how nasty are r8 archers
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Shevanel - Sanctuary wrote: »Before this sale, just how many mages had r8? I can think of one.. how "used" to being hit by said mage can you be to make that assumption? I know you have good gear, but be ready for upcoming tws *to see how you drop..
be interesting at least..
*not a threat by any means, and not from me either. Amp won't be twing vindicate for a while, and my wep Is unrefined atm :c
I'm talking about PK not TW. Minimus has +10 r8 and I mess with him all the time in PK. So yea, I'm used to getting hit by it.
TW is another story. You have a whole squad and a half purging and trying take one down. Doesn't even need wizards with r8 to take a decently equipped barb down fast.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I dont understand how you compare the cheapness of R8 now with noobness. Like the cashopers who had the "rare" R8 before had to have more skill, just because they cash shopped? I'm going to be R8 archer with no refines, not soon anyway, and I dont consider myself a noob at all.
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Jhalil - Heavens Tear wrote: »+0 R8 weapon has about the same p.atk or m.atk as a +10 Lunar weapon. So yeah, doesn't matter if it's +3 or 4, it's still like they're running around with a +10 lunar weapon.
So I have to agree, anyone with a R8 weapon will pretty much hit hard, regardless of how crappy the rest of their gear is.
I don't check the forums for a couple of weeks... and its over run with mis information.
+10 cv = +6/7 r8 bow
its been long established that +10 cv is the min standard for average archers... although the standard is prob +10 r8 by now. anyone wielding an r8 with below +6/7 refines is just nerfing their own damage.
and for those who are wondering...
a +12 r8 bow hits 4.5k harder then a stock r9 (even after factoring in the +30 atk levels).
so before all you kids run out and buy the newest shinny toy... better make sure you have more gold to back up that shinny toy.Innamorata - Harshlands wrote: »I dont understand how you compare the cheapness of R8 now with noobness. Like the cashopers who had the "rare" R8 before had to have more skill, just because they cash shopped? I'm going to be R8 archer with no refines, not soon anyway, and I dont consider myself a noob at all.
GTFO with that ****.
i would consider you a noob... in term of skill and damage.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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I don't get the logic here
Cashoppers A who bought r8 before the sale spent more money then cashoppers B who bought r8 during the sale, THEREFORE Cashoppers A > Cashoppers B?
Sounds like some forum trolls need to get off of their cashopped soap box.0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »its been long established that +10 cv is the min standard for average archers... although the standard is prob +10 r8 by now. anyone wielding an r8 with below +6/7 refines is just nerfing their own damage.
Long established by who? It seems you still have no idea of what the definition of "average" is. A few months ago when your faulty perseption of "average" was brought up I decided to do a bit of research. Over a couple of weeks I took note of the weapons of every end game archer I came across. Those with +10 or better accounted for about 28%, those with +5 or less about 34%, leaving about 38% for +6 to +9.0 -
Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »Long established by who? It seems you still have no idea of what the definition of "average" is. A few months ago when your faulty perseption of "average" was brought up I decided to do a bit of research. Over a couple of weeks I took note of the weapons of every end game archer I came across. Those with +10 or better accounted for about 28%, those with +5 or less about 34%, leaving about 38% for +6 to +9.
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Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »Long established by who? It seems you still have no idea of what the definition of "average" is. A few months ago when your faulty perseption of "average" was brought up I decided to do a bit of research. Over a couple of weeks I took note of the weapons of every end game archer I came across. Those with +10 or better accounted for about 28%, those with +5 or less about 34%, leaving about 38% for +6 to +9.
And I already pointed out of what i define as average... i mean competitive average. I personally don't care about every random archers out there. By your calculation... those 28% of archers with +10 cv is very much above average. But by my perspective... those 28% archers' max damage would barely match my min damage (not factoring in attack levels). So if you were to make a chart... would I be that lone dot standing ten standard deviations out?1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »Make a graph!!!
The data was collected several months ago, well before R8 and R9 came on the scene, so no longer accurately represents the current state of endgame archers. Maybe I'll record new samples once things settle down a bit in a month or so.0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »And I already pointed out of what i define as average... i mean competitive average. I personally don't care about every random archers out there. By your calculation... those 28% of archers with +10 cv is very much above average. But by my perspective... those 28% archers' max damage would barely match my min damage (not factoring in attack levels). So if you were to make a chart... would I be that lone dot standing ten standard deviations out?
