fight with you and makes things faster and easier.

Any DD - midgame, pple are not all fussing about leet gear yet, This is where u show them you can play properly. Once your rep is up, you will get invites. You can also take the initiative and make your own squads which i personally like to do because you are the one the chooses when to make them. (saves time)

Barbs/cleric - if you like taking care of pple, its ok. pple will naturally expect you to spend more money on MP or HP tho even if its not required. These 2 jobs, if you take your eyes off the screen for a few sec. while playing, someone might die. Its a no rest job.

Only prob is that midlevel instance and higher level instance (lv100+) have different 'wants' for classes. If you see the above Saeidon's post, it kinda gives u a picture of how 'wanted' each class is. Unless your play that character exceptionally (100+), you will see alot of what Saeidon said. One the brightside, those instances that want specific types of classes, are limited to Nirvana and possibly Warsong, and maybe one other at the most. The type of instance where its either too damn long, or 'if you dont kill them fast, then theyll get you even faster' type of dungeon.

blowuaway

thanks you guys, this has been awesomely helpful, after a lil pc mess up i gotta reinstall PW, but now geared with all this helpful info im sure i can get pretty deep in this game, thanks for helping me get off the mind set that PW is just CS or get out, feel alot better about it now. thanks!!

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

oh and rule of thumb that half the pple miss out on.

Always check the auction house when you got the time. When pple fight mobs, gear drops. And those are usually sold in the auction house. Once in a while, you will find cheapo gear that has extremely good bonus stats that surpass Legendary and Twilight Temple gear.
This is normal 1,2,3 star gear.

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@Olbaze. R6 dagger builds have a higher potential damage than R8 and Nirvana dagger builds. The -0.05 interval allows them to get to 5.0 to beat the R8, and they just have higher attack power than the nirvana.

I swear sins need -0.1 for 5.0

BlindFate - Sanctuary

None of the classes need to CS but for some things like the HP and MP charms you might have to or buy those from catshops when you can find them. I play all the classes and each has thier needs for either hp or mp but you can make your own with the down side of the cool down. I've also bought the large bank stone and the large inventory stone and since my main is a Veno I've also bought the large cage to have all my pet slots open lol. I can't say I've not spent a bit of real world money but if you spend the time and effort in this game you could play all the way through with out spending any real world money on this game. I do love how people say you need this and you need that to do well in this game and if you play a veno then you really really must have a Herc or nix or both shame on you if you don't that is just too funny b:laughb:laughb:laugh

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

I swear sins need -0.1 for 5.0

Actually, they don't:
Dagger: -0.05
Armor: -0.1
Leggings: -0.05
Boots: -0.05 (TT99 LA bonus)
Wrists: -0.1
Ornaments: -0.05 (TT99 HA bonus)
Cape: -0.05
Tome: -0.05
Total: -0.1*2 + -0.05*6 = -0.5

Since base Attack Speed of Daggers is 0.5, you end up with 0.8 - 0.5 = 0.3, which is what you need to get 5 aps with Demon Spark.

Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@Olbaze. R6 dagger builds have a higher potential damage than R8 and Nirvana dagger builds. The -0.05 interval allows them to get to 5.0 to beat the R8, and they just have higher attack power than the nirvana.

Hitman Legend: 130,606 DPS
Ocean Supreme Dagger: 121,697 DPS
Dark Death Thorn: 145,866 DPS
Barrier Thorn: Nirvana: 133,461 DPS

The only part about your post that actually is true is that Hitman Legend does out-DPS Ocean Supreme Dagger. However, that is only true when comparing maximum APS.

Also, Hitman Legend costs about twice what Ocean Supreme Dagger does. So if costs are any kind of an indicator, Ocean Supreme Dagger pretty much rules in terms of cost effectiveness.

Not to mention that in terms of 5 aps, Barrier Thorn actually comes out cheaper than Hitman Legend, as Hitman Legend requires Pan Gu, Creator, which is worth about 200,000,000, whereas Barrier Thorn: Nirvana does not. And considering that there's less than 100,000,000 difference in cost between Barrier Thorn: Nirvana and Hitman Legend, that pretty much makes Hitman Legend useless.

Effectively, Hitman Legend is only useful if:
1. You bought it before the rep sale
2. You plan on staying 90-99 for a long time

So effectively, for anyone aiming for 100, Hitman Legend is nothing but a relic of the past. It loses to Barrier Thorn: Nirvana in DPS and cost to get 5 aps and Barrier Thorn: Nirvana would also allow for more flexibility, such as: using event boots or Cube Neck+Warsong Belt or Divine Brotherhood.

The only time when Hitman Legend is worth it is if you can farm all the badges yourself. Then the costs are just time. If not, you're better off going for Barrier Thorn: Nirvana or Ocean Supreme Dagger.

I_skateboard - Harshlands

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wrong, Clerics are no longer needed in nirvana if the squads soon realize that BloodPaint is better then a cleric.

Ever Thought of The Reduction In APS ??

Cleric Will Most likely Be needed

Saeidon - Heavens Tear

@Olbaze. You are right on Hitman Legend.

However, nirvana stage 2 has the potential to go much higher than you listed. I'm not sure what the best possible stats would be, though I imagine -.05 along with GoF (painful though, so +20attack level would be more desirable for pve certainly).

How does 4.0 R9 fare?

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

oh and rule of thumb that half the pple miss out on.

Always check the auction house when you got the time. When pple fight mobs, gear drops. And those are usually sold in the auction house. Once in a while, you will find cheapo gear that has extremely good bonus stats that surpass Legendary and Twilight Temple gear.
This is normal 1,2,3 star gear.

This is how I got by up to ~90 or so, armor-wise.
In fact, I still use an amazing 3* 76 AA boots I found in AH, all resistances, 4 sock, +69 pdef, +4 vit, +70 hp, for 70k in AH. It's practically the same as tt80 gold.

Regular gear with amazing add-ons can be pretty stunning.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@Olbaze. You are right on Hitman Legend.

However, nirvana stage 2 has the potential to go much higher than you listed. I'm not sure what the best possible stats would be, though I imagine -.05 along with GoF (painful though, so +20attack level would be more desirable for pve certainly).

Of course it can do much better. I did not add + Attack Levels on the weapon because I wasn't counting them in the first place, because then comes in the question about Jones' Blessing. I also wasn't using GoF or SS because they cannot be quantified to add to the DPS.

I simply went to PWDB, looked at the list of mods and chose the best mods that added directly to the DPH.

And besides, if I wanted to, I could've just gone with GoF and 2x -0.05, as that's very much possible, since there is a SS and 2x-0.05 already.

How does 4.0 R9 fare?

Catastrophe Stinger, 116,017 DPS

Though, that is without R9 ring nor the +attack levels. If you just count the increase from the levels, you'd be looking at 149,164 DPS. Which is more than any other alternative at any possible APS.

Roriror - Lost City

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wrong, Clerics are no longer needed in nirvana if the squads soon realize that BloodPaint is better then a cleric.

i clearly have never had a decent cleric in your squad.

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

Merchant

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Lu$t - Sanctuary

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wrong, Clerics are no longer needed in nirvana if the squads soon realize that BloodPaint is better then a cleric.

did a squad spam for 3 hours last night with 2 sins 2 bms and another archer (im an archer myself). Only time I died was when I had to afk for teh potty (xD) and when the queen 1 shot us after we were all at the immune npc =/

Tbh from personal experience, I'd say roll a sin. No one really asks you for your aps as a sin because you have bloodpaint at least and subsea. You can make it your farming alt/main and work on it's gear then support another toon that you wish to really play/pvp with.