My current LV90 Build

Falcondance - Heavens Tear
Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
edited December 2010 in Archer
This is what I've got right now. Feel free to suggest improvements.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4056414ad860fd15

Also, if anyone has any idea how the heck to get stuff over +2 without blowing millions on dragon orbs, let me know? +2 kind of hurts, lol.
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"I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    You can +3 with 20 mirages most of the time.

    R6 armour is either 3 sock or 4 sock I believe.

    I read that you want the VL to be faster, so get a pair of TT90 gold bracers t/Bloon Moon which are 4m/10    .
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd rather not be stuck with bound armor until TT99, Archer on a budget here. Or do I need the TT90 gold souledge to make the TT99? If I do, then by all means I'll get TT90 gold.
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Nope, TT gold cannot be decomposed into souldge.

    If you are on a budget, I'd recommend the TT90 even more. Just been trying to farm TT99 myself, and trust me, it's a bloody pain. The res difference is minimal, and TT99 bracers are really only needed for the Ashura Power 2 piece bonus. With GBF at 12m a piece, and 3-3 dark collubeast being like the 3rd[?] hardest TT boss in the game, it'll take a while to farm
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The truly "budget" armor is the mid-90s mold set (dark floria / light boots of hermit / bracers of abandonment). Keep your current shins and get that, and you should be set for basic PVE.

    Or you can do what I did: shell out a little coin for the full TT90 gold set and just use that as your endgame armor. TT99 isn't the end-all-be-all, and it's not exactly budget-friendly either.
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  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Dark Floria? That piece of junk? I will never sink that low. X)

    Eventually I would like to have TT99 Gold boots and wrists, but if farming for them is such a pain then it makes sense to grab TT90 gold wrists. For reference, what do I do with them when I want to stop using them? Is there a way to get some return out of them?
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Evict - Harshlands
    Evict - Harshlands Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Dunno how it is for Archers, but that amount of Vit really does seem unnecessary.
    Quote - Born_Free - Harshlands.
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    Except me. b:chuckle
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Dark Floria? That piece of junk? I will never sink that low. X)

    Eventually I would like to have TT99 Gold boots and wrists, but if farming for them is such a pain then it makes sense to grab TT90 gold wrists. For reference, what do I do with them when I want to stop using them? Is there a way to get some return out of them?
    If you have a sin and an account stash activated, you could transfer the wrists to your sin when your archer is done with them. That's what I plan to do if the level cap is raised (at which point, my archer will be going after the 105 mold set).

    And what's wrong with floria? It's not spectacular, but it works. o.O
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  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    @Born_Free: Personal preference. That's all. I like having a minor edge in some unexpected area - like the ability to tank a FF pull if our cleric BBs too late. That's where my 6k+ buffed HP comes in handy.

    @Miugre: Nothing's really wrong with Floria, it's just that even from my 7x I've thought "Who would use that piece of junk when there's so much more available?" ... Personal bias, I suppose you could call it. About the TT90 Bracers, is it possible to decompose them for mirages or something? I'm really bad with alts. At some point I'll get a rare drop on an alt, go :O THIS COULD HELP FALCON BUY HIS (insert costly gear here), and then eventually just loot the toon for Falcon's equipment. :P
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Keep the TT90 for alts?
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    My suggestion of floria was mostly in response to your "hey I'm on a budget" line. :P Up to you how much of a budget you're really on.

    You can do nothing with a piece of bound gear other than destroy it (which takes 72 hours) or put it through the account stash like I said.

    As for using a mule alt... eh, probably not gonna work. If you're feeling especially lucky (read: dumb) you could buy tons of packs until you find a Scroll of Tome to sell. XD
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  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Well I currently own all of the gear in my PWcalc build, minus the TT90 and the Rank 6 top, the latter of which I'll be getting today. That's not as much of a budget as most, but saving for a Heaven Shatterer at 95 is going to be a bombshell for me. That'll probably be endgame for me, I might Nirvana recast it. But a decent refine and decent sharding on a HS is going to kill me. I'd like to at least tickle in PvP. :P

    What about my tome, while we're on the subject? Would +4 Dex and +3 Vit be better than +5 Dex? I would think so, huh. Or I could spring for Misty Peach Blossoms for endgame, since there's no way in hell I'll be able to afford Love: Up and Down.
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Y'know, one of the 99 green xbows has soul shatter on it, and it also has range too. It's kinda like a mix of Windcatcher and HS without the -int. I've been toying with the idea of getting one, but I'd miss the -int. :P Way cheaper than HS, though. Also? HS is fugly. ._.