That's a completely BS definition of average. It's like claiming that the average income of Americans is $1 million, by ignoring anyone who makes less than $500k since they're not competetive enough to be worth counting.
An average is derived by a mathematical calculation, perspective has nothing to do with it.0 -
Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »That's a completely BS definition of average. It's like claiming that the average income of Americans is $1 million, by ignoring anyone who makes less than $500k since they're not competetive enough to be worth counting.
An average is derived by a mathematical calculation, perspective has nothing to do with it.
However extreme lows and highs need to be discounted or they ruin the results.
Imma guessing most would consider below +3 not worth counting and +11/12 too rare to make the average appropriate.
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Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »However extreme lows and highs need to be discounted or they ruin the results.
Imma guessing most would consider below +3 not worth counting and +11/12 too rare to make the average appropriate.
<--+2 R8 b:laugh
Im too poor for refining atmb:cry
A range of 13 points (0-12) is small enough to not have extremes that would skew results.
I'm currently at +7 on my R8, and I plan to go no further. I have my sights on R9 or whatever else the expansion may bring and see no sense in wasting excessive coin on a short term weapon.0 -
Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »That's a completely BS definition of average. It's like claiming that the average income of Americans is $1 million, by ignoring anyone who makes less than $500k since they're not competetive enough to be worth counting.
An average is derived by a mathematical calculation, perspective has nothing to do with it.
I don't know about you... but when I compare my income I compare it against my peers. I don't compare it against some bum out on the street. Yea... if i were to compare it to a bum... it would make me feel better since i am making thousands of percentage more then him. But really... what does that accomplish? That i am better then a bum?
My peers in the game... especially other dds... are running around with +10/12 r8... and now r9s (soon to be +10/12) are becoming more common?1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I don't know about you... but when I compare my income I compare it against my peers. I don't compare it against some bum out on the street. Yea... if i were to compare it to a bum... it would make me feel better since i am making thousands of percentage more then him. But really... what does that accomplish? That i am better then a bum?
My peers in the game... especially other dds... are running around with +10/12 r8... and now r9s (soon to be +10/12) are becoming more common?
Then stop using the term "average archers", because that is not in any way what you are refering to. You and your peers are high end archers, not average.0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I don't know about you... but when I compare my income I compare it against my peers. I don't compare it against some bum out on the street. Yea... if i were to compare it to a bum... it would make me feel better since i am making thousands of percentage more then him. But really... what does that accomplish? That i am better then a bum?
My peers in the game... especially other dds... are running around with +10/12 r8... and now r9s (soon to be +10/12) are becoming more common?
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KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »but your on a pve server. b:bye
You haven't fought transcend if +10 is "average to you" b:thanks (AimAce does very well for an "Under average archer") But i'm sure you meant average by how many people have them and I agree o.oShhh don't troll, it's yulk bait.0 -
KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »but your on a pve server. b:bye
What's your point?
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I would use the term "common" as opposed to "average" when referring to a +10 weapon. People with +10 weapons won't receive random complements from passerby's like you do with higher refines.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I don't check the forums for a couple of weeks... and its over run with mis information.
+10 cv = +6/7 r8 bow
its been long established that +10 cv is the min standard for average archers... although the standard is prob +10 r8 by now. anyone wielding an r8 with below +6/7 refines is just nerfing their own damage.
and for those who are wondering...
a +12 r8 bow hits 4.5k harder then a stock r9 (even after factoring in the +30 atk levels).
so before all you kids run out and buy the newest shinny toy... better make sure you have more gold to back up that shinny toy.
i would consider you a noob... in term of skill and damage.
Then you do not understand the term of noob. The difference between Pro and Newb about being capable of using skills and attack in the highest efficiency form, not how many refines or whatever you have. Go read more.
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P.S - well actually noob means stinking at "playing" a game and being a jackass above that, but in this situation you understand. If you get by playing - having refines and max gear, regardless of how good of a strategist you really are, yeah..0 -
Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »Then stop using the term "average archers", because that is not in any way what you are refering to. You and your peers are high end archers, not average.
