Fox Form APS?

Miss_Nikko - Lost City

Just wondering if it's possible to make a Veno with high aps (Fox Form user only), I know it's the new thing that most but not all BM's and Sin are trying to achieve.

But would it help a Fox Form Veno that goes HA if done at a higer lv with high APS?

Just wondering if this could help this type of Veno?

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Magical weapons don't get -interval, and venos don't get a rank top with -interval, so according to something Solandri posted a while back the best APS you can get in foxform (barring glitching into foxform with claws/fists) is 2 point something.

Laranda - Heavens Tear

It caps out at 2-2.22 aps. But to get 2.22, you'd need to use an evasion necky and belt or LA for gloves/boots.

The only way I know to get faster aps involves using fists/claws which will prevent access to foxform.

tweakz

If you want aps; roll a bm, sin, or barb.

Miss_Nikko - Lost City

tweakz wrote: »

If you want aps; roll a bm, sin, or barb.

I was just wondering not saying i'm going to attempt this. Just pondering about it so no need for the obvious remark of rolling another class if i wanted to achieve high APS.

Ty for the comments ^_^v

Laranda - Heavens Tear

If you want to fight in fox form, any amount of -int will help. You might not need alot to pull off some decent effects. You'd only need 3 items to get a r8/r9 pataka up to the same speed as other magic weapons. Also, you'd only need -0.1 int to get most magic weapons to fist's base speed.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

2.2 aps fox is fun to watch

bouncy bouncy b:cute

Jadsia - Lost City

tweakz wrote: »

If you want aps; roll a bm, sin, or barb.

And this coming from one who claims to be on a APS veno. LOL and GTFO you idiot.

tweakz

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

And this coming from one who claims to be on a APS veno. LOL and GTFO you idiot.

Never claimed that, it's all you creating rumors buttwhipe.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

the last set of calculations I saw gave even a fist-fox veno slightly less than BM damage.

Saying that, -int is like -channel for melee, so I can imagine loving it to bits if I used foxform more often.

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Saying that, -int is like -channel for melee, so I can imagine loving it to bits if I used foxform more often.

i wish -chan had as great a relative benefit for casters as -int does for melee. the math's pretty clear that it doesn't, though, unfortunately.

(there's no melee equivalent of casting time, nor cooldowns; -int affects directly the main and primary thing that limits melee attack rate. -chan isn't nearly as impact-ful for casters, and can't be, the way casters' attacks function.)

Maiira - Sanctuary

ppl need to read more than the first page of posts before making a new post, anyways. this is my current build, can use fist and mag wep.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=92512f13dd41847e

Regenbogen - Lost City

Maiira - Sanctuary wrote: »

ppl need to read more than the first page of posts before making a new post, anyways. this is my current build, can use fist and mag wep.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=92512f13dd41847e

patk sux...
matk obviously sux too...
light armor...
whats the point of that build, being mediocre at everything?

venomancers are granted with with a branch of totally pointless skills dph&dps wise...

b:surrender

Queenofpower - Dreamweaver

Mediocore is a word u simply cannot use to describe that build lol....look at the sharding and combine that with the OP Veno spark . Attack will be good. but mdef looks a bit scary though

Maiira - Sanctuary

lol that gear setup is purely for pve and with it i outdamage bm's with the same weapon. let me know when another veno... besides a r9/cashshopped veno can do over 300k dps on a fcc boss

"patk sux...
matk obviously sux too...
light armor...
whats the point of that build, being mediocre at everything?

venomancers are granted with with a branch of totally pointless skills dph&dps wise..."

as far as skillwise you need to learn how to use them and u can increase your dps by alot. small chances for big stuff. with 27% crit rate with pvp gear on when i spark thats a big chance to hit close to 15k on HA targets, and guaranteed 2shot with br on a archer with up to 8k hp. none of this including pet damage. i ask some1 here.

"Mediocore is a word u simply cannot use to describe that build lol....look at the sharding and combine that with the OP Veno spark . Attack will be good. but mdef looks a bit scary though"

thankyou for the compliment, as far as mdef. if a wizzie with a +12 wep comes for u, it dont rly matter what you do, ur not likely to last long if they get element of surprise. find ways to make ur advantages bigger, make up for your weaknesses, and find ways around the obstacles in your way.

my build is made purely for damage, while still being able to maintain a fun time and enjoy being my veno, without having to fully gear 2 chars to have a bm for grinding

sig contains my main stats in pvp gear

venos can do anything and succeed if the player is smart enough to know how to properly play the build that they have chosen, play the class the way you like to and learn how to cope with the disadvantages you set for yourself.

tweakz

Looks incredible for 1-1 dps, but people should consider what they'll be missing if jumping on the 4.0 bandwagon. AoE will suck, Blood Paint doesn't work for veno, and APS requires you to melee putting you in short range AoEs. Switching between fox and caster won't be as simple a task, or no Fox pdef booster for those close range AoE's or melee from aggro steals. Rank will be far less valuable. Gimped pet healing could reduce your independence.

I don't think you're going to be soloing FF, be as successful in Rebirth, or be as useful in Warsong like other 5aps can be.

I'm probably wrong about some things, but veno has to give up a lot to be 5aps while other classes don't.

Maiira - Sanctuary

mmm true, when you take on any form of exotic build you weaken certain aspects, though none of the things being weakened has in any way impaired my ability to perform those functions.