    Tome? Hell, I just use a Christmas Tome right now. I'd end up getting a +Dex or +Vit tome eventually, but only because I'd like all my stats to link up in multiples of 5. :P (I'm just weird like that, but it probably won't happen anyway. In general? Yeah I'd totally suggest 4dex/3vit tome. That's what my sin uses.

    My current build - http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=6e7ff80ef79ede11
    My goal build - http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0ee89175877ca029
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  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Why is there a citrine in your bow? Actually, what's up with your shard choices? o0
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Stylistic reasons. :P That's really the end of it. The bow has a Cit in it because I got tired of looking at everyone with double-red-rings all the time (unless they had DoTs... I considered one garnet and one DoT, but decided I didn't care about 1 attack level). And I felt that red-and-purple created a nice contrast to the Burst of Vacuity's look (think Vast Land but with the glow in the right place, and gold).

    Of course, it had to be something I could actually get some benefit out of. :P I wasn't going to put a Sapphire in it, or anything. (For reference, my Vast Land had a flawless garnet / flawless ruby in it. My Windcatcher, not shown on the build, has a perfect topaz / perfect turq)

    As for the armor... well, when the vest came out with 4s I considered doing the 4-immaculate thing, but I decided I didn't want the electric effect to obscure the armor itself (it being a fairly uncommon look). So I went "sparkly" instead. Turns out when you put on all 4 pieces, you get a green smoke effect on the vest. That was a pleasant surprise. :)

    Could I have gone all Cits/Garnets? Sure I guess. But I felt like being a bit more balanced. *shrug*

    The cape has all Cits in it because hey, you don't see the cape... so I might as well put semi-"pro" shards in that if nothing else. As you can see, I plan to do the same with my helm once it's made (the Helm of Pirate is just a placeholder).
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  • Ajani - Harshlands
    Ajani - Harshlands Posts: 1,170 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Toooo Muchhh Viiiittttt....
    PVP: 3800 kills in the name of KD lawl
    Retired as of 18/11/09
    Back as of 22/11/10
    Archer retired as of 26/12/10
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Yeah, yeah, my Vitality's off the wall. I've heard this before. ^^

    What do you think of my gear choices? Does anyone else feel like adding to the thread?
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Your vitality is not "off the wall." XD That's not even a hybrid build. You have the same vitality as me, and I've never experienced a problem with it. :P

    Your gear? Seems fine to me. If you wanted a little bit more stat-perfectionism, the 90 gold bracers are obviously a popular choice. But what you have is fine too... I'd only switch the Heavenly Lord ring for the third Attendance ring. But then, my rep is abysmal (by design) so I don't wear a rank badge - I wear an attendance ring and heavenly lord. :P
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah, yeah, my Vitality's off the wall. I've heard this before. ^^

    Personally, my vit, without armor is over twice your vit, with armor. And I still have to wait before I start shooting, if I am to avoid pulling aggro before the monster dies (and I will pull aggro even then if I get too many crits together). And it's not like I have particularly high refines or great garnets or anything. (Edit: and this is without sparking -- I usually save sparks so I can triple spark with my fists if when need, or so I can use winged shell for lighter risks.)

    I honestly do not know what people with high refines and high dexterity are doing with their extra damage. Do they just spend most of their PvE time waiting so they do not pull aggro? If so, how can they possibly think they are being efficient? (Edit: though I suppose demons can have winged shell up nearly always, so that could help here.)
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    *Impressed whistle*

    Maybe I should consider raising my Vit more... Fleuri, you pull aggro with a -bow-? No fists? When there are other APS users in the party? I find that really impressive. And, if you don't mind sharing, what's your unbuffed HP?
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
    Sig pic by Nowitsawn
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This is what I've got right now. Feel free to suggest improvements.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4056414ad860fd15

    Also, if anyone has any idea how the heck to get stuff over +2 without blowing millions on dragon orbs, let me know? +2 kind of hurts, lol.

    All I can really suggest is to replace your heavenly ring with a Perfect Attendance ring. Also, consider OHT boots in the near future :3
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    *Impressed whistle*

    Maybe I should consider raising my Vit more... Fleuri, you pull aggro with a -bow-? No fists? When there are other APS users in the party? I find that really impressive. And, if you don't mind sharing, what's your unbuffed HP?

    I do not pull aggro with a bow when 5aps fist users are in my party, unless I have also been using claws (some bosses, like in nirvana, you have to run from some of the time, and many have random aggro), or unless the boss random aggros, or unless they have not had a chance to attack yet. And my claws are relatively unspectacular, compared to some people's weapons...

