Sutra

Migad - Raging Tide

Why does the sutra skill say it removes all channeling for six seconds when it really reduces by 70% to 80%. Plus its not really for the full six seconds because of lag. Then the dev's had to make it worse by giving the psychics "tide spirit" b:angry. Now theres nothing special about being a wizard. They should either make sutra longer, make it completely remove channeling, or add the spark effect like in tide spirit.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Migad - Raging Tide wrote: »

Why does the sutra skill say it removes all channeling for six seconds when it really reduces by 70% to 80%. Plus its not really for the full six seconds because of lag. Then the dev's had to make it worse by giving the psychics "tide spirit" b:angry. Now theres nothing special about being a wizard. They should either make sutra longer, make it completely remove channeling, or add the spark effect like in tide spirit.

It's problem. Also Sutra has animation + lag so is a lot less than 6s.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Migad - Raging Tide wrote: »

Why does the sutra skill say it removes all channeling for six seconds when it really reduces by 70% to 80%. Plus its not really for the full six seconds because of lag. Then the dev's had to make it worse by giving the psychics "tide spirit" b:angry. Now theres nothing special about being a wizard. They should either make sutra longer, make it completely remove channeling, or add the spark effect like in tide spirit.

it should be ~90% chan.

tide spirit is less; and as far as i know we dont have any long channeling times anyway
so ur gain is a lot more. and guess what: we have lag too!

try making sutra macros

oh, and i never realized that wizard = sutra.

/inb4morepsyhate

Adroit - Lost City

Luckily sutra isn't the only thing we are good for. Take a look at our ults, blink, 3 element trees (only class that can benefit from genie spark), etc.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

*looks at the demon quaff in my bank*

i laugh so damn hard when i see a hell wizzie sutra

kinda sucks that sutra reduces your chan to -90% no matter what massive diminished returns for sages

prof

i thought i posted this before? sutra removes then entire 100% of channeling, just no cast. it negates any channeling gear you're already wielding, so the cast reduction from them is nulled.

normal channeling gear removes a small percentage of the cast time for a skill, and the amount of cast removed is more noticable the more channeling you get.

when i 3fury(dark), i'm faster than sutra

Adroit - Lost City

prof wrote: »

i thought i posted this before? sutra removes then entire 100% of channeling, just no cast. it negates any channeling gear you're already wielding, so the cast reduction from them is nulled.

normal channeling gear removes a small percentage of the cast time for a skill, and the amount of cast removed is more noticable the more channeling you get.

when i 3fury(dark), i'm faster than sutra

I'm not sure I totally buy that. I have been interrupted in sutra.. and it was my understanding that you can only be interrupted during the channeling time of a skill. From what I hear, eye of observation shows sutra as -90% channeling, although I haven't tested this myself. I've also yet to see cast time reduced in anything but private servers. Do you have anything to show for your claims?

prof

I've never used or looked into the eye, so I can't really comment on that at all. though I can vouche and say that I too have been interrupted during sutra, but the rarity of it makes me believe that it's from that very short time that you still have to channel a skill(it's never full gone, if you noticed. the little loading bar is always there). unlucky on our part, luck on theirs.

I can't post a video of myself casting because my computer is ****, and browing youtube is lowering my iq.. so i don't know how to help you there. find a mage in lost city with over 40%, you can see the difference.

as for anything to show, i guess not lol

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver

I also got stunned several times when i used sutra in duels and i guess the main reason is that the cast time of the spells isnt reduced and channeling is only -90% or something like that. So the sad truth is if a physical attacker like a fist bm or archer hits you with an arrow the chance to interrupt your "channeling" is high and it looks like the archer doesnt have to hit during the tiny channeling sequence but just hit you to reach the effect. This really sux because after an archer interrupts 1 of my casts im screwed because until my next attack hits him i took like 4 arrows -.-

greetz harm0wnie

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

prof wrote: »

i thought i posted this before? sutra removes then entire 100% of channeling, just no cast. it negates any channeling gear you're already wielding, so the cast reduction from them is nulled.

normal channeling gear removes a small percentage of the cast time for a skill, and the amount of cast removed is more noticable the more channeling you get.

when i 3fury(dark), i'm faster than sutra

OMG. Don't post pls anymore, because almost every your post is BS like Everest. Sutra doesn't remove channeling time to 0. And never did.
It can be clearly visible when killing boss with reducing channeling speed debuff. You can see there, that sutra doesn't remove channeling time to 0!!! Also You can be interrupted in sutra. If would be zero this option wouldn't be possible. Sutra just speed up channeling NOT REMOVING it. I also think that is around ~90%.
Again. You have no knowledge how game works. You just proved it.

prof

you know what you see while you're using sutra? do you? no, i don't think you do, reject. you see, in what appears to be a 1/10th of a second, the charge time. that's the channeling part. as uncommon as it is, that can still be interrupted. however, just like my post says, it does not remove the cast of the skill.

i'm assuming you don't know the difference between the two yet.

