Myself at LV100

Falcondance - Heavens Tear
Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
edited February 2011 in Archer
This is what I'd be looking at. I did my best to keep costs down as much as possible.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ca29775c205be6aa

Critique? I know my defensive balance is out of whack and any wizard worth his salt that sneezes on me will cause me to evaporate, but I can't afford lunar rings. Any suggestions?
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"I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
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  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I never liked those Rank 8 shinguards. They can't be made into Nirvana >: I'd get TT99 instead.

    Having a max armor refine of +3 is kinda low for endgame. I'd shoot for at least +4, not all too hard with refine stones.

    Attendance ring > FC Gold ring.

    Since you already went out of your way with the TT99 HA ornaments with this build, you might as well get the Lunar cape, too.

    Restat that magic to 3 >:O And I hate seeing added Vitality but that's personal preference so meh. Also, your strength be a bit high. FC Gold fists? Assume so.

    That be all I have for now I suppose. It would help if I knew if this were your absolute endgame build or just a for now cost-effective build.
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • lizrau
    lizrau Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    dunno if you'll be able to afford this, but i switched a ring, the r8 legs, and the cape, took out the vit, and magic added to dex. and upped everything to +5, weapon +6 which you should kinda aim for at endgame if u can afford it. otherwise i think this is a better version of what you had in mind, but just imo, if you can afford it.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=266f2d81f08f8126
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    Sig credits to Myra :D
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Well, it's a for now cost-effective build. I've no reason to get TT99 greaves unless it's for Nirvana, so it's inevitable that I'll keep upgrading. I can't afford the Lunar cape, lol. The TT99 HA ornaments are necessities, the cape certainly isn't. I hit -0.45 interval with FC gold fists and this build. I need +4? Dragon Orbs or, say, Tisha/Tienkang stones? Thanks for both of your help.
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Using archer skillbooks as ammo doesn't seem cost efficient.
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Don't worry, it's just Blazing Arrow.

    Fire damage. b:chuckle
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Devoted - Lost City wrote: »
    Using archer skillbooks as ammo doesn't seem cost efficient.

    When you shoot books, your pet never goes hungry?
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I think it costs a lot more to get the 3rd and 4th socket on the Warsoul helm than it is to get everything to +5.
  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Yep, or you could simply sell the 2 socket helm and get a championship scroll and try again.

    It sucks more when your LG cape comes out with 2 sockets b:cry.
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This is what I'd be looking at. I did my best to keep costs down as much as possible.

    I'm iffy about the shins in particular. Critique? I know my defensive balance is out of whack and any wizard worth his salt that sneezes on me will cause me to evaporate, but I can't afford lunar rings. Any suggestions?

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c38709d53447ce08

    Thats pretty typical budget gear at 100+ so really nothing to criticize. If you cant afford NV leg, Lunar cloak and higher refines etc this is definitely the way to go. If you want more mag def and cant afford Lunar ring, maybe get a COA ring? They only cost like 15 mil or so and refines for magic defense. But in general i wouldn't worry that much about low mag def. Not like 250 extra def from a ring is gonna help much. You dont need much mag def for pve. And for pvp; even if you would be using magic defense neck+ belt +10 you still get 1 shot by wizards/psychics b:chuckle.

    Magic defense charms is the only thing that saves you from casters, unless you're pimped out with x2 def gems and full rank9/Nirvana stuff.
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    Thats pretty typical budget gear at 100+ so really nothing to criticize. If you cant afford NV leg, Lunar cloak and higher refines etc this is definitely the way to go. If you want more mag def and cant afford Lunar ring, maybe get a COA ring? They only cost like 15 mil or so and refines for magic defense. But in general i wouldn't worry that much about low mag def. Not like 250 extra def from a ring is gonna help much. You dont need much mag def for pve. And for pvp; even if you would be using magic defense neck+ belt +10 you still get 1 shot by wizards/psychics b:chuckle.

    Magic defense charms is the only thing that saves you from casters, unless you're pimped out with x2 def gems and full rank9/Nirvana stuff.

