I found a calc :o

SlasherSin - Heavens Tear
SlasherSin - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
edited February 2011 in Blademaster
Sorry for all the threads b:surrender


I just wanted to post something I was playin around with in a calc I found for the game. Just keep in mind idr if the fist is refinable or not :x


http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=39afe87e37ad81aa
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  • Kaste - Sanctuary
    Kaste - Sanctuary Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Nice build, but I would never get Asura Neck + Belt, as if you refine it, you get evasion.
    This build is very similar, the one I would go for:

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b5aa56625b4ec15b
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    If you have interval tome, going LA anything is a waste... unless you're sage. b:bye
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Rank 8 fists? lol

    Get Lunar claws/TT100 fists or even G15 Nirvana fists/claws. LA sucks and it isn't needed for your build if you wanted to use decent fists. Other gear isn't that exceptional either...
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  • SlasherSin - Heavens Tear
    SlasherSin - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Nice build, but I would never get Asura Neck + Belt, as if you refine it, you get evasion.
    This build is very similar, the one I would go for:

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b5aa56625b4ec15b

    I see what you did. It does look better :o
    I think I'll go with what you suggested. The overall M.def and P.def does look a lot better compared to what I had in mine.

    Ty :3
  • Zolex - Lost City
    Zolex - Lost City Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Michael pls could u explain me why u say "If you have interval tome, going LA anything is a waste... unless you're sage". ( I dont want to comment, just curious on your build idea or why its not good) Ty
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    because its what other LC bm's told him

    that said any LA but wrist/boot is just bad
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  • Fist_Mama - Harshlands
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    why u using rank8 fist? and i sharding +1 def lvl is useless. also im pretty sure if u can afford def +2 stones and vit stones then shard ur cape with vit stones. also use the lunar nivana pants. you could have done alot better sharding like so http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=01f838a726c0fb92 with demon m marrow u have 14k m def and 15k p def which is good. also i replaced ur top with nirvana top you loss -.05 interval but you still are 5aps when sparked
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    LA armor + HA ornaments gives better pdef and mdef.

    HA armor and LA ornies gives more hp and evasion.

    HA armor and AA ornies gives better pdef and mdef, but you lose the -int bonus.

    Mikey is happy being 3.33>5.0 sparked endgame, giving up dps for more hp and pdef. My goal is 4.0 base>5.0 sparked since in pk, tw, and most of pve you can't take the time or waste the chi to spark and an extra hit a second helps. In the permaspark situation of bosses, both are equal.
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  • SlasherSin - Heavens Tear
    SlasherSin - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Is there anyway you can get 3.33 aps w/o a fist/claw with -.1 int on it o.O?
    Or is that not possibel :X?

    Fist_Mama: I kept switching between Lunar Fist and r8 fist, I noticed the r8 had a good amount more of dmg and I was planning to use it for PvP and not so much PvE....
    Also I like your calc o.o.....14k m.def 15k p.def seems like a little dreamy xD. Guess it would mean my BM wouldn't be a simple one-hit to all the glass cannons in the game b:sad


    Ohh >.< Soo hard to figure out which to work with :(
    I think I'll keep your's (Fist_Mama) as a possible way also, but any real reason you went with Lunar gear instead of TT?
  • Fist_Mama - Harshlands
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    SlasherSin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Is there anyway you can get 3.33 aps w/o a fist/claw with -.1 int on it o.O?
    Or is that not possibel :X?

    Fist_Mama: I kept switching between Lunar Fist and r8 fist, I noticed the r8 had a good amount more of dmg and I was planning to use it for PvP and not so much PvE....
    Also I like your calc o.o.....14k m.def 15k p.def seems like a little dreamy xD. Guess it would mean my BM wouldn't be a simple one-hit to all the glass cannons in the game b:sad


    Ohh >.< Soo hard to figure out which to work with :(
    I think I'll keep your's (Fist_Mama) as a possible way also, but any real reason you went with Lunar gear instead of TT?

    lunar glade nirvana gives more base pdef and mdef than TT nirvana allso the .10 interval will compensate your loss of dmg. to your question no it has to be a fist/claw with atleast 1 .05 mod on it.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    because its what other LC bm's told him

    that said any LA but wrist/boot is just bad

    Aww, it's not my fault you're poor in-game. Maybe if you're lucky you can afford more refines and a tome someday. Learn 2 farm? b:pleased

    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LA armor + HA ornaments gives better pdef and mdef.

    HA armor and LA ornies gives more hp and evasion.

    HA armor and AA ornies gives better pdef and mdef, but you lose the -int bonus.

    Mikey is happy being 3.33>5.0 sparked endgame, giving up dps for more hp and pdef. My goal is 4.0 base>5.0 sparked since in pk, tw, and most of pve you can't take the time or waste the chi to spark and an extra hit a second helps. In the permaspark situation of bosses, both are equal.

    Pure HA armor give better pdef, mdef AND hp. The mdef and the HP are more important.

