Would it be worth buying the Phoenix for PvE

Aniella - Harshlands

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't understand your logic. How is it that you can say that it isn't worth it to get a herc/nix and yet you'll switch over to your sister's account and use her herc for tt?

i rarly do tt runs XD most doing fc runs. tt is almot impossble 2 solo now, only 2-3 and tt3-1.
b:chuckle. - lol herc die if its not 2 venos 2 heal. so yeah tt sux, xD(-unless if u get good drops and pro squad)

I don't say its not worth get. but i see no point get 1, if u have sister like me or good friends that help w tt if so.

but herc was not poit here it was nix on pve server. lol i think ppl must look at money and time, before they start say things.

cuz if u waste 500+dollar u will never get it bk XD And w u quite the game u will understad w i mean w money.

well i think its better save money, then waste em on games, u will quite late rin ur life.

Bunella - Harshlands

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

Scope is bets dd pet on ground, if u guys don't get that! - nix can't be in fc,tt,fb,bh
sawfly is the 2sed best air pet.

(i use another act for that tho)I grind w lvl 100 nux, XD lol he do around 6k w claw and he can't 1 hit a lvl 96 mobs.

And Alphae how the hell can ur lowbe nux hit spider 1 hit, w lvl 100 nux need 5?

And if it wasnt for buff herc/nix had not been op pets - they had been like normal pets. so Pet buffs do 90% of the epic ****.

at lvl 100 it have 4k patk w claw 5kb:laugh

"atm i brougth claw for lol 4m"

o.o and skils not hard 2 get , may ur damn lucky and get in in DT if u do it everytime. or save.

"Well if u guys use ur mind on money/ time and not the best pet, do u wnat lure ppl 2 waste their food money or life hrs on game, u may will or must quite 2 play. NO1 will play this game forever".

I am not trying to "lure" anyone into spending their food money on a game. The OP asked our opinions and we gave them. How people chose to spend their own money is up to them. Did your sister spend her "food" money on her nix and herc? I have both, but my mortgage is paid and I have a freezer full of food.

We all apparently waste our "life" hours on a game I believe that is the point. Entertainment.

Mauntille - Heavens Tear

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

i rarly do tt runs XD most doing fc runs. tt is almot impossble 2 solo now, only 2-3 and tt3-1.
b:chuckle. - lol herc die if its not 2 venos 2 heal. so yeah tt sux, xD(-unless if u get good drops and pro squad)

I only mentioned herc and tt runs because of:

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

whats point w nix/herc . i use my sis act if i wnat play w those tho <.< she have herc/nix- work fine for me use her char. but i only like do tt w it.

RE:TT - see other thread.

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't say its not worth get. but i see no point get 1, if u have sister like me or good friends that help w tt if so.

I still don't follow you. What I understand this to mean is that you shouldn't get a herc/nix if you have access to one or friends to help with one specific instance that most have said is not the money maker. Please elaborate.

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

but herc was not poit here it was nix on pve server. lol i think ppl must look at money and time, before they start say things.

Ever try merchanting with a semi-perma catchop? I did this in college. Had pw run in the background while I brought my laptop to class and took notes. That alone earned more than enough money for a legendary pet. Yes, the legendary pets are expensive, but they should be due to their superiority. They aren't a necessity to play the game, but I find it hard to believe that anyone nearing top levels who deals with enough money to even consider getting one wouldn't. It's like a BM- do you invest in 5APS? Depends on your budget. But if you deal in enough money to get it, I don't see why you wouldn't.

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

cuz if u waste 500+dollar u will never get it bk XD And w u quite the game u will understad w i mean w money.

How would you waste $500+ as per this discussion? Last I checked, a legendary pet costs ~$200 if you buy it straight from the cash shop while there is no sale. Even if you buy both, you are still at around $400.

As far as quitting goes, you should think about how long you are going to play before making that investment. If the investment is purely in game coin, then how does it matter? It's not like you can convert your coin to gold and get money out of playing the game. If the purchase is made from real money, then the game can be considered as a consumable good. If you spend $14 on a 2-hour movie and enjoyed that movie, was it a waste? I'd assume you "quit" the theatre after the movie ended. Now let's say you got popcorn and a soda, putting the cost at around $25 for the 2-hour period. So if a legendary pet costs $200, then it's roughly the equivalent of 8 2-hour movies. This 16 hours can be split into 2-3 hour gaming sessions each night for a week. Do you not get the enjoyment out of the legendary after the week is up? Do you quit the game after a week?

