Nemesis not bidding...

_Mango - Archosaur

Alright so I was "disabled from bidding" for this "fake bid" thing, I'd like you to read through this post before you jump to conclusions.

So two weeks ago on the PWI forums, a bunch of people made a fuss (namely this rogue Nemesiii guy) about Banana_ owning TheAlamo and bidding in Territory Wars with it. Well he got "disabled from bidding" on "TheAlamo" that week on his alt for "fake bidding." Although by definition it wasn't a fake bid to benefit us at all, it was a bid all the way across the map for our alts for more fun in TW. Nonetheless, I received an e-mail from PWI warning me that if another "fake bid" came from someone in our faction then I would be unable to bid for that next week. The screen-shot below states that as a warning from PWI:

The Warning

I'd like to point out that we are not the only people that have done this... When Ascend was created, TEXAS still bid each week with their alts. Furthermore, bathtime! was never reported for this as a ban-able offense, yet I got warned for someone's actions that I had no influence in. NOTE: I do not want to throw anyone under the bus with these statements. I am just pointing out a fact...

SO, after this warning was given, someone else in our faction "fake bid" on our land to stop Zulusive from attacking us. The warning in regards to Banana_'s alt was a misunderstanding, simply put. This is the explanation given to me by PWI as to why I was banned:

The Final Conclusion

My thoughts on this matter:

I find this to be extremely unfair because anyone in our faction could be an alt from another faction and do a fake bid from the account affiliated with Nemesis and I will be held accountable for their actions. Furthermore, there is, as of now, no way for us to know who really did this other than the fact that it WAS someone in our faction. I suggest whoever has done this, realizes how many people they effected and how unfair this situation has become for Zulusive and us.

My questions are as follows...
WHO is Nemesiii, on the forums?
Why won't he show his real name?
How does he know who the leader of Bath_Time is yet no one else does?
Why has he orchestrated the movement to give me a warning the week before my ban?
Why does he even care about a non-factor faction (i.e. TheAlamo, Comcast); everyone knows they can steam roll through them if they really wanted to.

KaiserNeko - Archosaur

to be stop from bidding for this is just dumb.. and that rule needs to be re-thought

sorry to hear about this and see ya next week in TW

Kirkitsune - Archosaur

ok, so it has to be someone that doesn't like Mango. That narrows it down to almost everyone on the server not in Nemesis and maybe a few in it.... Who wants to start interrogating?

Tamias - Archosaur

bathtime! was created as an inside joke between a sizeable group of Narla. At the time, when a certain person got banned fro a bit and mained a sin, the sin was a main. After that person was unbanned, their unbanned char became their main and the sin became an alt. SO that is why there SHOULD have been no warnings of affiliation for bathtime! as it was run by a character that was switched to being a main. (at least this is my view on the matter). The sin also was not an officer at the time in Narla so it should have been obvious to a GM that the sin would be circumvented to alt status the moment the main character was un-banned ><

bathtime! never got on the map so that could also be why there wouldn't be any repercussions (since Ascend and Texas were on the map that would be an issue same with when the whole Impulse/Fatalis PHOENIX thing happened it was all in the handling of actually acquirable land)It could also have been that the two characters were on separate accounts..? But I don't pretend to understand how a GM dictates this situation I can only muse as to the reasons why the original bathtime! didn't have the same issues.

However for the record assumptions were made against certain people and I will not hesitate to pull up those records if anyone grows barbs over the matter and starts up the finger pointing. It saddened me that the first assumption of Bath_Time and its leader went straight against the ORIGINAL maker of bathtime! which would be an easily drawn conclusion to those who weren't in on the whole bathtime! joke. The person who had been called into question over the situation doesnt have NEAR the funds to outbid Zulusive for anyone who was wondering (this is not in direct correlation to the OP but just to put it out there)

