Question for the best of the best Psys

Anemone_ - Harshlands
Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
edited February 2011 in Psychic
Hello fellow psychics.

My question is to those psys out there with amazing gear, the psys with all gear refined very high with at least r8 or preferably r9.

I would love to get a chance to pick your brain about how you feel the class stands against others in a pvp setting with your level of gear?

Do you still have trouble with aps classes?

How do you feel when fighting other classes at your gear level?

And most importantly, do you feel confident still about your investment in the psychic class now that it's near the best it can be?


Thx you in advance for your comments, There just seems to be a lot of times when I get insta killed by aps classes and doubt the validity of my class. I am just looking for confirmation that there is a point of gear level when these things start getting better, or tips on how you deal with certain classes which you find difficult.

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  • Anemone_ - Harshlands
    Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Hrmmmm I have a feeling this question may take a while to answer, since the population of very very well geared psys may be still slight. b:chuckle
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  • Cacophony - Lost City
    Cacophony - Lost City Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    The only class that can be quite difficult to beat is sin. I don't have extreme refined gear, but I feel I can compete with/beat all, as long as they aren't a good/dumptruck sin.
  • Sthenith - Dreamweaver
    Sthenith - Dreamweaver Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Cacophony - Lost City wrote: »
    ...dumptruck sin....

    WTH is that ? A sin that comes outta nowhere and hits like a ton of bricks in a few seconds ?

    A well geared psy is from what i've seen a force to be reckoned with. I can't speak for R8 or R9 geared sin's viewpoint...but i bet they also will have it harder on those.
  • Anemone_ - Harshlands
    Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Sthenith - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    WTH is that ? A sin that comes outta nowhere and hits like a ton of bricks in a few seconds ?

    A well geared psy is from what i've seen a force to be reckoned with. I can't speak for R8 or R9 geared sin's viewpoint...but i bet they also will have it harder on those.


    Yeah it's the sins with r8 or r9 that can destroy you in a couple of seconds.

    All the caster classes I seem to have no problems with fighting toe to toe, but those aps can kill me before my finger can even tough Expel.

    I also am r8, just not very high refines yet.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I'm not a psychic, but I've heard aps chars complaining that some of the best psychics are impossible to kill with aps because of the chance at a seal. I'm sure a few will wisen up and get will surge or chain immune.. but if you have enough hp to delay the .5-1sec so you can react.. I have a feeling psychics will be nearly immune to aps chars xD
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  • Anemone_ - Harshlands
    Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm not a psychic, but I've heard aps chars complaining that some of the best psychics are impossible to kill with aps because of the chance at a seal. I'm sure a few will wisen up and get will surge or chain immune.. but if you have enough hp to delay the .5-1sec so you can react.. I have a feeling psychics will be nearly immune to aps chars xD

    Perhaps I'm just still missing some better slot gears / refines, but as it stands now aps just have to get close to be then after a blink by me my hp is gone.


    Time to go back to nirvana farming!



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  • PinkyRose - Archosaur
    PinkyRose - Archosaur Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm not a psychic, but I've heard aps chars complaining that some of the best psychics are impossible to kill with aps because of the chance at a seal. I'm sure a few will wisen up and get will surge or chain immune.. but if you have enough hp to delay the .5-1sec so you can react.. I have a feeling psychics will be nearly immune to aps chars xD

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    b:shocked I will never roll a High Level character on Harshlands....that guy must've oneshotted about five or six people at once...with Earth Vector. It made me appreciate the blue name, ijs.

    It's true. The best refined and geared Psychics are scary as hell.....but that's about the only way we beat up people for the most part....Rank. >.>;
    My Psychic on DW is 98...I can beat down most folks, but my gear is average, and it's F2P. So yeah, I could kill a few people, but I don't stand NEARLY as good a chance as I saw Dian on that day.

