Stacking BH's

Tiageos - Sanctuary

yes, this is a "QQ" thread. I'd like to hear input from all of the time wasters out there in PWI.

Why don't you stack your BH's?
Do you realize how inconvenient it is for those that do stack their BH's?
Do you realize how much time you waste?
Do you realize how much money you waste?

Example. BH69. A stacked run can be completed in the same amount of time that it takes the ONE individual (who didn't pay attention to the fact that we advertised it was stacked), to go back to arch and return to pyro.

So basically, you're **** yourself out of time and money, AND you're **** those of us who bother to stack so we don't have to waste the time and money.

BH69, 30k wine + 8K illusion to instance + 11k to tele back to arch. 15-20 minute run. 49K
VS.
BH69, 30k wine + 8k to illusion to instance + 11k to tele back to arch + 8k to illusion to instance + 11k to tele back to arch + 8k to illusion to instance + 11k to tele back to arch . 40-50 minute run. 87k

Where the hell is the sense in not stacking?

*Enter the trolls*

_CatGirl_ - Heavens Tear

first off illusion to wraithgate and up is 10k not 8k it got changed awhile back. and secondly i agree. i dont mind ppl who are trying to stack or arent stacked completely. but not stacking anymore wastes time and money. with 29 u do qingzi 3 maybe more times a day (assuming any1 actually does bh29 anymore) stack it and your done with 1 go. 39's order is messed up u kill calcid then have to restart. 51 is messed up incase u have to kill rank or fush becuase they caught up with u, 59 just easier because of doors, and 79 is just frustrating becuase of the doors aswell, (clerics lvl 90 so im stumped on bh100 b:surrender) not stacking wastes more time that u could b grinding for more cash, and wastes cash becuase u tele back and forth.

eraldus

Tiageos - Sanctuary wrote: »

yes, this is a "QQ" thread. I'd like to hear input from all of the time wasters out there in PWI.

Why don't you stack your BH's?
Do you realize how inconvenient it is for those that do stack their BH's?
Do you realize how much time you waste?
Do you realize how much money you waste?

Example. BH69. A stacked run can be completed in the same amount of time that it takes the ONE individual (who didn't pay attention to the fact that we advertised it was stacked), to go back to arch and return to pyro.

So basically, you're **** yourself out of time and money, AND you're **** those of us who bother to stack so we don't have to waste the time and money.

BH69, 30k wine + 8K illusion to instance + 11k to tele back to arch. 15-20 minute run. 49K
VS.
BH69, 30k wine + 8k to illusion to instance + 11k to tele back to arch + 8k to illusion to instance + 11k to tele back to arch + 8k to illusion to instance + 11k to tele back to arch . 40-50 minute run. 87k

Where the hell is the sense in not stacking?

*Enter the trolls*

QQ more please, no one is forced to play like you do, this is just a game, so relax...

Kehrendorh - Archosaur

People do bh's?

threepointone

BH69 Wine is only 30k? Wow.

Meyki - Sanctuary

eraldus wrote: »

QQ more please, no one is forced to play like you do, this is just a game, so relax...

OP explained why it is better for everyone to play like he does, so bring some arguments or b:bye
I agree with op. Some people simply don't know that they can stack bhs. On the other hand, they dont visit forums either I think.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

People just go with the flow. If they can it done easy and fast, why not?

NaaMachine - Lost City

I agree with the OP. Stacking your BHs is much more efficient time- and coin-wise. Not always that big of a deal to me though. Gives me time to go have a smoke, eat, shower, go to work and come back... b:chuckle. I can also laugh at the people who QQ about how expensive it is to go back and forth. b:laugh


@threepointone
OP is talking about wine fees for a full squad. Typically between 30 and 40k.


@ eraldus
Ummm... Thanks for your input!!b:bye

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary

Tiageos - Sanctuary wrote:

Why don't you stack your BH's?

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Where the hell is the sense in not stacking?

2nd question first: There is no sense in not stacking BHs.
1st question last: People don't know how or can't be bothered.


Suggestions on how to fix this...

1) You organize the squad. If you can't be bothered to take charge then don't QQ about what you get.