    But I play for fun, and I will often party with friends. Grinding for coins can be fun, often enough, but it is not a particularly efficient use of time even when coin generation is my priority. And I was mostly talking about pulling aggro in situations like bounty hunts in Seat or Abaddon (but I suppose, if your party's damage is high enough, you can just treat those monsters like they were regular monsters and kill them before they reach you, and if your armor is good enough you can tank a few hits and ignore aggro issues).

    And, for my unbuffed, HP, that depends on my gear (for example, am I wearing my sky demon's pearl and thundershock guard or am I wearing my lionheart jewelry?). But it's something like 8xxx or 9xxx, basically. That's not really all that spectacular, in the overall scheme of things -- for example, Asterelle has 3 vit and has higher health than I do. But I have my health and my damage reasonably well balanced, and the 2k health I get from my base vitality has kept me alive on numerous occasions.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    *Impressed whistle*

    Maybe I should consider raising my Vit more... Fleuri, you pull aggro with a -bow-? No fists? When there are other APS users in the party? I find that really impressive. And, if you don't mind sharing, what's your unbuffed HP?

    Never raise your vit over 5. if that guy is getting 2k hp from base vit... hes going to be sporting well over 150 base vits. That would bring his dex to the 300 range. Compare to the top ranked archers with close to 500 dex and sports well over 20k base bow damage with attack levels to boot. Its not hard for them to hold constant aggro over a sparked 5 aps with a bow. And if the said archer switched to a claw... he would still be doing 10k sparked hits. An archer is only as good as his weapon/damage... and adding vit isn't going to help that any.
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Never raise your vit over 5. if that guy is getting 2k hp from base vit... hes going to be sporting well over 150 base vits. That would bring his dex to the 300 range. Compare to the top ranked archers with close to 500 dex and sports well over 20k base bow damage with attack levels to boot. Its not hard for them to hold constant aggro over a sparked 5 aps with a bow. And if the said archer switched to a claw... he would still be doing 10k sparked hits. An archer is only as good as his weapon/damage... and adding vit isn't going to help that any.

    You are so mixing apples and oranges here.

    Seriously, you have made too many logical mistakes here for me to begin to know where to start.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You are so mixing apples and oranges here.

    Seriously, you have made too many logical mistakes here for me to begin to know where to start.

    Well... lets start with...

    You have more vit.
    I have more dex.
    I can tank all bh/nirv bosses... so I assume you could too with all your vit.
    Boss dies faster when I tank.

    EDIT: Any my job in TW has nothing to do with luring anything or anyone. I have one job and one job only... kill as many people as i can before i run out of arrows.

    You yourself said that there are archer with less vit and more hp. Chances are that archer with more hp also have more damage cause he have more dex. So basically you are getting the short end of both sticks.
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    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well... lets start with...

    You have more vit.
    I have more dex.
    I can tank all bh/nirv bosses... so I assume you could too with all your vit.
    Boss dies faster when I tank.

    Yes, you are correct: I can solo most of them, (and I have sometimes, though I really would rather not).

    And, if I restatted my vitality to dexterity (which would cost me about 10 million if I did that today, maybe 11 million if I had to rush), my dps would increase by about 6%.

    I could achieve the same end without hurting my survivability so badly by replacing six of my flawless citrines with diamonds of tiger. Though, of course, I would need maybe 20 million for that. But that could still be cheaper than repeated restats.

    But, currently, that small bit of damage is not a priority for me and I would rather use those coins elsewhere. In my experience, a 6% dps difference has been unnoticeable unless I am using it to cross a rate threshold.

    And, I will let you work out the average DPS of a dead archer, for yourself.
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    EDIT: Any my job in TW has nothing to do with luring anything or anyone. I have one job and one job only... kill as many people as i can before i run out of arrows.

    You yourself said that there are archer with less vit and more hp. Chances are that archer with more hp also have more damage cause he have more dex. So basically you are getting the short end of both sticks.

    Someone with both higher hp and higher dexterity (and, of course: a better weapon (since someone with those kind of resources would have no reason to bother with a one socket +5 tt99 green weapon)) than I would outclass me regardless of the choices I make. This way, I had some chance of surviving an attack by someone like that for long enough for my squad to retaliate.

    So, let me be the first to inform you: Dexterity? and Weapons? They are different.

