Drop rate ?????

Dpicic - Harshlands
Dpicic - Harshlands Posts: 42 Arc User
edited January 2011 in General Discussion
ok...

85 mobs(Demonic Rogueknight) killed

drop:

element light = 2
element core = 7

potions = 2

coins = 20901


IMHO this is "wth" drop rate...b:angry

Is drop rate low or this is just bad luck ?b:surrender
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  • Naivety - Harshlands
    Naivety - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Dpicic - Harshlands wrote: »
    ok...

    85 mobs(Demonic Rogueknight) killed

    drop:

    element light = 2
    element core = 7

    potions = 2

    coins = 20901


    IMHO this is "wth" drop rate...b:angry

    Is drop rate low or this is just bad luck ?b:surrender

    This is the result of killing mobs tied to quests.

    By default, they just suck on drops. Try the Lithicrans at ancient wall.
  • Maragon - Dreamweaver
    Maragon - Dreamweaver Posts: 645 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    seems like it to me too but most of what you will get from people around is cool story bro and you have crappy luck kthnxbai.

    seems to me like everytime they have a 2x event it goes something like this.

    before 2x droprate is 1// 2x=2x//after 2x drop rate is .95
    next round .95// 1.9 //.9
    .9 // 1.8 // .85
    etc.

    i remember farming drops during the first 2x on huggies. nearly every mob dropped 2-4 items now its like 2x leave u still very lucky to get 3 items from a mob

    but yea that could jsut be me must have just had a terrible YEAR of luckb:chuckle
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  • Ruxal - Harshlands
    Ruxal - Harshlands Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    The drop rate gets turned on at 2x. Its the only mmo where the drop rate is an event.
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Without 2x it`s pretty much pointless to grind and it seems the drop rates are getting lower and lower as if not to allow players to become "too rich" b:angry
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Without 2x it`s pretty much pointless to grind and it seems the drop rates are getting lower and lower as if not to allow players to become "too rich" b:angry

    I was grinding a lot 1 year ago. And drop rate was MUCH better that is now. From 60 killed mobs I had at least 20 DQ items.

    They don't tell you they lower the drop. They just do it quietly.b:angry.
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  • Malkomod - Harshlands
    Malkomod - Harshlands Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I also noticed on few mobs that drop rate is lower than before.
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Sadface
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Used to grind on Thiefs long before PWI and I haven't noticed a drop rate nerf.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Drop rate on the same level mob drops as your level increases above theirs.

    Drop rate of higher level mobs is lower than lower level mobs.

    Unless you're comparing the drop rate on the same mob with the same level character, you're comparing apples to oranges.
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  • ZeaKuro - Raging Tide
    ZeaKuro - Raging Tide Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I was grinding a lot 1 year ago. And drop rate was MUCH better that is now. From 60 killed mobs I had at least 20 DQ items.

    They don't tell you they lower the drop. They just do it quietly.b:angry.

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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ZeaKuro - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Minor localization changes.

    Exactly.b:angry
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  • Ruxal - Harshlands
    Ruxal - Harshlands Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    lol so little means so much lol.
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I was grinding a lot 1 year ago. And drop rate was MUCH better that is now. From 60 killed mobs I had at least 20 DQ items.

    They don't tell you they lower the drop. They just do it quietly.b:angry.
    You don't even play now, nor have you in the last 6+ months. Let's find someone more qualified to make these assertions. Oh wait, you just like to whine and do nothing else.

    Over a year ago I was grinding at spiders, firebaths, death knights, array guards, and phantom of grudges. Then, and still now, OHT mobs give better drop rates. On the world map, lower levels get more DQ drops, and higher level areas get less DQ drops. There's no novelty to this whatsoever except to people either with amnesia or just started playing the game.

    This is, of course, yet another occasion of people complaining of drops following a 2x because of expected drop rates vs. real ones. As per every single time this happens, it's like clockwork.
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    How many times server count drop rate ?

    1

    Drop rate of severals items

    0: 78.3012%

    1: 16.2741%

    2: 4.3398%

    3: 1.0849%


    Element Core 48.4279%

    Element Light 17.6022%

    Perfect Health Potion 10.7729%

    Perfect Mystery Potion 7.0495%

    so if u kill 10,000 mobs:

    7,800 wont drop anything
    1,600 will drop 1
    400 will drop 2
    100 will drop 3

    so u will get 2,700 drops
    those 2,700 drop will be:
    1,296 cores
    459 lights
    270 hp pots
    189 mp pots
    18 other stuff


    back to your 85 mobs now (with red what u got):
    7 11 cores
    2 3 lights
    2 2 hp pots
    0 1 mana pot
    0 0.1 other

    about the coins:
    Money

    262 (+-196)

    assuming a normal distribution you should get 22,270 coins (u got 20,901)

    all in all: yes, u got less drops than the average expected; however, 85 mobs is a very small sample size to talk about drop nerf. not really in mood to calculate the chance to get the amount of drops u got but i think it's pretty high.

    thanks for posting the actual numbers; most people that make those kind of threads dont mention anything and they just post some QQ; they dont even record their drops


    sourse:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/mob/7073
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/drop
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    1 yr ago I opened map3. Income after 1h of grind there - 800k.

    I havent tried 1h now, but I tried 30 min = 250k. I don't think another 30 min would have given me 550k to get to that 800k mark.
    I was 100 then, I'm 100 now.
    Something has changed for sure since I'm making less coins in the same timeframe.
    Of course , I could make more with a gatherer, but in that case I can make double or tripple that amount duo-farming TT (Yeah, farming TT still brings nice coins if u know what to farm for).
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  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    1 yr ago I opened map3. Income after 1h of grind there - 800k.