This example may be a bit extreme, but:

Bunella - Harshlands wrote: »

I believe that is the point. Entertainment.

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

well i think its better save money, then waste em on games, u will quite late rin ur life.

It depends on how you measure worth and waste. I don't think anyone is advocating spending thousands of dollars on a game. However, if it is your perogative to spend some money on entertainment, how is it such a terrible thing to invest in a game, especially considering how long term of a game this one is?

And ruin your life? How is a moderate and healthy expenditure on entertainment going to ruin your life?

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

Lol, what else are you going to spend your coin on?

Claw on wasp? - fail.

You haven't changed since you first came on these boards,there's only your way everyone else is fail no matter what.It's kinda tiresome.

You and tearvalyrin or w/e his name was are 2 peas in a pod.

tweakz

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You haven't changed since you first came on these boards,there's only your way everyone else is fail no matter what.It's kinda tiresome.

You and tearvalyrin or w/e his name was are 2 peas in a pod.

And yet you fail to produce after all these posts a single more worthy goal. Nice try troll.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

I'd rather have protect on a Piggy than on a wasp.

Unless the frigging pet packs go on sale, I'm not getting a nix, and I'm selling my PF. Not worth it to spend so much money on it at this rate.

At least PF is coming down in price... It was 20k per, down to 16k per. But still, that's just stupid expensive, especially when nobody is buying TT mats, molds, etc., because of the stupid R8/R9 gear. b:shocked

If pet packs go on sale, I might reconsider.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

tweakz wrote: »

And yet you fail to produce after all these posts a single more worthy goal. Nice try troll.

A few things comparable in cost to a nix which are at least worth considering getting first:
Getting your 89/92 skills. (54m for the skill clip, and that's still not all of them)
Getting TT99. (Ok, that's not so expensive this month)
Getting Rank6 weapon. (But this is ridonkulously impossible to attain)
Getting Rank9. (Hah!)
Getting nirvana gear. (Raptures are STILL ridiculously expensive, even with the rank sale)
Hell, even a decent pile of charms!
..you know, pretty much anything you could spend coin on?

You sir are a TROLL. GO AWAY.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

A few things comparable in cost to a nix which are at least worth considering getting first:
Getting your 89/92 skills. (54m for the skill clip, and that's still not all of them)
Getting TT99. (Ok, that's not so expensive this month)
Getting Rank6 weapon. (But this is ridonkulously impossible to attain)
Getting Rank9. (Hah!)
Getting nirvana gear. (Raptures are STILL ridiculously expensive, even with the rank sale)
Hell, even a decent pile of charms!
..you know, pretty much anything you could spend coin on?

You sir are a TROLL. GO AWAY.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

I'm going to troll this thread full of trolling.

At 15k per PF, you're looking at 150,000,000 just for a nix.

So, EVERYTHING YOU LISTED is cheaper than a Nix, combined, except the Rank9 gear.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

The skills and rank6 are both roughly that much (assuming you try to get alll the skills and don't get ridiculously lucky)

Nirvana is 100 or 250 uncanny/rapture per piece. That's easily a comparable cost.

I admit, you'd have to buy a lot of charms to be comparable though.

I'm not denying that the nix is aspirational. I already agreed that!
I am pointing out that it's basically impossible to attain for the average player now and there's a heck of a lot of stuff to gain first which is just as unattainable and arguably equally important.

I'd rather have protect on a Piggy than on a wasp.

Now that's an interesting question. Although... what do you need the air tank for? Even the nix can't do, for example, jewelscalan (at my level at least, though I've seen bigger venos fail it too and resort to luring to land and using a herc)
I was thinking purely in terms of a DD airpet.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

b:victory lol fail troll atm.


sawfly w claw is epic and ONLY 1 on server w 1b:laugh

why its waste,. its more waste use 80m on pet <.<* i don't only have claw but pdef/mdef buff aswell atm- not put em on pet yet tho XD

whats point w nix/herc . i use my sis act if i wnat play w those tho <.< she have herc/nix- work fine for me use her char. but i only like do tt w it.

tweakz i think u don't play pwi:P cuz ur not on any servers,and i have seen char named tweakz on privat server.

tweaks plays pwi I can assure you of this as I have seen a screenshot of him and his herc.You would want to look on HT server but it is big map and pming him he might not reply.