*sweatdrop* now I must return in-game to go makes money for Rep QQ

_Mango - Archosaur

Tamias - Archosaur wrote: »

bathtime! was created as an inside joke between a sizeable group of Narla. At the time, when a certain person got banned fro a bit and mained a sin, the sin was a main. After that person was unbanned, their unbanned char became their main and the sin became an alt. SO that is why there SHOULD have been no warnings of affiliation for bathtime! as it was run by a character that was switched to being a main. (at least this is my view on the matter). The sin also was not an officer at the time in Narla so it should have been obvious to a GM that the sin would be circumvented to alt status the moment the main character was un-banned ><

bathtime! never got on the map so that could also be why there wouldn't be any repercussions (since Ascend and Texas were on the map that would be an issue same with when the whole Impulse/Fatalis PHOENIX thing happened it was all in the handling of actually acquirable land)It could also have been that the two characters were on separate accounts..? But I don't pretend to understand how a GM dictates this situation I can only muse as to the reasons why the original bathtime! didn't have the same issues.

However for the record assumptions were made against certain people and I will not hesitate to pull up those records if anyone grows barbs over the matter and starts up the finger pointing. It saddened me that the first assumption of Bath_Time and its leader went straight against the ORIGINAL maker of bathtime! which would be an easily drawn conclusion to those who weren't in on the whole bathtime! joke. The person who had been called into question over the situation doesnt have NEAR the funds to outbid Zulusive for anyone who was wondering (this is not in direct correlation to the OP but just to put it out there)

*sweatdrop* now I must return in-game to go makes money for Rep QQ

I hope you didn't feel like I was trying to accuse Kaiser because that was not was I was trying to do. I apologize if it came across that way, nor did I try to throw you guys under the bus for having an alt faction for your own interests (which I had an alt in as well). This whole situation is screwy. Regardless I hope you don't think I am trying to point the finger because frankly there is no way to know who did this, unfortunately.

Tamias - Archosaur

No lol I mean if anyone out here is to point the finger, not you >< sorry if it seemed like that which is why I said at the end its not necessarily directed to the first post but just in general (as the assumption could be made by more than one person and other people HAVE approached me in private on the same issues ;-;)

WnbTank - Archosaur

The funny thing is, I told it was Nemesis behind latest fakebid, I got so much bs about it, and it seems like I was right. Frankly I dont feel too bad over what happened to you, you broke the rules, you gotta pay for it. You can argue about alt factions not to affect TWs, we both know that`s a false statement, on our rather empty server. Those affect TW map, you got warned clearly, yet you got disabled for bidding, you can only blame yourself/your faction. And as a leader, you gotta take responsbility out of your members actions, you can only blame yourself for what happened.

Now why do you refer to Zulusive, like we`re on the same boat? We didn`t break any rules, to put it simply, labeling us with the ones who did, is an insult towards us. You think you are some sort of higher victim, when you had no interest solving or even discussing the fake bid, till now? Would you have acted differently before, might somebody care what you got to say, yet you did not. You are responsible for your members, I see no wrong on your penalty, you got clear warning for it.

Edit: If you are refering into this convo, no you did not blame kaiser, if you refer to what happened before, I can call that bs.

_Mango - Archosaur

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

The funny thing is, I told it was Nemesis behind latest fakebid, I got so much bs about it, and it seems like I was right.

Hindsight is always funny isn't it WnbTank.... You're so cool for being right YAY b:chuckle

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

Frankly I dont feel too bad over what happened to you, you broke the rules, you gotta pay for it. You can argue about alt factions not to affect TWs, we both know that`s a false statement, on our rather empty server.

I love how you act as if that was my alt faction with ill intentions. Again you fail realize we are not the only faction that has done this. This faction Basilisks this week hasn't gotten any flack for bidding although it is an alt faction... Why point the finger at us yet not hold standard across the board?

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

And as a leader, you gotta take responsbility out of your members actions, you can only blame yourself for what happened.

... I'll leave this one alone for people with common sense to come to their own conclusions. By the way, it is spelled responsibility.

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

Now why do you refer to Zulusive, like we`re on the same boat? We didn`t break any rules, to put it simply, labeling us with the ones who did, is an insult towards us.

You are wide of the point with ONE comment that I made. Zulusive and Nemesis both were looking forward to that TW and we were all cheated out of it. You can continue with your ranting but fact is I wanted that TW and whoever did this took that away from not only Nemesis but also Zulusive. So to say I am including them in responsibility is wrong, no... I am saying this action has affected them as well as us, in regards to a fun TW.

