Discussion: Safety Lock

TrueJustice - Harshlands
TrueJustice - Harshlands Posts: 32 Arc User
edited January 2011 in General Discussion
Remove safety lock or disable pvp during safety lock so people drop more?
Would players who can't afford a dozen Guardian Scrolls per day stop with pvp?

I would like to see -> disable pvp during safety lock, but make Guardian Scrolls alot cheaper.

What do you think?
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Are you farming players for profit or something?
  • Sjuggs - Lost City
    Sjuggs - Lost City Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Na, only heavy cash shoppers would pvp. Shattering system is already enough.
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    They should just do away with SL entirely. No one uses it for the purpose intended.
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  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    TrueJustice - Harshlands wrote: »
    Remove safety lock or disable pvp during safety lock so people drop more?
    Would players who can't afford a dozen Guardian Scrolls per day stop with pvp?

    I would like to see -> disable pvp during safety lock, but make Guardian Scrolls alot cheaper.

    What do you think?

    bluename while safetylock is active?

    ->WELCOME TO HARSHLANDS PWIs NEWEST PVE SERVER b:chuckle

    people will just bind their equipt and there ya go no drops anymore maybe a few pots thats all...
    i am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss
  • TrueJustice - Harshlands
    TrueJustice - Harshlands Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    They should just do away with SL entirely. No one uses it for the purpose intended.


    The first useful comment <3
    I'm trying to start a discussion but people like janus ruin it, of course.

    Safety lock is not supposed to replace guardian scrolls.
  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    TrueJustice - Harshlands wrote: »
    The first useful comment <3
    I'm trying to start a discussion but people like janus ruin it, of course.

    Safety lock is not supposed to replace guardian scrolls.

    if they make them available ingame for 50k like ressurection scroll = perfect coinsink
    i am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Remove SL and the chance of dropping anything when you're pink or white.
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  • Must - Lost City
    Must - Lost City Posts: 555 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    TrueJustice - Harshlands wrote: »
    The first useful comment <3
    I'm trying to start a discussion but people like janus ruin it, of course.

    Safety lock is not supposed to replace guardian scrolls.

    This would result on more bound equipments so less offer therefore more expensive gear...

    Like frost weapons/ TT90 greens gears etc etc..

    I personally dont care al li got on my sin/barb is bound but i dont aggre for that in above and will be less ppl pking too so defently a no....
  • Sjuggs - Lost City
    Sjuggs - Lost City Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    If only bound gear didnt shatter then I wouldnt care about SL. b:pleased

    and this
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Remove SL and the chance of dropping anything when you're pink or white.
  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »
    if they make them available ingame for 50k like ressurection scroll = perfect coinsink

    I approve of this post
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  • Ruxal - Harshlands
    Ruxal - Harshlands Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    PvP is a toss up for me in this game. Don't take this as a qq because it is not its just that I have been a part of other mmos with much better pvp systems (so why am I here? cause PWI has a decent combination of both PvE and PvP).

    So my points are as follows:

    1) Charms diminish the value of PvP because its a item not always easily available to everyone e.g. right now on harshlands a hp charm (plat) is roughly 2.5-3.5 mil. However in light of the greatly increased power of players they now do serve a useful purpose in terms of extending the length of time you can stay alive (genies offer a similar contribution to PvP).

    2) Safety lock. It promotes more PvP because more player will participate if they know they won't drop their gear. On the other hand it has created a carebear environment and one in which there is no real penalty for going red. Also the binding charm/doll/scroll markets have been on a decline.

    3) Assasins. There stealth is cool BUT in all other mmos stealth comes at an expense. So far having played a sin to 7x and Pvped with it up to 9x levels I see no drawbacks to stealth use. Furthermore there is almost always a class that can detect stealth, sure we have pots but its not like they are available at an npc (that I know of) and so detection is for about 80% of the server a waste of time.


    Now as I said its just my assessment and not a qq and that is because I still enjoy a good pk war and its too much fun for me to bother about the little things. You see most of those things except safety lock become non issues once you are in group pvp and that is the kind of PvP I enjoy most.
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    so basically put a coin sink in pvp? no ty, find other ways to get $$

    besides, that makes SL pointless; kill till all GAs are gone (or put them in bank) and then kill till he drops...
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I'm for it if GS/GAs can be bought from NPC for like 25k each.
  • Naivety - Harshlands
    Naivety - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    IF it was made so you could only ever drop with hours, id agree with it, but otherwise no.

    I got sick of dropping whenever I defended myself, thats why I have a 1:30 SL and I relog even when im just grinding or w/e

    Paranoia would keep me from bothering retaliating and id simply have to let people bully me out of my grind or w/e

    No ****ing thanks.

    ---Oh, and no matter the cost, scrolls will cost too much. Unless theyre like 10k each, they cost too much to use until you are 100, and even then you cant really afford to spend 1mill on 20 PvP deaths.(Assuming the 50k someone mentioned).
  • TrueJustice - Harshlands
    TrueJustice - Harshlands Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Well people also pay 3mil for hp charms. If a bm with 7k hp dies 20 times, that's about 500k coins b:shocked
    If his charm ticks in pvp and he dies, that's 10k~ charm per death.
  • SeaCrit_Sin - Harshlands
    SeaCrit_Sin - Harshlands Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    First, let us define what the intended use of safety lock is. darthpanda16 - a PWI GM should be a reliable source.
    darthpanda16 wrote: »
    This is a feature that is used to help protect your account, because if people access your account, they could mess up your items, sell them, maybe buy stuff with your in-game money, or charge your account for ZEN, and a whole bunch of other havoc that can be caused if you left the game up, and you have room mates or family members that might take the opportunity to manipulate your account.

    This also helps to keep people out of your account if your account did get into someone else's control, you could guarantee yourself a set time frame to keep your account safe until later.

    Don't click on it, don't enter a time. :D



    More insight from our friend:
    darthpanda16 wrote: »
    The Safety Lock is there as a means of extra security in case your account information gets compromised, or you are afraid it might until you can login to play again.

    It gives you a warning. You have to enter in a time and then confirm it. It gives you two times to cancel it before the Safety Lock is turned on for whatever time you entered.

    I do not see this feature going away with this title.


    read for yourself @ http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=50071&highlight=Safety+Lock


    Admittedly, that post is rather old, but it clearly defines what the intended purpose of safety lock is. Pkers that use safety lock to avoid dropping items are simply exploiting a game mechanism to give themselves an advantage. According to TOS, this is a bannable offense.


    So.......b:chuckle ban hammer timeb:beatup b:puzzled


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  • Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear
    Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    As far as I know, they implemented the Gear Shatter thing so one COULD use Safety Lock for PVP, as when Safety Lock is engaged, your gear has a chance of shattering rather then Dropping and what not. Maybe I'm wrong, I'ma carebear, lol.
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  • Korrok - Harshlands
    Korrok - Harshlands Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    No SL = No PvP. Scrolls are way too expensive for most people to afford to burn that fast.

    Just remove SL and all penalties(red hours and white/pink drops) from PvP unless you're killing people more than 15-20 levels below you. Voila. People can PvP freely on PK servers vs people their own level, lowbie killers drop stuff like crazy, and everyone's happy.

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