2) You advertise that you want a STACKED BH. When I world-chat, I send this text "Need Cleric + 3 Others for stacked BH79 (Pole/Pyro/Nob), 30k wine". If you get people that come to squad and arent' stacked, it's their loss, but be sure to reiterate this is a stacked squad before you stone in as you might need to find a replacement... if they drop to turn in, don't invite them back; finish short-handed or if you're despreate world-chat for a replacement.

3) If someone says "How do I stack?", teach them... don't berate them or call them stupid... help fix the problem by teaching those that don't know how to do it.

XXKerriganXX - Sanctuary

lol. at least the people u re talking about use tele to go to arch. i had this factionmate who used to fly to arch from bh 69 cause it was ' too expensive' and he had no coins and he was the barb and had to pay a big repair bill.

Needless to say i prefer doing bhs with wc people then this factionmate.

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary

Kehrendorh - Archosaur wrote:

People do bh's?

Why not? It's a good investment of time/coin for the return on experience for a character from L80-89.

Seq 1: Nob/Pyro/Brig; Seq 2: Pole/Pyro/Nob; Seq 3: Styg/Pryo/Nob

Two of three BH sequences require you to run both BH69 and BH79... Let's say wine costs 33,500 coin per player with tokens costing 10,050 coin each. Sequences 1 and 3 are going to cost 67k coin while sequence 2 costs 33.5k coin for an average wine split of 55.8k coin. Let's assume a stacked squad always stays together and can run sequences 1 and 3 in 40 minutes and sequence 2 in 30 minutes for an average time investment of 36.7 minutes. BH-1, 2, and 3 at this level range give 220k, 160k, and 120k EXP respectively for a total of 500k EXP over 36.7 minutes.

13.6k EXP / min and 9k EXP / 1k coin

P.S. If someone's offering free wine, it's well worth the time investment to do BH!

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When I did half-FCC runs around L85, I roughly recall getting 20-30% by hypering only the two hallway pulls by the bishop boss and the Runewolf, and then again from just before Oceania's death through the big pull, and the heads burning roughly 6 min of x12 hyper time and taking about 1:30h to complete the run. 25% of L85 is 1,703k EXP. If tokens are 10,050 each, then five hypers are 402k, but you only use 1/10th of an hour per run so that's 40.2k coin per run.

18.9k EXP / min and 42.4k EXP / 1k coin

FCC is about 4.7 times more efficient coin-wise than doing BH, but 500k EXP for ~ 56k coin and about 40 minutes is not bad at all. The question isn't "why do people do BH" but rather if you can afford Hypers why wouldn't you do both FCC and BH? Especially since past L85 the efficiency of FCC goes down as your level relative to the mobs goes up (you can hyper more pulls all the way to the extreme of just hypering the whole run but it becomes considerably more expensive than BH the more you leave the hyper engaged; this is offset by the fact that you can do the runs in less and less time at higher levels).

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Just for the sake of argument let's look at CrazyStone too...

L85 - Spend 71.55k coin (if you make commons from shabbies yourself) and wait 10 minutes to get 197.6k EXP.

19.8k EXP / min and 2.8k EXP / 1k coin

Probably the worst value coin-wise, but if you can afford it, the time investment is even a better payoff than FCC, so if you can afford it, why skip it?

WorryEasykil - Dreamweaver

I 90% agree. For most classes, stacking the BH makes sense. However, for most, they are only going to run it once per day.

However, for Barbs and Clerics, they may run the things multiple times in a day, once for themselves, and again to help out faction mates. That makes it hard to stack, so for those two classes I dont mind waiting while they turn in

GohRaL - Sanctuary

^Sarcasm maybe ???



When i used to play, and used to do BHs, i ALWAYS stacked them cuz of the less time spent and money to tele...

my usually BH bill was only wine and repair. i started to fly there when squad was still forming (lf cler and stuff) or when some1 was looking for wine, then upon completing i flew back while afk. i try to save up as much as i can as a F2P barbb:chuckle


btw i dont mind that much non-stacked runs unless is a full squad and we all have to wait for just 1 person. Usually if i find a non-stacked i try to teach him how to do it, but im sure you do the same Sylen, cuz i know your a good teacher b:laugh