    /inb4joshcjapostslifehuntingbuilds

    The difference between 3.33 and 4 base in PvP is beneficial against heavies, but you're gimping your mdef for it.

    If all you're concerned with is damage, your fail was not rolling a sin.
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    What is really sex in pvp is roar of the pride + wind shield oh that stuff is just HAWT HAWT
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »
    why u using rank8 fist? and i sharding +1 def lvl is useless. also im pretty sure if u can afford def +2 stones and vit stones then shard ur cape with vit stones. also use the lunar nivana pants. you could have done alot better sharding like so http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=01f838a726c0fb92 with demon m marrow u have 14k m def and 15k p def which is good. also i replaced ur top with nirvana top you loss -.05 interval but you still are 5aps when sparked
    If you're gonna do that, why not just go for

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e425560a45b7b766



    Since the lionheart belt serves no purpose as it's the only piece of lionheart gear you have equipped.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Since the lionheart belt serves no purpose as it's the only piece of lionheart gear you have equipped.

    You could just ditch the LA completely unless you got a sin/archer that has those gears ready.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Pure HA armor give better pdef, mdef AND hp. The mdef and the HP are more important.

    /inb4joshcjapostslifehuntingbuilds

    The difference between 3.33 and 4 base in PvP is beneficial against heavies, but you're gimping your mdef for it.

    If all you're concerned with is damage, your fail was not rolling a sin.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=33482e4584b294c0 HA Build.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=06732c07bbde9b8f LA/HA Build.

    Neither of them are the most ideal equipment but play with the refines on the ornies. At +0 refines LA/HA build has more mdef and HA has more pdef, at +12 refines it switches and LA/HA has more pdef and HA build has more mdef. HA consistently has more hp, HA/LA consistently has better damage. Statements like "Pure HA armor give better pdef, mdef AND hp" are just wrong...

    Since most of us don't have endgame gear with +0 refines, and most of us don't have endgame gear with +12 refines, the defense difference is negligible. HA/LA gives more defense versaitily with ornie changes while keeping damage consistent.

    And why would I be that concerned with mdef when fighting a HA oponent? I just want them dead, and most barbs aren't going to start casting elements at me. I can understand in a TW situation worrying about fighting a barb and getting ranged by a caster, but that's kind of a screwed situation either way and I'd rather kill the barb faster to focus on 1 person.
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  • Fist_Mama - Harshlands
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If you're gonna do that, why not just go for

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e425560a45b7b766



    Since the lionheart belt serves no purpose as it's the only piece of lionheart gear you have equipped.

    sorry i switched it but didnt save it =/ i orginally had that up there
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And why would I be that concerned with mdef when fighting a HA oponent? I just want them dead, and most barbs aren't going to start casting elements at me. I can understand in a TW situation worrying about fighting a barb and getting ranged by a caster, but that's kind of a screwed situation either way and I'd rather kill the barb faster to focus on 1 person.

    Obviously you don't pvp or tw. Why are you trying to explain pvp fiction to me?

    In your example you LOSE 1300 pdef yet only gain 140 mdef. How is that not gimping your defenses?

    Of course you don't need mdef dueling HA opponents.... well until Earthguard come out. PvP is not dueling. PvP isn't usually 1v1. If you need pdef, you have this skill called physical marrow.

    Seriously... BMs get all defensive because they can't afford interval tome. Geez. Farm it, cash shop it or **** already.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Obviously you don't pvp or tw. Why are you trying to explain pvp fiction to me?

    In your example you LOSE 1300 pdef yet only gain 140 mdef. How is that not gimping your defenses?

    Of course you don't need mdef dueling HA opponents.... well until Earthguard come out. PvP is not dueling. PvP isn't usually 1v1. If you need pdef, you have this skill called physical marrow.

    Seriously... BMs get all defensive because they can't afford interval tome. Geez. Farm it, cash shop it or **** already.

    *points to thread where everything you just said was mathmaticly disproved*...*points to endgame calcs of both builds that you blatently ignored*

    math > "the LC pro's"

    also you forgot to refine your ornaments saku >.>
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  • StudmuffinIX - Archosaur
    StudmuffinIX - Archosaur Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ok idk why everyone sacrifices so much defense when u can easily get 5 aps and have ur defense extremly high...

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4f12e943f0b298aa <
    unbuffed +10 armor, +12 wep
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b56171193df5a50d <
    unbuffed +12 everything
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=67f20f282624af86 <
    fully buffed +12 omg b:dirty
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3ddf87d292a70c38 <---TW geared (axes) stilll mfing smexy XD

    btw thats a 5 aps BM with over 20K hp, over 20k pdef, over 15k magic def (non marrowed).

    thats extremly expensive.... speacially all the +12 gear but if anything +10 everything but the wep and the magic and pdef is still extremly high... oh and the reason LA is bad is because u get hit hard by both magic and non magic attacks.


    its OP i know, question is....