    And if I ever manage to accumulate enough coins to get that kind of gear, and if I decide that a restat would be in my best interest, the cost of a restat note would be a relatively minor annoyance.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes, you are correct: I can solo most of them, (and I have sometimes, though I really would rather not).

    And, if I restatted my vitality to dexterity (which would cost me about 10 million if I did that today, maybe 11 million if I had to rush), my dps would increase by about 6%.

    I could achieve the same end without hurting my survivability so badly by replacing six of my flawless citrines with diamonds of tiger. Though, of course, I would need maybe 20 million for that. But that could still be cheaper than repeated restats.

    But, currently, that small bit of damage is not a priority for me and I would rather use those coins elsewhere. In my experience, a 6% dps difference has been unnoticeable unless I am using it to cross a rate threshold.

    And, I will let you work out the average DPS of a dead archer, for yourself.



    Someone with both higher hp and higher dexterity (and, of course: a better weapon (since someone with those kind of resources would have no reason to bother with a one socket +5 tt99 green weapon)) than I would outclass me regardless of the choices I make. This way, I had some chance of surviving an attack by someone like that for long enough for my squad to retaliate.

    So, let me be the first to inform you: Dexterity? and Weapons? They are different.

    And if I ever manage to accumulate enough coins to get that kind of gear, and if I decide that a restat would be in my best interest, the cost of a restat note would be a relatively minor annoyance.

    Let me get this straight... you think restating your 150 vit in to dex is only going to be a 6% increase in power. from what i gather of your build... adding 150 more dex is going to be more or less a 35% increase in dex for you. And a 35% increase in dex is going to lead to a 6% increase in patk? Of course dex and weap are different... but they are two sides of the same coin for archers. Both are modifiers for base damage. If you were to decrease one... you would need to increase another to keep the final outcome (aka base damage) the same. If you already have a weak weapon... and choose to take away dex... the compound result will be an even lower base damage.

    And hp doesn't not necessary mean survival for an archer. An archer's job in tw is to take out the targets as fast as possible. Personally... i probably have one of the lowest hp of tw capable archers on my server. But i have one of the highest patk of said archers. It doesn't matter if i am missing that 2k hp... when i can smack my would-be attackers for a 10k crit. And judging by my k/d ratio... i ain't doing so bad.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Let me get this straight... you think restating your 150 vit in to dex is only going to be a 6% increase in power. from what i gather of your build... adding 150 more dex is going to be more or less a 35% increase in dex for you. And a 35% increase in dex is going to lead to a 6% increase in patk?

    If we are talking about tanking in nirvana (and, yes, it is possible that we have changed the subject without you telling me), then my average dps would go up by a bit under 6%. (I was being generous).

    The formula I used was CritRateAfter / CritRateBefore.

    My physical attack with my claws would not change.
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And hp doesn't not necessary mean survival for an archer. An archer's job in tw is to take out the targets as fast as possible. Personally... i probably have one of the lowest hp of tw capable archers on my server. But i have one of the highest patk of said archers. It doesn't matter if i am missing that 2k hp... when i can smack my would-be attackers for a 10k crit. And judging by my k/d ratio... i ain't doing so bad.

    Yes, 10k crits are quite nice. I would need to have a barb buff, if I was to survive a 10k crit, and a guardian charm if I was to survive long enough to react (or I would need to reduce how much damage I was taking, but then it would not be a 10k crit). But if I restatted 150 points from vitality to dexterity, I would not be able to hit that hard. And I usually was able to arrange for a barb buff -- not always, of course, but often enough that I could be effective against people with good weapons.

    Also, since I am sage, I could hypothetically temporarily reduce your 10k crit down to something like 280 damage, using chi skills (350 chi or 550 chi) and damage reduction apothecaries. I doubt that that time and effort would be the right way to approach such a battle, especially in a TW, and a purge proc would eliminate most of that damage reduction (and a triple spark, on your part, would eliminate the rest), but it would be possible...

    Maybe I will be able to get a weapon which allows me to do damage in that ballpark later, these last few weeks were good to me, but for now I am still saving up. But, really, this discussion has almost nothing to do with my dexterity.

    That said, if I do get a weapon comparable to yours, restatting my vitality to dexterity would not be a reasonable priority for me. I would have to have defenses superior in strength to the weapon before I would even begin to think about such a thing.

    Edit: however, to be fair: vit builds struggle with one of the funner aspects of the game, which is soloing normal monsters. If you are a vit build without super good gear, you will be taking hits that a dex build would not be taking. You will recover from them but you will still sometimes have to use healing supplies or take breaks. And, of course, this aspect goes away when you are working together with your squad.

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