    Holy f*ck. b:surrender
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  • Vindrael - Lost City
    Vindrael - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Soul of Retaliation prevents any other class from opening with a stun (unless they really feel like stunning themselves). That, right there, is one of our best skills in my opinion. This brief moment, when they have to attack you with a single hit before they can stun you, is a God-send. This moment allows you to enable Psychic Will and become immune to physical damage for 8 seconds (10 if you are sage). If you have an anti-stun, eat it. If not, get the genie "break out of stun" skill.

    If you are immune to their attacks and can't be stunned, APS means nothing *. I cannot tell you how much I miss SoR and Psychic Will when I am on my wizard.

    * A skilled sin will enable the buff that converts half their damage to water damage and 5 APS you to death with water. b:shutup b:chuckle
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Vindrael - Lost City wrote: »
    Soul of Retaliation prevents any other class from opening with a stun (unless they really feel like stunning themselves). That, right there, is one of our best skills in my opinion. This brief moment, when they have to attack you with a single hit before they can stun you, is a God-send. This moment allows you to enable Psychic Will and become immune to physical damage for 8 seconds (10 if you are sage). If you have an anti-stun, eat it. If not, get the genie "break out of stun" skill.

    If you are immune to their attacks and can't be stunned, APS means nothing *. I cannot tell you how much I miss SoR and Psychic Will when I am on my wizard.

    * A skilled sin will enable the buff that converts half their damage to water damage and 5 APS you to death with water. b:shutup b:chuckle

    the water buff you are referring to only adds a slight bit of water damage (its basically like wizard frostblade buff). You'd have to be pretty damn low on hp to die to just that rofl.. and it doesn't half their normal damage, its just adds that slight water bit.
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  • Anemone_ - Harshlands
    Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    the water buff you are referring to only adds a slight bit of water damage (its basically like wizard frostblade buff). You'd have to be pretty damn low on hp to die to just that rofl.. and it doesn't half their normal damage, its just adds that slight water bit.


    With a Sin it takes just a 1 second mistake to die to a skilled sin while in black voodoo.

    That "slight water damage" is just icing on the cake. But like I said my gear isn't yet refined to all 10+ on my gear so the soulforce difference could make SoV more of a threat at higher refine levels.

    That's why I'm looking for a reply with a above average geared Psy to help shead some light on the matter on how fights with these classes go for them.
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  • Risingson - Lost City
    Risingson - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I love my Psychic.

    Now I don't know if I'm to be considered very well-geared, since I don't have R9 and what not. I do think my gear is pretty good, but I'm no LuuXun.
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  • Vindrael - Lost City
    Vindrael - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    the water buff you are referring to only adds a slight bit of water damage (its basically like wizard frostblade buff). You'd have to be pretty damn low on hp to die to just that rofl.. and it doesn't half their normal damage, its just adds that slight water bit.
    Ecatomb - Net wrote: »
    Condensed Thorn
    Requisite Spiritual Cultivation: Aware of Vacuity
    Deals damage based on your attack plus 1817.4 physical damage.
    Also Slows target by 50% for 5 seconds.
    Also adds 50% Water damage to your normal attack for 10 seconds.

    Ecatomb fails again. Thank you for correcting this, I was actually afraid of sins having a good way of getting through our Psychic Will.. b:chuckle
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm not a psychic, but I've heard aps chars complaining that some of the best psychics are impossible to kill with aps because of the chance at a seal. I'm sure a few will wisen up and get will surge or chain immune.. but if you have enough hp to delay the .5-1sec so you can react.. I have a feeling psychics will be nearly immune to aps chars xD



    Urdian of Harshlands (r9 +12) has a soul of vengeance that reflects 1k damage+ and a soul of silence that silences about every third hit.

    I would definitely expect a nerf and/or cap for the "Soul of" skills somewhere down the line.
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    Urdian of Harshlands (r9 +12) has a soul of vengeance that reflects 1k damage+ and a soul of silence that silences about every third hit.

    I would definitely expect a nerf and/or cap for the "Soul of" skills somewhere down the line.

    I don't. Devs too lazy to modify 5aps. Like I've said before, why the hell would they even bother with a class that takes +10 or higher refinements before they are way overpowered. Imo more money in their pockets for them.