"OMG. Don't post pls anymore, because almost every your post is BS. You have no knowledge how game works."

I cut out the 'you just proved it' part, because you proved a long time ago that you have no idea how this game or this class works.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

prof wrote: »

you know what you see while you're using sutra? do you? no, i don't think you do, reject. you see, in what appears to be a 1/10th of a second, the charge time. that's the channeling part. as uncommon as it is, that can still be interrupted. however, just like my post says, it does not remove the cast of the skill.

i'm assuming you don't know the difference between the two yet.

"OMG. Don't post pls anymore, because almost every your post is BS. You have no knowledge how game works."

I cut out the 'you just proved it' part, because you proved a long time ago that you have no idea how this game or this class works.

So you telling that we have charging time, channeling time and casting time? What about some relativistic time? Or maybe another few times as well.b:chuckle
You just trying to defend your stupidity so you coming with time which you made yourself.

threepointone

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So you telling that we have charging time, channeling time and casting time? What about some relativistic time? Or maybe another few times as well.b:chuckle
You just trying to defend your stupidity so you coming with time which you made yourself.

He said in his post that "Charge time" was Chanelling time.

prof

to be fair, i shouldn't have said charge. our 'emberstorm' is a skill that is charged, not channelled. i was merely trying to relate channeling to a different action to put into perspective for those who don't know what it is, which i made rather clear in my post. b:embarrass

Ursa - Dreamweaver

you're right prof, but please, for the love of god, PWI version of this game is out for almost 3 years, start using the god damn names from this game not PW-MY/PH. Get out of stone age please, 90% of the readers of your posts have no friggin idea what dark/3fury means unless they played MY or any kind of private/fake versions.

NonameWiz - Sanctuary

I'm still in the dark, alone in the dark

Galox - Heavens Tear

Tbh I think it's his/(her?) way of getting us to remember who's been here longest, as that seems to be a thing what quite a few people throw around to boast about there..Intellect?

Anyway, as I've said in another thread, Sutra is an amazing skill, but I'd like to see something added to it. Perhaps increase the Duration to 8 seconds, or/and add an effect which grants Immunity to Stun, Sleep or Freeze for 10 seconds.

prof

I still play the malaysian version of pw, far more than pwi. it's merely a habbit. if you haven't noticed, i try to use the pwi terms: channel, emberstorm, vigour - chant, firestorm, chi. i'm sure you're all very well acquainted with the terms i use by now, i don't see why it's still such a struggle.

Regenbogen - Lost City

damn got my cultivation done, learned lv5 quaff and sutra, thought of a wtfpwned macro of sutra+5skills which could be done under 6sec and then...

doesn't work...right after sutra the macro stops...b:infuriated

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

damn got my cultivation done, learned lv5 quaff and sutra, thought of a wtfpwned macro of sutra+5skills which could be done under 6sec and then...

doesn't work...right after sutra the macro stops...b:infuriated

Yep. They didn't fix fo YEARS!!!

Evanera - Heavens Tear

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Again. You have no knowledge how game works. You just proved it.

Says the wizard with 5k HP that another wizard can't one shot them .....

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Sutra is fine because
1) it does what it says, it gets rid of all channeling.
2) no everyone has lag like you do

Which means that if they make it longer, wizards with nice computers will be that much more OP

Adroit - Lost City

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sutra is fine because
1) it does what it says, it gets rid of all channeling.
2) no everyone has lag like you do

Which means that if they make it longer, wizards with nice computers will be that much more OP

I'm pretty sure it reduces channeling by 90%. I've heard that is what it shows with eyes of observation.. and I've been interrupted during sutra.. which suggests there is still a very small amount of channeling.

Evanera - Heavens Tear

Tested a bit with my friend, and it's also evident when stunning mobs. You can't stun/cancel cast time. So if you get interupted when using a skill while under the Sutra effect, then yes, it does have slight channeling time still.

Regenbogen - Lost City

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Tested a bit with my friend, and it's also evident when stunning mobs. You can't stun/cancel cast time. So if you get interupted when using a skill while under the Sutra effect, then yes, it does have slight channeling time still.

try if it takes longer when under increased channel debuff...

might sutra cancel, sage bids cancel, wtf ownage be possible? b:avoid