Expensive mats

RuneSeeker - Harshlands

Well, I've been trying to raise my manufacturing skills (craft, tailor, blacksmith) up to lv 4 for the past month. I'm only about half way there atm, but jeez are mats ever expensive. I can't really farm rough furs/glue/oil at this level, but buying them really bites my coins.
Furs are around 10-11k each, concentrated glue is around 7-8k each, oils are also expensive.

Just to get to lv 4, it would cost a couple million coins (making 2* weapons consistently is expensive) unless I try and farm the majority of the mats.
Is there any easier way to get to lv 4 with today's economy? Or are the mats I'm trying to buy ridiculously overpriced? (obviously it would have been great if I knew what 2* things I needed to create before I was lv 50+... this is my first time trying to get to lv 4 in manufacturing)

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

If you're patient you can occasionally find the 2* gears you need in the AH for ~500k ea

RuneSeeker - Harshlands

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you're patient you can occasionally find the 2* gears you need in the AH for ~500k ea

Not the best way to go around, as you really have to wait a long time (and be lucky). Also, since you would need 9 items, you would also need to spend several million through that method.
Just to illustrate;
To have a decent chance in crafting all the 2* items for craftsman, blacksmith and tailor lv 4, you would need:
108 rough furs
108 purified oils
90 concentrated glue
75 silk threads
60 carbon iron
45 lumber
36 coal
and 18 gravel
(in total around 540+ mats)
All this would give you only 3 chances for each item.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

RuneSeeker - Harshlands wrote: »

Is there any easier way to get to lv 4 with today's economy? Or are the mats I'm trying to buy ridiculously overpriced?

Crafting has always been a net-loss, financially. A lot of people are willing to pay a large premium to try to make items themselves.

It's cheaper and easier to just buy equipment from other players, since in almost all case the mats are worth more than the item they make. I know that's crazy, but that's how people choose to play the game.

So basically that means if you want to learn to craft you're going to have to pay as much as others are willing to pay, whether that means buying the mats or buying the required items. You could farm the mats, sure, but that still means you're earning then selling millions of coins worth of mats that you could spent on other things instead.

The exception is Apothecary, which is basically free to learn and very useful.

Brigid - Harshlands

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

Crafting has always been a net-loss, financially. A lot of people are willing to pay a large premium to try to make items themselves.

It's cheaper and easier to just buy equipment from other players, since in almost all case the mats are worth more than the item they make. I know that's crazy, but that's how people choose to play the game.

I disagree. I've always been able to make respectable profits by buying TT materials or molds, crafting them, and selling the result. I have no idea if I've recouped the initial costs of getting level 7 of each manufacturing skill yet, but in the long run I have no doubt I'll have made a profit.

However, it does require a significant investment, and market imbalances like the ones I take advantage of don't always last.

RuneSeeker - Harshlands

I'm thinking of leaving out craftsmanship completely, as tailor, blacksmith and apoth would be more than enough anyway. Good decision/bad?

Olbaze - Sanctuary

RuneSeeker - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm thinking of leaving out craftsmanship completely, as tailor, blacksmith and apoth would be more than enough anyway. Good decision/bad?

At endgame, you won't find the ornaments for autobind stuff such as TT99s in the AH because people don't really make them more than they need to and since there's little variable in them, they don't sell the ones they don't like.

In fact, I'm doing the exact opposite: I'm leveling Craftsman and deprioritizing the others, because you can always find the armors because there's always someone who doesn't want 2 sockets or 3 sockets and puts their armors on sale in AH. Same with weapons.

Twsted - Raging Tide

spend 21mil and buy the 30 gold to buy masterys from cash shop >_>

RuneSeeker - Harshlands

Twsted - Raging Tide wrote: »

spend 21mil and buy the 30 gold to buy masterys from cash shop >_>

I think spending 3-4 mil on mats would be SLIGHTLY cheaper than 30 gold x 3. But I could be wrong.

I'm not sure about crafting. Rings aren't a prob and ornaments... well that's really only two pieces of equipment that you need to worry about.
TBH I guess it really comes down for me to either dropping blacksmith or craftsman, keeping tailor no matter what though. (weapons just seem harder to buy than ornaments, at least for an archer)
Edit: WOO got tailor lv 4 pretty easily.
Edit2: Blacksmith is being a total... just manufactured over 10 heretic banashing pataka's and none 2*... fml

Brigid - Harshlands

Honestly, past 70ish there's very little advantage to be had in making your own gear, save convenience and vanity. The best equipment is typically TT/mold gear, with preset stats, so you get the same result no matter who makes it. Blacksmith especially is a pain due to the high mat costs of weapons, and it takes an absurd amount of luck for a "normal" weapon to match a TT/mold/instance weapon in the same level range.

Also, aren't you in my faction? If you ever need something made and have the mats, just say something in faction chat. We've plenty of folks with L5+ manufacturing skills, and more than a few with 7 (sufficient for up to TT99).

RuneSeeker - Harshlands

Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »

Honestly, past 70ish there's very little advantage to be had in making your own gear, save convenience and vanity. The best equipment is typically TT/mold gear, with preset stats, so you get the same result no matter who makes it. Blacksmith especially is a pain due to the high mat costs of weapons, and it takes an absurd amount of luck for a "normal" weapon to match a TT/mold/instance weapon in the same level range.

Also, aren't you in my faction? If you ever need something made and have the mats, just say something in faction chat. We've plenty of folks with L5+ manufacturing skills, and more than a few with 7 (sufficient for up to TT99).

Yeah pretty much my only concern with crafting is so that I can make my own equipment, TT and molds. And yeah I'm in your fac, so I guess I'll drop blacksmith as I just destroyed like 800k worth in coins yesterday trying to make those 2* weps. Out of 3, I only managed to make 1 b:surrender
Well, atleast I got my tailor so I can have TT armors with my name b:victory
Alright, thanks everyone for their tips and advice, my dilemma with crafting is solved! b:thanks