    HOW DEEP IS YOUR WALLET :D
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If you're gonna do that, why not just go for

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e425560a45b7b766



    Since the lionheart belt serves no purpose as it's the only piece of lionheart gear you have equipped.

    Me think me's make this me end-game goal....
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *points to thread where everything you just said was mathmaticly disproved*...*points to endgame calcs of both builds that you blatently ignored*

    Your new nickname should be... YulkHunting.

    math > "the LC pro's"

    also you forgot to refine your ornaments saku >.>

    Funny, I've asked people I know on your server who you are.

    You don't pvp. You don't tw. You're not even good at pve.

    Three different people either said you're nobody or a non-factor.

    lol.

    Your opinion = meaningless.

    Please post more fantasy builds.

    b:bye
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  • StudmuffinIX - Archosaur
    StudmuffinIX - Archosaur Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Your new nickname should be... YulkHunting.




    Funny, I've asked people I know on your server who you are.

    You don't pvp. You don't tw. You're not even good at pve.

    Three different people either said you're nobody or a non-factor.

    lol.

    Your opinion = meaningless.

    Please post more fantasy builds.

    b:bye


    Lols..... Anyways just go with the one I gave since all the other ones I saw were kinda fail tbh, although mine is expensive........
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Your new nickname should be... YulkHunting.




    Funny, I've asked people I know on your server who you are.

    You don't pvp. You don't tw. You're not even good at pve.

    Three different people either said you're nobody or a non-factor.

    lol.

    Your opinion = meaningless.

    Please post more fantasy builds.

    b:bye

    and for all this you still cannot back your posts with math

    b:chuckle
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Funny, I've asked people I know on your server who you are.

    You don't pvp. You don't tw. You're not even good at pve.

    Three different people either said you're nobody or a non-factor.

    Being a factor on Sanct is hard but...

    From what I've seen, he is a decent BM. Nowadays most people don't even know how to stun lock. His gears aren't exceptional but still better than most BMs as normal set is TT99 boots + wrists, lunar cape and +5 deicides and that's it. I can't even think of that many factor BMs on Sanct. I've never been a factor on PWI but before that I was somewhat known TW BM.

    I don't even know why I am "defending" someone on the forums lol.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Your new nickname should be... YulkHunting.




    Funny, I've asked people I know on your server who you are.

    You don't pvp. You don't tw. You're not even good at pve.

    Three different people either said you're nobody or a non-factor.

    lol.

    Your opinion = meaningless.

    Please post more fantasy builds.

    b:bye


    Well, guess that proves you know at least 3 people. You win.

    Both builds are viable end game. The LA/HA build is more damage oriented and still gives very decent defense. The HA only build is more defense oriented but the defense difference is only about 1% with a nice hp boost.

    I chose the hybrid build, because just like people argue which is better, axe/vit or fist build, I find it better to survive when things die quicker rather than when I have more hp.

    I also have backed up my build with mathematics and calcs. You have just flamed, reposted over and over, and trolled. I'm not arguing with you anyfurther until you can form an argument.

    At least when Yulk trolled he had the deceny to be ignorant at level 54. You are yulking these forums still ignorant at 102. bye. b:bye
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well, guess that proves you know at least 3 people. You win.

    Both builds are viable end game. The LA/HA build is more damage oriented and still gives very decent defense. The HA only build is more defense oriented but the defense difference is only about 1% with a nice hp boost.

    I chose the hybrid build, because just like people argue which is better, axe/vit or fist build, I find it better to survive when things die quicker rather than when I have more hp.

    I also have backed up my build with mathematics and calcs. You have just flamed, reposted over and over, and trolled. I'm not arguing with you anyfurther until you can form an argument.

    At least when Yulk trolled he had the deceny to be ignorant at level 54. You are yulking these forums still ignorant at 102. bye. b:bye

    its about 2% with hp and 4% with def level 15% with int+rank 9 chestbelt

    that aside sanc bm's unite ^_^
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I knew josh and michael would be fighting in here. It's funny seeing people argue over a build thats strengths are in separate areas. You guys are trying to compare apples and oranges.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Devoted - Lost City wrote: »
    I knew josh and michael would be fighting in here. It's funny seeing people argue over a build thats strengths are in separate areas. You guys are trying to compare apples and oranges.

    eh i'm stateing its balanced...he's saying that only HA will ever be good...

    its more like "the builds strengths are in different areas"..."NO U!!!"
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    and for all this you still cannot back your posts with math

    b:chuckle

    Here's my current build. Keep the refines. Switch me to LA hybrid and improve me.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9fdda7c7a1c3413f

    By improve I mean improve at least 2 of the following, hp/pdef/mdef without severely affecting the 3rd.

    Gogogo.

    b:bye
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Here's my current build. Keep the refines. Switch me to LA hybrid and improve me.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9fdda7c7a1c3413f

    By improve I mean improve at least 2 of the following, hp/pdef/mdef without severely affecting the 3rd.

    Gogogo.

    b:bye

    I think I just gagged a little x.x

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