    A COA ring! I forgot about those - much better idea than a Unicorn Spirit. I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Alkaia - Harshlands
    Alkaia - Harshlands Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Do you plan on some pvp as well? Or just pve?
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I would like to pvp eventually. I realize that in 10x pvp I'll get rolled no matter what I do if I have a +3 refine, but, you know, I'll get there :p
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Alkaia - Harshlands
    Alkaia - Harshlands Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Well if your final goal is pvp then I would drop this whole aps idea, and the extra vit and str. The reason for that is because you aint going to use any op fist plus they wont be with high refines. The vit part is kinda obvious. As for refines, everything takes time and hard work so dont worry.. You will get it eventually.
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Will I be PvE-viable without fists?
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Will I be PvE-viable without fists?

    No....
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Gotta keep the Str then. The Vit is a personal choice. ^^
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Alkaia - Harshlands
    Alkaia - Harshlands Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Well tbh I got 9x bm which I stoped playing and made this archer because all of this aps ****.. I dont hate it just find it realy booring. So one thing Im not going to do is make an aps archer. Plus I realy dont care if the rest of the server looking for aps only, find a group of friends and pve with them. About the vit consider the fact that you wont have high refines on wep so you losing alot of dmg. Good luck.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Alkaia - Harshlands wrote: »
    About the vit consider the fact that you wont have high refines on wep so you losing alot of dmg. Good luck.

    50 vit on an archer winds up being an approximately 10% dps drop (how much exactly depends on your cultivation and other factors -- its probably actually not quite 10%). Higher refines increase the amount of damage you lose.

    So, in my opinion, you have totally misidentified the issue here.

    The real problem with low refines + vit is that when you are soloing you increase the chances of being hit. But if you are fighting anything that was designed to be fought solo by someone your level that was not wearing a jones blessing, the jones blessing should completely compensate for your loss of damage.
  • Alkaia - Harshlands
    Alkaia - Harshlands Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    forumalt wrote: »
    I don't personally like 'leeching' off friends.

    Well if you got a group of friends I dont really call it "leech" if you aint using claws.

    And as for using vit, I really feel that even with pure dex I need more. And you feel the diffrence when you fight against sins, bms and other archers.
    So its not only about total damage lost, its about the missing accuracy and evasion as well.
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Revised gear updated in main post. Comments still welcome.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Alkaia - Harshlands wrote: »
    Well if you got a group of friends I dont really call it "leech" if you aint using claws.

    And as for using vit, I really feel that even with pure dex I need more. And you feel the diffrence when you fight against sins, bms and other archers.
    So its not only about total damage lost, its about the missing accuracy and evasion as well.

    gorenox vanities require 22 more str than warsoul helmet, and you get another 5~6 from the helm, if you wore 2 bands of heavens jail you will need at maximum 5 additional strength over what you need to equip the helmet. the only reason not get vanities is because your lazy, 5 vit or dex will not make any difference in survivability or damage, while making you archer much more desirable for TT and nirvana. dont spout off any BS about being pure bow and being true to your class, thats lazy talk.

    it doesnt make much difference at 93, at 100, your friends will be squadding with people that are more effective, and will be "busy" a lot more.
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  • Alkaia - Harshlands
    Alkaia - Harshlands Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    gorenox vanities require 22 more str than warsoul helmet, and you get another 5~6 from the helm, if you wore 2 bands of heavens jail you will need at maximum 5 additional strength over what you need to equip the helmet. the only reason not get vanities is because your lazy, 5 vit or dex will not make any difference in survivability or damage, while making you archer much more desirable for TT and nirvana. dont spout off any BS about being pure bow and being true to your class, thats lazy talk.

    it doesnt make much difference at 93, at 100, your friends will be squadding with people that are more effective, and will be "busy" a lot more.

    You missed my point.
    Using fist is nice and all, and if it doesnt require too much changes then go for it.
    But if you putting 50 points at vit, and another 20 points on str, you lose 70 dex points who does eventually make a diffrence.
    And its not one of those comments staying true to my class. He/she mentioned that he/she wants to pvp eventually, and my guess it aint going to happend with fc gold fist.

    Now if you want to make your char more desirable for any instance you will use -0.1 claws/fists and not -0.05. Plus you will add the lunar cape.