To Healforwimps.where is your proof you even play Veno.

Bluelita - Archosaur

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I only mentioned herc and tt runs because of:


RE:TT - see other thread.



I still don't follow you. What I understand this to mean is that you shouldn't get a herc/nix if you have access to one or friends to help with one specific instance that most have said is not the money maker. Please elaborate.



Ever try merchanting with a semi-perma catchop? I did this in college. Had pw run in the background while I brought my laptop to class and took notes. That alone earned more than enough money for a legendary pet. Yes, the legendary pets are expensive, but they should be due to their superiority. They aren't a necessity to play the game, but I find it hard to believe that anyone nearing top levels who deals with enough money to even consider getting one wouldn't. It's like a BM- do you invest in 5APS? Depends on your budget. But if you deal in enough money to get it, I don't see why you wouldn't.



How would you waste $500+ as per this discussion? Last I checked, a legendary pet costs ~$200 if you buy it straight from the cash shop while there is no sale. Even if you buy both, you are still at around $400.

As far as quitting goes, you should think about how long you are going to play before making that investment. If the investment is purely in game coin, then how does it matter? It's not like you can convert your coin to gold and get money out of playing the game. If the purchase is made from real money, then the game can be considered as a consumable good. If you spend $14 on a 2-hour movie and enjoyed that movie, was it a waste? I'd assume you "quit" the theatre after the movie ended. Now let's say you got popcorn and a soda, putting the cost at around $25 for the 2-hour period. So if a legendary pet costs $200, then it's roughly the equivalent of 8 2-hour movies. This 16 hours can be split into 2-3 hour gaming sessions each night for a week. Do you not get the enjoyment out of the legendary after the week is up? Do you quit the game after a week?

This example may be a bit extreme, but:





It depends on how you measure worth and waste. I don't think anyone is advocating spending thousands of dollars on a game. However, if it is your perogative to spend some money on entertainment, how is it such a terrible thing to invest in a game, especially considering how long term of a game this one is?

And ruin your life? How is a moderate and healthy expenditure on entertainment going to ruin your life?

Well you can also calculate things differently. But it will depend of your age.
Why? It is very simple : let's consider you are still learing at college/school/university and you don't have a job. Then the amount of time you spend playing is the one who normally should be from the beginning the time of leisure (school time - learning time - leisure time). Then the time you use for playing can possibly influence also your social relations, so the cost of the play is this of relation/friendship.
When you then have a job, you can also think about how much costs your hour of work. More you play, less you have time for : your family, friends, everyday life activities or also some extra work. if you then use the same calculation of costs than these of your work, it can mean sometimes it is cheaper to pay some money to get some item in game for real coins than to spend one week grinding for it. Then the cost of the play is also the one of real money - the one you possibly "loose" playing.
Then also it can be important for some people to pay some things ingame by game coins and then to really obtain it by their own ingame work than that from the outgame life.
Logically then, when you have more time and less money, it can be more useful to buy things for ingame money. When you have few time, it's sometimes better to spare it by spending some real life money.. But of course it is all a question of priorities...

tweakz

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

A few things comparable in cost to a nix which are at least worth considering getting first:
Getting your 89/92 skills. (54m for the skill clip, and that's still not all of them)
Getting TT99. (Ok, that's not so expensive this month)
Getting Rank6 weapon. (But this is ridonkulously impossible to attain)
Getting Rank9. (Hah!)
Getting nirvana gear. (Raptures are STILL ridiculously expensive, even with the rank sale)
Hell, even a decent pile of charms!
..you know, pretty much anything you could spend coin on?

You sir are a TROLL. GO AWAY.

*89 Skills are cheap and no way comparison.
*TT99 is over priced and not worth settling on, same as 90: I suggest Legendary -> 2nd tier Nirvana and Rank 8 or 9
Raptures aren't ridiculously expensive for a 100+ Herc / Nix veno

U R a Pathetic name caller. GO AWAY b:cry

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

tweakz wrote: »

*89 Skills are cheap and no way comparison.
*TT99 is over priced and not worth settling on, same as 90: I suggest Legendary -> 2nd tier Nirvana and Rank 8 or 9
Raptures aren't ridiculously expensive for a 100+ Herc / Nix veno

U R a Pathetic name caller. GO AWAY b:cry

None of which answers the fact that I have, AGAIN, answered your point and you have, AGAIN resorted to "None of that matter because xyz".

