Water and Fire Dragon Combo

Saeidon - Heavens Tear

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I know for a fact it wouldn't be hard, unless he had def level shards up his ***.

My sig, was when I had only a +10 weapon, and if I had a +12 r9 with the extra 60 attack level, I could easily hit WAY more than what he did..

This.

As I stated before, I hit a sin for 220k ish recently, and honestly didn't feel it was worthy of a screenshot (I could certainly get 300k + with the right debuffs), and while I do have R9, its only +10 with perfect shards.

Evanera, with a +12 R9 weapon and full R9 set could probably drop a 300k on a full R9 BM (assuming they didn't use JoSD's everywhere), though that may require BT and not BIDS. Sadly, I would be limited to below 300k


Btw... this screenshot is one that I did feel worthy of getting. I know it can easily be beaten by a +12, plus i was missing a couple of debuffs / buffs, but its quite good

Yulk_owns - Lost City

holy mother of OP BIDS (credit card along with that)! b:surrender

Sad you haven't stun locked him. Ah well, he got you first lol.

Baalbak - Dreamweaver

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Triple sparked BIDS crit with R9 (+12?) and HF. If you remove crit, triple spark and HF, the damage looks kinda realistic... or maybe not lol.

by my calculations, removing the crit and HF puts the damage at approx 28,633
not sure how to "de calculate" the sage spark, but i know ive been hit by a wiz for 14k+ before. and just judging off the fact that for me personally a normal crit is about equivalent to a triple sparked non crit.. i'd say that damage is perfectly realistic to achieve.

kinda makes me want to land a PvP zerk crit Armageddon on HF. See what my pve hit of 306k would look like on someone wearing arcane armor o.0.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

b:shocked

wnight

Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »

Warning: Math ahead. The result's down below past the next bit of red text.

Triple Sparked BIDS:
Base magic attack + 700% (Triple Spark Bonus) + 500% (Spell bonus) + ~14k (Spell bonus), all of which is water damage. That is, (Base + 1200% + 14k) water damage.

Triple Sparked BT:
Base magic attack + 700% (Triple Spark Bonus) + 200% (Spell bonus) + ~6.2k (Spell bonus), all of which is fire damage, plus the same thing again, as physical damage. That is, (Base + 900% + 6.2k) fire damage, and (Base + 900% + 6.2k) physical damage.

The difference is (300% + 7.8k) less elemental damage, offset by (Base + 900% + 6.2k) more physical damage.

Now, I tossed together this BM as a theoretical target. TT99, elemental ornaments, +5 refines, fully buffed but no marrows. Physical Resistance is 79%, Elemental is 58%. Undine drops that to 47%, so let's just say 80% Physical Resistance versus 50% Elemental.

The damage difference after taking into account resistances thus becomes (150% + 3.9k) of elemental, offset by (20% of Base + 180% + 1.24k) of physical. Basically, the point at which a triple sparked BT is better than a triple sparked BIDS on this particular target, after undine, is roughly when (20% of Base magic attack + 30% of weapon magic attack) is roughly 2660. Assuming 400 magic, Base magic attack will be 5 times weapon magic attack, so the breakeven point is when 130% of weapon magic attack is approximately 2.6k. That is, when weapon magic attack (including rings) is over 2000 or so.

Any +12 endgame wizard weapon will be past the 2000 weapon magic attack mark, when you include rings and shards. I think +9 or so is enough for a Nature Talker's maximum to go over 2000.

So yes, a triple sparked Blade Tempest does have the potential to outdamage a triple sparked Black Ice Dragon Strike, even on a fully buffed BM, without any unusual debuffs. Removing Undine Strike from the debuffs only tilts the balance in favor of BT, as does increasing the refines on elemental ornaments. Magic Marrow, naturally, favors BT over BIDS as well. Physical defense debuffs are also easier to come by than magic defense debuffs. There's also Spark (the genie skill), which can rather drastically reduce fire defense.

Of course, this is assuming I have the damage formulae properly understood. Everything I've read seems to indicate that BT gets the triple spark bonus added twice, and that's what makes the difference.

Maybe your math is correct BUT there is 1 flaw in it : Blade Tempest's Damage is 1/2 Physic and 1/2 Fire and not x2 like you wish it to be b:cute

Saeidon - Heavens Tear

wnight wrote: »

Maybe your math is correct BUT there is 1 flaw in it : Blade Tempest's Damage is 1/2 Physic and 1/2 Fire and not x2 like you wish it to be b:cute

Please don't ever respond to a maths post again.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

1 x 2 / 2 = APPLES!