    This build talking about end game at low cost.
    Low cost + aps = doesnt work quite well.
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Alkaia - Harshlands wrote: »
    You missed my point.
    Using fist is nice and all, and if it doesnt require too much changes then go for it.
    But if you putting 50 points at vit, and another 20 points on str, you lose 70 dex points who does eventually make a diffrence.
    And its not one of those comments staying true to my class. He/she mentioned that he/she wants to pvp eventually, and my guess it aint going to happend with fc gold fist.

    Now if you want to make your char more desirable for any instance you will use -0.1 claws/fists and not -0.05. Plus you will add the lunar cape.

    This build talking about end game at low cost.
    Low cost + aps = doesnt work quite well.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=915992

    tl;dr GV > Deicides 86.2% of the time

    I'll have -0.45 interval for low cost with GV. That's 3.57APS on PWCalc, which I would assume rounds down to 3.33, which is 5APS sparked equating to perma-spark. More would be handy but there are diminishing returns past the point of being permanently sparked.

    I think. I've never actually experienced any of this, for now it's all theoretical.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Revised gear updated in main post. Comments still welcome.

    Replace mold cape with Lunar or Cloudcharger and you're golden, imo.b:bye
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I would assume that Lunar has its cool 40M price tag due to its interval. This being the case, what's the average price for Cloudcharger... and while I'm on the topic, do I really need more physical resistance? b:chuckle
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Not sure about HT but I guess a cloud charger is almost the same price as a LG cape.

    Also just a suggestion....You could try looking into +STR tomes which might require you to put in less points in your base STR. I have STR+15 tome and DEX+15 tome which I keep switching between when using fists and bow respectively.

    Below are the two builds I have (keeping the exact same buffs as you)

    Bow: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=6b2ac76830fb9795

    Fists: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=37942a132e09b3d4 <--- With GVs, without spark

    I know its not pro compared to the others (slowly improving it though) but it works for me.
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I would assume that Lunar has its cool 40M price tag due to its interval. This being the case, what's the average price for Cloudcharger... and while I'm on the topic, do I really need more physical resistance? b:chuckle

    On Dreamweaver, the Wings of Cloudcharger cape is 55mil. Energetic Robe:Lunar Glade is 60milish here atm...lack of pack sales ><

    Either is nice, but it depends on your preference, really. I personally like the Cloudcharger cape because it's auto 4 sockets, has amazing stats, and I decided 3.33 sparked with fists is good enough to suit my PvE needs so the cape seemed superfluous. Based on your -interval wants and needs though, all your choice.

    Resistances...hm. Well, depends if you're PvP or PvE oriented. If you plan to mostly PvE in the future then higher resistances are definitely a boon to help better survive instance bosses. If you want to focus on PvP in the future...well, it's less important in my opinion. Since most classes one shot us our methods of survival include avoiding attacks and killing before the enemy gets a chance to retaliate. If you get hit in PvP, you're doing something wrong.b:chuckle
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • Ayanarae - Harshlands
    Ayanarae - Harshlands Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This is what I'd be looking at. I did my best to keep costs down as much as possible.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ca29775c205be6aa

    Critique? I know my defensive balance is out of whack and any wizard worth his salt that sneezes on me will cause me to evaporate, but I can't afford lunar rings. Any suggestions?

    I know its a bit over priced b:surrender but aim high and try for this http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0dd00461a4f75f5c or better, if you looking for a bow then Bow of the Demonhunter is fine with same stats as Deicide. I myself am currently looking at this exact set but +12. b:beatup

    Goodluck and happy gaming =)
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Ayanarae - Harshlands wrote: »
    I know its a bit over priced b:surrender but aim high and try for this http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0dd00461a4f75f5c or better, if you looking for a bow then Bow of the Demonhunter is fine with same stats as Deicide. I myself am currently looking at this exact set but +12. b:beatup

    Goodluck and happy gaming =)
    That's... not exactly optimized:
    Replace TT99 legs with R8 legs or Lunar Nirvana legs. R8 has better stats and costs less than TT99 legs.
    Restat 8 points from strength into dexterity, since Lionheart Belt gives +8 strength. Possibly more if you switch between Bands from Heaven's Jail for 5aps-ing, and Lunar/R8 for bow use.
    Garnet Gems or Drakeflames in the weapon instead of Primevals. They'll add far more damage than a mere 1% crit.
    Forest's Wisdom instead of Solar Flash Helm.

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