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

You think you are some sort of higher victim, when you had no interest solving or even discussing the fake bid, till now? Would you have acted differently before, might somebody care what you got to say, yet you did. You are responsible for your members, I see no wrong on your penalty, you got clear warning for it.

I never said I am victim. Why I chose not to discuss this before is because there is nothing to discuss without facts. I don't like to fall victim to conjecture even though I have in the past. I wanted to believe it wasn't someone in our faction but now I know it was.. To have discussed it before knowing facts is just a waste of time... Before now what were the facts?

Some faction named Bath_Time bid on Nemesis territory
Zulusive was upset
Nemesis was confused

Did you really want my opinion on this matter?

Okay... I was confused.


PS If you need me to dummy down the words for you to understand better... Just ask man. b:bye

BDoomed - Archosaur

Mango go banned for 3 days and i didn't get the blame ? Now that sad ain't it. Guess am being loved now b:kiss

Kehrendorh - Archosaur

Pretty sure bans and whatnot are not supposed to be talked about on the forums.

Go play another game, dude. Enjoy the new year, with some friends. Go tip that bottle like we all know you love to do. Rethink your life and how much this game really means to your existence and what it is going to do for you as you live life.

b:bye

Katanyia - Archosaur

Wow Rob..just..wow.

Kirkitsune - Archosaur

Katanyia - Archosaur wrote: »

Wow Rob..just..wow.

What? I thought it was pretty good advice.

Katanyia - Archosaur

What brings someone to feel that they have the right to tell another player what they should be doing in their personal life on a public game forum? *shakes head

RioNHale - Archosaur

ugh, those screenshots holding leaders accountable for 2 faced members with alts kinda makes me rethink being leader of a faction
...before someone tries to **** around and get me banned too -.-


The gms should know we cant keep an eye on 150+ members AND all their alts and keep them ALL under control, seems to me someone is trying to play the system to **** tw up on our server.


All we can do is hope they stop b:cry


/wrists

Kirkitsune - Archosaur

Katanyia - Archosaur wrote: »

What brings someone to feel that they have the right to tell another player what they should be doing in their personal life on a public game forum? *shakes head

Probably the same thing that brings someone to believe they have the right to disband a faction without even consulting the members first. A feeling of pride and self-importance, but whatever. Good advice is good advice, no matter where you get it from. Some people need to remember it's a game and have fun.

Whatever, I'm going to bed. This tread will probably have 10+ pages by tomorrow morning.

Bun$ - Archosaur

Kirkitsune - Archosaur wrote: »

Probably the same thing that brings someone to believe they have the right to disband a faction without even consulting the members first. A feeling of pride and self-importance, but whatever. Good advice is good advice, no matter where you get it from. Some people need to remember it's a game and have fun.

o.o

WnbTank - Archosaur

_Mango - Archosaur wrote: »

Hindsight is always funny isn't it WnbTank.... You're so cool for being right YAY b:chuckle



I love how you act as if that was my alt faction with ill intentions. Again you fail realize we are not the only faction that has done this. This faction Basilisks this week hasn't gotten any flack for bidding although it is an alt faction... Why point the finger at us yet not hold standard across the board?



... I'll leave this one alone for people with common sense to come to their own conclusions. By the way, it is spelled responsibility.



You are wide of the point with ONE comment that I made. Zulusive and Nemesis both were looking forward to that TW and we were all cheated out of it. You can continue with your ranting but fact is I wanted that TW and whoever did this took that away from not only Nemesis but also Zulusive. So to say I am including them in responsibility is wrong, no... I am saying this action has affected them as well as us, in regards to a fun TW.



I never said I am victim. Why I chose not to discuss this before is because there is nothing to discuss without facts. I don't like to fall victim to conjecture even though I have in the past. I wanted to believe it wasn't someone in our faction but now I know it was.. To have discussed it before knowing facts is just a waste of time... Before now what were the facts?

Some faction named Bath_Time bid on Nemesis territory
Zulusive was upset
Nemesis was confused

Did you really want my opinion on this matter?

Okay... I was confused.