    I havent tried 1h now, but I tried 30 min = 250k. I don't think another 30 min would have given me 550k to get to that 800k mark.
    I was 100 then, I'm 100 now.
    Something has changed for sure since I'm making less coins in the same timeframe.
    Of course , I could make more with a gatherer, but in that case I can make double or tripple that amount duo-farming TT (Yeah, farming TT still brings nice coins if u know what to farm for).

    did u calculate the dq npc price nerf? what about the cards?
  • sangodoc
    sangodoc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Without 2x it`s pretty much pointless to grind and it seems the drop rates are getting lower and lower as if not to allow players to become "too rich" b:angry
    "Seems" is the key word there. I have yet to see anyone post any actual evidence that drop rates are truly getting lower for anything (other than one or two specific examples.)

    Those who have checked the drop rates using older data straight from the game's database have not found any evidence of changes in the drop rates.

    Seriously folks, ThanosQRt has it exactly right. The drop rates for that particular mob are, and always have been, low, and since it's also somewhat random, you should expect it to be lower than that on occasion.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You don't even play now, nor have you in the last 6+ months. Let's find someone more qualified to make these assertions. Oh wait, you just like to whine and do nothing else.

    Over a year ago I was grinding at spiders, firebaths, death knights, array guards, and phantom of grudges. Then, and still now, OHT mobs give better drop rates. On the world map, lower levels get more DQ drops, and higher level areas get less DQ drops. There's no novelty to this whatsoever except to people either with amnesia or just started playing the game.

    This is, of course, yet another occasion of people complaining of drops following a 2x because of expected drop rates vs. real ones. As per every single time this happens, it's like clockwork.
    What's your point? According lot of threads about drops, the drop rate is significantly lower. You can write what you want but you not hide the truth.
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  • Dpicic - Harshlands
    Dpicic - Harshlands Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    hmmm....ok, I understand now... thx to thanos for explanation and to naivety for advice b:surrender
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  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I was grinding a lot 1 year ago. And drop rate was MUCH better that is now. From 60 killed mobs I had at least 20 DQ items.

    What mobs were you killing, level 20 things with very high drop rates? When I aoe spiders, I kill between 20-30 at a time,and get between 4-6 DQ items. That's how it's been for as long as I can remember.

    Check pwi database, and you'll see that the OP's drop rate is right in line with the database drop rate.
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What's your point? According lot of threads about drops, the drop rate is significantly lower. You can write what you want but you not hide the truth.
    Yeah, and a lot of threads from yore saying fist BM's were fail, as well as heavy armor venos.

    Also don't pay any attention to the posts in this very topic detailing the drop rate correlating to the drops cited by a poster here, just make sure to only pay attention to the threads that agree with you and your pre-concluded beliefs about PWI. You're just as predictable as the complaints after a 2x drop event is done claiming drops are nerfed. Just another person selectively finding a reason to make complaints on a forum for a game they haven't even played for 6+ months now yet can't move on from. /inb4nexttroll
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    You've been trolled by PWI b:cute

    quest mobs give sucky drops, especially at later levels. Now go buy some gold, we both know thats what they want you to do b:sin
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah, and a lot of threads from yore saying fist BM's were fail, as well as heavy armor venos.

    Also don't pay any attention to the posts in this very topic detailing the drop rate correlating to the drops cited by a poster here, just make sure to only pay attention to the threads that agree with you and your pre-concluded beliefs about PWI. You're just as predictable as the complaints after a 2x drop event is done claiming drops are nerfed. Just another person selectively finding a reason to make complaints on a forum for a game they haven't even played for 6+ months now yet can't move on from. /inb4nexttroll
    Are you nut? Show me 1!!!! my post where I'm saying fail heavy armor venos. I never played venos so I have no idea what's good for them. You liar as always OR prove it.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    What mobs were you killing, level 20 things with very high drop rates? When I aoe spiders, I kill between 20-30 at a time,and get between 4-6 DQ items. That's how it's been for as long as I can remember.

    Check pwi database, and you'll see that the OP's drop rate is right in line with the database drop rate.

    I was grinding mobs in heaven map. These flying monsters for reputation if I remember correctly. I don't remember the name.
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  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Are you nut? Show me 1!!!! my post where I'm saying fail heavy armor venos. I never played venos so I have no idea what's good for them. You liar as always OR prove it.

    reading comprehension , his point was just because there are lot of threads are a topic , does not make it right/correct, as those 2 examples he provides have been proven false
  • Yuji_Sakai - Harshlands
    Yuji_Sakai - Harshlands Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Are you nut? Show me 1!!!! my post where I'm saying fail heavy armor venos. I never played venos so I have no idea what's good for them. You liar as always OR prove it.

    yore =/= "your", "you're", "you"

    yore = "way back when", "the distant past", "times of old"
  • __Kikyo__ - Lost City
    __Kikyo__ - Lost City Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    think its all luck,i do quests mobs and i got luckey on like the 10th mob got a secret letterb:cool sold it for 4mill.After that i get about 5 mill of dq about a day worth :P cuz i sell it and not npc it.But no time for farming dq cuz of frostb:tired

    cool stoy bro myself
  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I was grinding mobs in heaven map. These flying monsters for reputation if I remember correctly. I don't remember the name.

    Mumintroll, my point is....you're mistaken. Maybe they've nerfed drop rates in instances, I can't really say. However, I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that grinding regular mobs has been the same.

    You say you were grinding heaven....do you really think they would nerf drop rate for heaven mobs, but not normal world mobs? That does not make any sense, whatsoever.

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