Stop padding the low end to make yourself or others feel better.KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »but your on a pve server. b:bye
How does that saying go... I would rather rule in hell then serve in heaven... i think something like that. In terms of damage... i am pretty sure i am in ranked in the top 5 of archers before the ranked sale. And even after the ranked sale... I doubt my damage would drop off the top 10. Now let me ask you... how do you compare in your server. Made the top hundred yet? Good luck serving in heaven... i heard the top dogs there wants a foot massage.Innamorata - Harshlands wrote: »Then you do not understand the term of noob. The difference between Pro and Newb about being capable of using skills and attack in the highest efficiency form, not how many refines or whatever you have. Go read more.
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P.S - well actually noob means stinking at "playing" a game and being a jackass above that, but in this situation you understand. If you get by playing - having refines and max gear, regardless of how good of a strategist you really are, yeah..
What many don't understand is that skills without gears mean nothing. While its true that against an evenly geared player... the one with more skill would previle. But when you pit a stock "skilled" player against another with +10 everything... 9 out of 10 times the guy with +10 is going to win. So i guess you can be the skilled loser in this case.
Even with a ranked (8) weapon... anything below a +5 will hit somewhere in the 3-digits on heavy armor (for an archer). And when the said heavy armor have over 10k hp unbuffed... you are NOT going to make the kill... regardless of how skilled you are.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Is it me, or did the thread get steered away from the original topic once archers started posting on it?0
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Well in an attempt to steer it back....
With the rep sale, more archers have access to a weapon similar to a +8~+9 Lunar Bow - purge effect.
So basically a good amount of archers are starting at the base damage of a +10 CV bow and moving upwards.
What does this mean on pvp servers? The sniping is gonna hit you harded than before. Last I checked archers arent the best to go after HAs with.0 -
KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »kio post yelling "My cashshop > your cashshop" b:cute Enjoy rank9 till new instance
and guess what... regardless of what comes out... chances are... i'll still be wielding a better weapon then you.Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »Well in an attempt to steer it back....
With the rep sale, more archers have access to a weapon similar to a +8~+9 Lunar Bow - purge effect.
So basically a good amount of archers are starting at the base damage of a +10 CV bow and moving upwards.
What does this mean on pvp servers? The sniping is gonna hit you harded than before. Last I checked archers arent the best to go after HAs with.
I would have to disagree on certain aspects... while its true that an archer won't be able to take down a 30k barb. a decent geared archer will be hitting heavies for 2k per shot without crit. bms generally run 10k hp... and there are few barbs with 15k-20k hp. its possible for an archer to regular shot one of those to death. and when added in occasional metal crit... its very possible for an arch to take down a heavy.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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I have a bm that has r9 +12 everything and just pwns everything on pk regardless of what class u are and what refine/rank/wep/**** u have b:cute0
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The entire thing about this R8 upgrade is funny.
Offensive powers of alot of classes went through the roof, but...
Defensive? Euhm.....Still same old gear, so damage went up, defense stayed same, this means what?
Damage vs Defense is completely off balance with alot of people's chars.
I had my TT99 gears before this thing, slowly working on my nirvana now, but....Just the pants.
It isn;t that much of skill anymore, killing is now easy (PvP) and doing damage (PvE) is now like...lolz...
But people now tend to focus on ALOT of offense, but hardly any defense, or not sufficient.
So yeah, I usually just laugh my head off.....Look Look, 1 Shot....(I shoot, look look, your defense SUCKS!) when facing R8 Offensive power...b:victory Once you discover life is meaningless, you will see my point of view!! b:victory
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As hard as a R8 Archer hits... only the highly refined ones one shot me, the ones that got it during the sell so far are relatively easy kills. I've won most of my fights with one of them when he wasn't ganking me and I was able to one shot another with a zerk crit without Mire or anything... It's a shame people don't have the gear to back up their new weapons.
So.. in all honesty.. they aren't all that nasty.0 -
b:thanksKiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »and guess what... regardless of what comes out... chances are... i'll still be wielding a better weapon then you.
And i be glad that i spent no real money in this game, Im glad to annouce that i cash shop in league of legends. I better way to spent my moneis.
Oh.. n i quit it with nirvana bow +10 n full set nirvana +7... just so ya know.. No monei involve (coulda plus 10 set.. but i was helping gf with her gear too as she was helping me too) b:bye
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