    But yeah, I love sins. Possible dumbest aps class out there. And BMs hit me for **** and you can see em coming.
  • Vindrael - Lost City
    Vindrael - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't. Devs too lazy to modify 5aps. Like I've said before, why the hell would they even bother with a class that takes +10 or higher refinements before they are way overpowered. Imo more money in their pockets for them.

    But yeah, I love sins. Possible dumbest aps class out there. And BMs hit me for **** and you can see em coming.

    ^ This. 5 APS is becoming more common, so casting classes are slowly becoming less relevant (outside of TW, anyway). If they nerfed our skills, there would be zero point to being anything other than a melee class that can get APS.
  • Anemone_ - Harshlands
    Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Vindrael - Lost City wrote: »
    ^ This. 5 APS is becoming more common, so casting classes are slowly becoming less relevant (outside of TW, anyway). If they nerfed our skills, there would be zero point to being anything other than a melee class that can get APS.

    Yeah unfortunately I'm starting to see why the majority of classes I see are sins. b:surrender

    Suppose well just have to wait and pray that something changes with them before the other classes become extinct and we end up with a world of sins lol.
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  • Sthenith - Dreamweaver
    Sthenith - Dreamweaver Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Other classes won't just become extinct because of sins. Every jim,joe & bob made a sin when they came out, but how many "truly" skilled and well geared sins are there ?

    From the sins i've seen so far, most (80%) below lvl 99 have average to "regular" gear, some have good gear, and some are well or exceptionally geared.

    The same goes for other classes. There is oc a difference in "numbers'" but that doesn't mean those sins are all "main" toons.

    My own cleric is my "main", my sin is my second, and my psy, well, he's for the freaky fun of AoEing.

    The only class that is really "low" in numbers is wizards. Those that exist above 100+ are truly to be feared, Those are usually not alts and are well equipped.

    Although there are enough APS toons running around, Psy's and wizzies are the ones people still run from. When i see a whiz with -42% channeling, and rank gear, i run like hell.
    Trust me, you don't wanna run into one of those. And some psy's are the same.
  • SSarmento - Raging Tide
    SSarmento - Raging Tide Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    The only aps class that can overwriten soul of silence is the Sin, with tidal protection.

    Imagina a psy with 40k soul force and a silence rate of 20% each hit...

    Yes, well geared and refines psys cuts aps real quick.
  • Vindrael - Lost City
    Vindrael - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    That's a very good point. At high soulforce, Soul of Silence makes us pretty OP.

    There was a video posted on the PWI front page not too long ago titled "Seeker Preview", where one of the skills looked like black banshees streaming around the Seeker. The Seeker was able to run around and kill stuff like normal, but if any creature got within range, the banshees also automatically attacked. I'm curious to see if the banshees will attack a sin in stealth... b:question
  • L/latt - Harshlands18
    L/latt - Harshlands18 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    (logged into wrong account - this is from urDian on Harshlands)

    A +12 sin can still kill me now and then, especially if they maze step an Iron Guard, but even then their success rate is pretty low. If I'm paying attention, I can pop AD and Psy Will if I'm not stunned, or Expel if I am. In either case the sin is generally dead unless they can force stealth fast enough.

    With over 50K SoulForce, my chance to seal is about 30%, so without a way to counteract that, no APS class can generally beat me.

    Well geared Psychic = anti-APS class.

    The problem is the investment required in either farming or CS. For a sin to be able to kill nearly anyone, they basically just need a good weapon (of course, more -int gear helps).

    For a Psychic to withstand them, they need good gear EVERYWHERE.
  • Anemone_ - Harshlands
    Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    L/latt - Harshlands wrote: »
    (logged into wrong account - this is from urDian on Harshlands)

    A +12 sin can still kill me now and then, especially if they maze step an Iron Guard, but even then their success rate is pretty low. If I'm paying attention, I can pop AD and Psy Will if I'm not stunned, or Expel if I am. In either case the sin is generally dead unless they can force stealth fast enough.