89/92 skills cost 54m for the clip, 3-5m per skill for the remaining ten and 1m per skill to use them. That's most certainly a comparable price to a nix.

That TT99 is overpriced I won't disagree with - but it is that price, and is a valid thing to try for before a nix.

Raptures still cost a stupid amount. That you can also grind them is about as relevant as saying that the sun rises in the east.


Is the nix worth it? The nix increases my coin income by about 15% over using my ranged pet - less than that over aoe grinding with the herc.
The nix increases xp gain by about the same.

Is that worth 150m? That's something that only an individual can answer.
I can tell you how many hours it'll take back what it cost you though. And it'll take fewer hours for the skills, or the 10% channelling weapon.


Once you HAVE all that stuff, why not get a nix? A much fairer question.
I guess the next ridiculously expensive thing to do is fund a new character.

And I call you a troll, because that is what you are doing.

tweakz

I don't think even the idiots fall for your nonsense. 15% gain is conservative, but even if: you would have people sacrifice that in favor of what you agree is over priced. b:chuckle Add to this that you would have the people you give advice to be such a high level before they get the pet that it will take them a lot of work just to catch it up. You sir are a ****.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

One hundred and fifty million.

One hundred and fifty million.


I think that at my level I have only just gotten to this amount, and that's only because the price of gold shot through the sky when I had quite a lot of it bought.

How, tweaks, do you honestly expect a non-cash-shop user to buy a nix before level 80 or so?

Yes - it is better and more fun by far to have it early.
But I don't think that is possible any more.

Aniella - Harshlands

I don't care what u guys do on pwi, just try 2 tell u THAT, if u spend over 400dollar, its waste. cuz later in ur life u must work , may have KIDS.
And maybe 1 DAY U HAVE PROB w money. and if U DIDN't spend em all ON GAME.
THAT prob had been GONE! think more in what happen in future.b:laugh

World we live in, is not easy, u always get prob w money no mater how rich u are. it not there forever xD

<.< lol my family use 1000kr = 100dollar in 4-5days we are just 4, and its on JUST FOOD! xD
lol food is expeisve <.< take 70% OF ALL MONEY U EARN IN UR LIFE!,

XD Lawl thats why i not waste 2 much on games, it ok 2 use a bit money 2 keep the game alive but w u pay 400dollar +, u have 2 take a brake, think about future LOL. even if u have no life. <_<


LOL want 2 know if i play? look at mah picturse peps, or vist PWI-Harslands.

PS tell me w u QQ and have no MOENy at age 30 LOL

Mauntille - Heavens Tear

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That TT99 is overpriced I won't disagree with - but it is that price, and is a valid thing to try for before a nix.

To be honest, I regret a lot of the TT99 farming I did. Comparing my armor (TT99 arcane wrists, pants, and boots; TT99 HA orn) and my husbands armor (a mix of TT90 green, a little gold, and 1 TT99 piece), there's really not that great of a benefit. The only advantages that I have are very slightly better refines, a -3% channel bonus, a -.05 int bonus for fox form, and I'm one step closer to taking some pieces nirvana if I so choose. And there are plenty of times when I swap out TT99 gear for something else more useful.

Even if you do choose the TT99 route, odds are you won't be farming it until 90+. Meanwhile, you can have your nix by your side shredding mobs before you and helping you earn coin faster. I would hate to wait until level 99, get a nix and then have to sit at staunch worms for hours getting the bird up to level.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Raptures still cost a stupid amount. That you can also grind them is about as relevant as saying that the sun rises in the east.

Actually, it's perfectly relevant. If you can get them for free, then that's coin in your pocket.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is the nix worth it? The nix increases my coin income by about 15% over using my ranged pet - less than that over aoe grinding with the herc.
The nix increases xp gain by about the same.

I get considerably more than 15% back with my nix. She's payed for herself a couple times over now.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is that worth 150m? That's something that only an individual can answer.
I can tell you how many hours it'll take back what it cost you though. And it'll take fewer hours for the skills, or the 10% channelling weapon.

