Condensed Thorn on Bm's Phys Marrow

Zilena - Harshlands

I've always been curious to know this since I myself do not have condensed thorn, but is the damage significantly noticeable and greater when condensed thorn is used on a Physical Marrowed BM? Or is there barely a difference at all if you were to hit a bm with normal hits? And no, i'm too lazy to look for another thread explaining this.

Anyways, explainn.

Ninja_Dagger - Dreamweaver

condensed thorn dont stack with demon spark soo if ur gonna spark up dont use it but if ur unsparked its mage dmg on top of ur phys dmg... and the BM gonna have next to no mage def sooo would probably make you hit way higher

Okeano - Harshlands

The amount of water damage it adds is very small, 50% weapon damage worth. At 100, you should have 430-450 DEX, so each of your normal hits are doing about 4.5 times the weapon damage (for explanation on that, see here). So 50% weapon damage is only about 1/9 the amount of your normal hits, i.e. on a target with equal p def and m def, if you hit 900 phy, it'll add about 100 magic damage. That's if you don't spark of course. I would get it if you have spare coins, since some extra damage beats no extra damage, but it won't improve your damage by a large amount.

Zilena - Harshlands

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

The amount of water damage it adds is very small, 50% weapon damage worth. At 100, you should have 430-450 DEX, so each of your normal hits are doing about 4.5 times the weapon damage (for explanation on that, see here). So 50% weapon damage is only about 1/9 the amount of your normal hits, i.e. on a target with equal p def and m def, if you hit 900 phy, it'll add about 100 magic damage. That's if you don't spark of course. I would get it if you have spare coins, since some extra damage beats no extra damage, but it won't improve your damage by a large amount.

Alright cool, I guess i'll get it once I rack up more spirit just to test it out because of course 1v1 bms most of them turn on phys marrow so i'm curious to see that damage difference myself actually, haha.

Firefeng - Dreamweaver

Wouldn't it just make sense to rip them apart with magic genie skills in lieu of wasting coin on a useless skill?

Zilena - Harshlands

Firefeng - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wouldn't it just make sense to rip them apart with magic genie skills in lieu of wasting coin on a useless skill?

Personally, I wouldnt. I have two genies, one that is STR build for Occult and Tangling Mire, and another Genie for Bramble rage. Bramble rage just sucks up all of my genie energy just for one measly attack when I could be using occult ice and tangling mire to better my physical hits on my target. I just think in the long run = occult ice + tangling mire holds more worth than using all your genie energy on 1 genie skill in a pvp situation.

_Leif - Lost City

Ask a demon wiz to frost blade you then try it out for yourself.

Zilena - Harshlands wrote: »

Personally, I wouldnt. I have two genies, one that is STR build for Occult and Tangling Mire, and another Genie for Bramble rage. Bramble rage just sucks up all of my genie energy just for one measly attack when I could be using occult ice and tangling mire to better my physical hits on my target. I just think in the long run = occult ice + tangling mire holds more worth than using all your genie energy on 1 genie skill in a pvp situation.

You can oneshot a physical marrowed bm with bramble rage (subsea+emblem+crit). Not to mention aoeing into crowds of ppl is fun

chanchale

_Leif - Lost City wrote: »

Ask a demon wiz to frost blade you then try it out for yourself.



You can oneshot a physical marrowed bm with bramble rage (subsea+emblem+crit). Not to mention aoeing into crowds of ppl is fun

You can generally oneshot a phy marrowed bm with BR but not always..
i have a lvl 100 bm with 3k mag def even with phy marrow on with 13k hp..how would you one shot tht kinda bm? XD

Firefeng - Dreamweaver

Since when do (demon) BMs use physical marrow in PVP, anyway, when good ones can have 10k p.def/m.def with demon marrow magical?

Using marrow physical is asking to be one-shot by Genie skills for 99% of BMs.

Zilena - Harshlands

Firefeng - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Since when do (demon) BMs use physical marrow in PVP, anyway, when good ones can have 10k p.def/m.def with demon marrow magical?

Using marrow physical is asking to be one-shot by Genie skills for 99% of BMs.

Lol you know I dont wanna mention any names, but there was 3 bms I remember specifically that do this. Why? I have no idea.

StretchIt - Harshlands

Don't do it! antonyo and behedety reported me for hacking gamez after i hit der bramble rage and EAFHI;WEFI;AEWF;AEWFH them. You can always go for Thunderstorm, I think it's pretty ^_^

SaiIorMoon - Lost City

StretchIt - Harshlands wrote: »

Don't do it! antonyo and behedety reported me for hacking gamez after i hit der bramble rage and EAFHI;WEFI;AEWF;AEWFH them. You can always go for Thunderstorm, I think it's pretty ^_^

Are you wanting us to stretch what I think you mean? b:shy b:beatenup

Zilena - Harshlands

StretchIt - Harshlands wrote: »

Don't do it! antonyo and behedety reported me for hacking gamez after i hit der bramble rage and EAFHI;WEFI;AEWF;AEWFH them. You can always go for Thunderstorm, I think it's pretty ^_^

lOl Did they really? What the heck kind of reason is that to report someone lolol
And pff. Bramble ish better lookinz! :'D

Graey_Rain - Harshlands

What Okeano said ^
The damage increase is pretty insignificant.

And bramble rage sucks q.q
I made another genie just to try it, full dex with enough vit for the skill, lvl 10 bramble. I can't one shot no one b:sad
Well, no one who has half as good gear as I do. And why would I bother wasting a genie skill to kill them when I can just drop them with autoattacking. My aoe's do more damage than bramble even on bms with marrow up. Especially if I use tangle first. But mneh, all that green stuffs does look cool.

Zilena - Harshlands

Graey_Rain - Harshlands wrote: »

What Okeano said ^
The damage increase is pretty insignificant.

And bramble rage sucks q.q
I made another genie just to try it, full dex with enough vit for the skill, lvl 10 bramble. I can't one shot no one b:sad
Well, no one who has half as good gear as I do. And why would I bother wasting a genie skill to kill them when I can just drop them with autoattacking. My aoe's do more damage than bramble even on bms with marrow up. Especially if I use tangle first. But mneh, all that green stuffs does look cool.

Lol yeah Graey I agree with tangling mire being more useful in the long run. I meannn... Bramble is pretty hawt but I just dont see a great deal to using it in pvp unless i'm goin after a group of people just to lol at the numbers that come up :'D

Firefeng - Dreamweaver

Bramble is great for TW against factions that don't know any better and cluster up; they're just asking to be Stunned/HFed/Subsea'd/Brambled.

Evict - Heavens Tear

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