    With over 50K SoulForce, my chance to seal is about 30%, so without a way to counteract that, no APS class can generally beat me.

    Well geared Psychic = anti-APS class.

    The problem is the investment required in either farming or CS. For a sin to be able to kill nearly anyone, they basically just need a good weapon (of course, more -int gear helps).

    For a Psychic to withstand them, they need good gear EVERYWHERE.


    Hey urDian, nice to hear from ya.

    And yeah that's what I was basically gathering about sins and there damage.

    One question though do you think a high refined r8 Psy could stand as good of chance as you?

    And also do you spend most of your time fighting sins in white or black voodoo?

    Thx urDian for your input. :)
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  • Malekith - Harshlands
    Malekith - Harshlands Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    SSarmento - Raging Tide wrote: »
    The only aps class that can overwriten soul of silence is the Sin, with tidal protection.

    Imagina a psy with 40k soul force and a silence rate of 20% each hit...

    Yes, well geared and refines psys cuts aps real quick.

    noob here, but what does silence do against auto attacking aps? i thought silence, as used by other skills such as clerics, makes it so you can't cast... can you guys differentiate between seal, silence, stun?
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Malekith - Harshlands wrote: »
    noob here, but what does silence do against auto attacking aps? i thought silence, as used by other skills such as clerics, makes it so you can't cast... can you guys differentiate between seal, silence, stun?

    stun: vant move, cant use any actions (skills,auto-attack), cant use pots/apo/items. basically can only use genie and charm ticks

    silence (seal): you cant use any actions (skills/auto-attack)
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  • September - Lost City
    September - Lost City Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    http://zoome.jp/leshymiui/diary/6/

    Just wanted to share with you guys, Psychic can be really tankie, better than a Barb in this case. At one point in the video, they almost give up on killing her. The seal skill is awesome + voodoo and the others. I'm sure that she has really good gear, but nothing is impossible right?

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  • Anemone_ - Harshlands
    Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    September - Lost City wrote: »
    http://zoome.jp/leshymiui/diary/6/

    Just wanted to share with you guys, Psychic can be really tankie, better than a Barb in this case. At one point in the video, they almost give up on killing her. The seal skill is awesome + voodoo and the others. I'm sure that she has really good gear, but nothing is impossible right?

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    Lmao! Very awesome video.

    And very nice hearing from all these different Psychics about varying topics on this thread, much more than I anticipated with just a single question.

    Lets keep the mind juices flowing, anyone have any comments on the move combos they enjoy using most against players?

    Mine personally is using my Tide spirit along with Soulburn against caster classes,(Or any class for that matter) It's a really great combo that punishes the opponent for trying to retaliate while there being onslaughted.
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  • LuciferV - Raging Tide
    LuciferV - Raging Tide Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    b:thanks 100 more kills ... to 10k kills!! Psychics are just awesome!!
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  • Anemone_ - Harshlands
    Anemone_ - Harshlands Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »
    b:thanks 100 more kills ... to 10k kills!! Psychics are just awesome!!

    That's way awesome Grats!

    I'm waiting till I get a few more pieces +10 till I go red again, gotta at least put up a fight against those +12 r8/9 sins. b:surrender
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  • Sthenith - Dreamweaver
    Sthenith - Dreamweaver Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    http://zoome.jp/leshymiui/diary/6/

    0.0

    Over 20K HP at lvl 101 on a Psy. trust me, that one has GREAT gear.
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Sthenith - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    0.0

    Over 20K HP at lvl 101 on a Psy. trust me, that one has GREAT gear.

    Pretty sure we don't need your assurance to know that ourselves b:thanks
  • KittyTaco - Lost City
    KittyTaco - Lost City Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Sthenith - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    0.0

    Over 20K HP at lvl 101 on a Psy. trust me, that one has GREAT gear.

    over 20k HP...but it looks like even that psychic doesn't have sage Aqua Impact or Spirit Blast

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