PS If you need me to dummy down the words for you to understand better... Just ask man. b:bye

I was right, I got bs from, surprise, you and your officers, not even counting your members into it. Your actions as whole is the funny aspect, blaming everybody but yourself and giving bs excuses when you were argued to be behind it, not even considering that maybe you are wrong, no not mango, he is always right or he will twist words enough to be right!

Your factions are the ones on map, I myself find it to be irrelevant if alt factions TW as long as they dont affect TW map. Have I said anything about Ascend or Texas? Do I find their actions any better? No, but frankly this isn`t topic about em. Either they didn`t get their warning or stopped breaking the rules, who knows, maybe, just maybe you can blame only yourself out of the outcome. Though truth to be told, would leader get penalty due one of his members, naming that character should be done, to prevent future misbehavings. That is if it`s not exactly same situation, fakebidding by same person, mentioned in the warning. If I remember correct, it`s not the case on this scenario, and for that you might have an argument, just not with players but the ones who gave you the punishment.

OMG! I didn`t spell it right, my argument must be totally invalid! I have said it few times already, as long as we`re talking in English, that isn`t myt native language, I reserve right to write flawed English. Expecting me to have same level of skill when it comes to English as born American/British is plain absurd.

Now dear mango, I did write a long post about the fake bid earlier, which got locked due ppl starting to insult. I found my text to be rather well written, you might find something about the reasons why I think what I do about fakebidding and things around it if you read it. I`ll just save time not writing those reasons you can easily find and ask you, why didn`t you bid Zulusive if you feel like you were robbed a TW? Last time I checked, 2 TWs > 1 TW. Leave the imago talk somewhere else or at least make it plausible to believe.

Now we know the facts that were avaible back then, all the facts we could have known. Did you know about the fakebid inside your faction or why do you argue it would have been pointless? Did you expect to find more facts as otherwise it`s irrelevant what happened, we`re discussing actions of past, we cannot include information from the future into that. Or would you have created another topic after observing everything and checking stories, after like you stated, you couldn`t believe one of your members would do such a thing? What has changed between now and then? No, we dont know any more "all the facts" than before, who knows, maybe we learn more about this in the future, making this discussion absolutely useless, to use your own argument. So what made this any better time thatn before as nothing relevant has changed? I have serious problems following any logic behind that argument of yours, please "dummy it down".

Ps. If the fact that I dont know sophisticated English, when I am not native with English language itself, makes me dumb, so be it. Actually that statement is false, I could write in sophisticated manner but as that isn`t the way I usually talk, it would be too big of an effort due reason I stated earlier.

Acesstes - Archosaur

Katanyia - Archosaur wrote: »

What brings someone to feel that they have the right to tell another player what they should be doing in their personal life on a public game forum? *shakes head

I know many players for who this game is "real life" and real life just place where they will take rest from PC b:chuckle

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idk point of this post from 1 reasons
-If u do something against game rules u will get Ban(Time: depends what u did)

So GM's did they job and i dont see point why sombody should now here flame Mango or Nemesis or Zulusive or any1 bcz when u check on end...even if one faction own whole map what they will get?so where is point of all this?


b:bye

NoLyf - Archosaur

Although the ban is pretty Harsh....

The fake bid was commited by a member of YOUR faction...

As Leader you are answerable to the actions of your members......

2nd week of no tw -.- ...

b:angryb:cry

BDoomed - Archosaur

Well to be serious, you do have my sympahty mango and what happened is really bad, but what i don't get is how does one unknown person's posts and threads on forums can get anyone banned? I mean GM's are not fools sitting out here am pretty sure they got means to verify any issue or problems which may come up ? But anyways you are you, hope to see you in TW next week b:victory

NoLyf - Archosaur

Nobody gives a damn abt alt factions fighting each other.........

Ppl do give a damn abt 2 of the strongest facs in server fighting......

especially when its members have been preparing for it all week

collecting herbs and what not ....b:angry

GMs should start banning the persons doing the fake bid .....Perma ban would be good

StudmuffinIX - Archosaur

the way its going in this game its more likely that pwi will start banning people who dont put in $10 a week b:surrender

chaoticshelly

This doesn't look good to me... Closed for discussing bans, naming and shaming and flame baiting.