As someone who farmed the Beamhoof, this is wrong. You need 35k rep (much easier now than it used to be; try getting up there by running fb59 over and over for stamps, eventually you stop and go pull out the herc/nix and grind your little tail off until you have enough money to buy the warsong emblems and other forms of tradable rep). Then, you need one of each of the 7 signs, made up of 10 of each badge. The Badges of Bravery are equivalent in value to the CoA ring, which puts it at 8-10 mil each badge, depending on the seller. That puts that sign alone at 80-100 mil. So about 1/7th of your sword is over half the cost of the nix. Or if you don't like running CoA or buying from people who do, you can always make these badges out of ToBL; one badge costs 4 of them. Badges of Courage and Strength aren't as stupidly expensive, but they're still but there.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Once you HAVE all that stuff, why not get a nix? A much fairer question.
I guess the next ridiculously expensive thing to do is fund a new character.

Because who wants to wait until endgame to get an ultimate pet? If you're talking TT99 and raptures, you're talking levels 99/100+. Get the nix early and it can help you get all of this.

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't care what u guys do on pwi, just try 2 tell u THAT, if u spend over 400dollar, its waste. cuz later in ur life u must work , may have KIDS.
And maybe 1 DAY U HAVE PROB w money. and if U DIDN't spend em all ON GAME.
THAT prob had been GONE! think more in what happen in future.b:laugh

World we live in, is not easy, u always get prob w money no mater how rich u are. it not there forever xD

<.< lol my family use 1000kr = 100dollar in 4-5days we are just 4, and its on JUST FOOD! xD
lol food is expeisve <.< take 70% OF ALL MONEY U EARN IN UR LIFE!,

XD Lawl thats why i not waste 2 much on games, it ok 2 use a bit money 2 keep the game alive but w u pay 400dollar +, u have 2 take a brake, think about future LOL. even if u have no life. <_<


LOL want 2 know if i play? look at mah picturse peps, or vist PWI-Harslands.

PS tell me w u QQ and have no MOENy at age 30 LOL

This is a very slippery slope. First off, living and day to day expenditures vary from person to person, so you can't say that food will take 70% of your pay. If that were the case for me, I wouldn't be able to afford my rent every month, which I've never missed. No one advocates spending more money on a game (or any form of entertainment) than you have available. I never said you had to pay all the money at once. but if this was a pay to play game with monthly fees of around $20, you'd hit that $400 mark in 20 months; a shade over a year and a half. Play the market correctly and supplement the cost with in game coin and it becomes attainable much earlier.

You don't have to spend money on a game, and you don't have to spend money on entertainment in general. Although I would say that if you are not in an economic station where you can spend at least a little money on entertainment, comfort, or small luxuries, then something else in your life needs to change.

No, not everyone has a problem with money. Some people know how to budget.

While I'm not 30 yet, I'll let you know if I'm in massive debt and have no money then. But barring Act of God, I've got my finances planned out rather comfortably.

As a side note, you still haven't addressed the point that there are plenty of venos who get a herc/nix purely from in game coin at or before level 80.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually, it's perfectly relevant. If you can get them for free, then that's coin in your pocket.

Coin is coin. You can either keep the raptures, or have something else.

I get considerably more than 15% back with my nix. She's payed for herself a couple times over now.

Might have to start a new thread on this. Where?

Serious question. I've been mainly in OHT (where frankly, it sucks compared to using a ranged pet) and out at the cleavehands near harpy. That's where I timed my income.
Should I instead be killing really easy stuff in job -lots? Or slowly killing really hard stuff? If there's something that works better in your experience, I'm willing to try it.

As someone who farmed the Beamhoof...

Oh, yes the rep is now trivial. But as you say, you still need the badges! And... uh, we seem to agree that the beamhoof costs more than the nix, or did I misread you?

and yes - I'm afraid I do have to see the nix as something you aim towards in your end-game; not something you pick up in your 50s.

Think of an ordinary playing veno. They are level 30 and they just finally had 100k in hand.

They look at the price of gold, and the number of packs they will need. Even assuming they wait for a 50% off sale, there is no realistic way for them to get a nix before their 80s (and that's the slow-playing 80s I did - if they rush, then they'll be in their 90s easily)

Is it worth buying with real life money? That's a stupidly different question. It'll vary depending on how much rl money they have and how much they enjoy the game.

As a side note, you still haven't addressed the point that there are plenty of venos who get a herc/nix purely from in game coin at or before level 80.

Sure. I'm one of them.
I LOVE being one of them.

I could do it because gold cost 120k! And even then, I had to get lucky and time the 50% pet sales correctly.

It used to be possible and the advice I agreed with used to be "Get the herc, you'll easily farm the coin for the nix and it's not that great but it's nice so get it"

That advice, I believe, can no longer hold.
It's eight times as expensive to get the herc. The TT mats you can farm with the herc in your 70s are basically worthless and the herc will probably not pay for itself before you 90s, let alone a nix!

Mauntille - Heavens Tear

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Coin is coin. You can either keep the raptures, or have something else.

Or, you can keep the coin in your nix fund and farm all the raptures you need. Gain-gain as opposed to gain-loss.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Might have to start a new thread on this. Where?

Serious question. I've been mainly in OHT (where frankly, it sucks compared to using a ranged pet) and out at the cleavehands near harpy. That's where I timed my income.
Should I instead be killing really easy stuff in job -lots? Or slowly killing really hard stuff? If there's something that works better in your experience, I'm willing to try it.

I've stated before, I don't give out specifics on my best money making spots. That would only breed competition and make it harder for me to make money.

I will say to experiment and try new places. Pay attention to how fast you kill something, how many you can kill at once, and how much you earn per kill. Also, look at how populated the area is.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh, yes the rep is now trivial. But as you say, you still need the badges! And... uh, we seem to agree that the beamhoof costs more than the nix, or did I misread you?

You said "I can tell you how many hours it'll take back what it cost you though. And it'll take fewer hours for the skills, or the 10% channelling weapon." Which I took to mean "the channelling weapon is cheaper/faster to attain than the nix. Apologies for misunderstanding you.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

and yes - I'm afraid I do have to see the nix as something you aim towards in your end-game; not something you pick up in your 50s.

Think of an ordinary playing veno. They are level 30 and they just finally had 100k in hand.

They look at the price of gold, and the number of packs they will need. Even assuming they wait for a 50% off sale, there is no realistic way for them to get a nix before their 80s (and that's the slow-playing 80s I did - if they rush, then they'll be in their 90s easily)

Actually, as both of the legendary pets level as you level, I find that overall, it's more beneficial to have one from the beginning. This character, my second veno, was started so that I could level with my legendaries. Yes, it would have been a lot faster to just cube the herc and world grind the nix, but the legendary pets scale with your character, making them a greater investment early on. Yes they are expensive, but they are attainable. I find it more worthwhile to get a tool that will scale with you instead of scrounging for things that you can't use until end game anyway. Legendaries start to give you a return on your investment almost as soon as you get them. (Definitely as soon as you get them close to or at your level.)

But maybe I'm just a bit old fashioned. I don't buy in to the level as fast as you can hype. I find it much more worthwhile to take your time and develop the tools you have and have fun on the journey, not just the destination. So with this in mind, maybe it is too unrealistic to get a nix at a decent level.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is it worth buying with real life money? That's a stupidly different question. It'll vary depending on how much rl money they have and how much they enjoy the game.

I never said it was or wasn't. The channel of payment is up to the individual.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sure. I'm one of them.
I LOVE being one of them.

I could do it because gold cost 120k! And even then, I had to get lucky and time the 50% pet sales correctly.

It used to be possible and the advice I agreed with used to be "Get the herc, you'll easily farm the coin for the nix and it's not that great but it's nice so get it"

That advice, I believe, can no longer hold.
It's eight times as expensive to get the herc.

The comment I made was not addressed at what you had said, but at the implications that the only way to get a legendary anymore is to cashshop it and that those who do spend money on games are ruining their lives.

As for it being possible, I know someone who started playing this game after gold had reached 800k a piece and they still managed to get their first legendary (a nix, btw) before they hit level 40.

Things may be more expensive than they once were, but people in general have more money than they used to. Plus there have been introductions that have made some things much easier. The game changes. The economy changes. It's like life; adapt or get on welfare.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The TT mats you can farm with the herc in your 70s are basically worthless and the herc will probably not pay for itself before you 90s, let alone a nix!

As much as I dislike repeating myself...TT is not, nor has not been the most profitable use of a herc for quite some time.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

You said "I can tell you how many hours it'll take back what it cost you though. And it'll take fewer hours for the skills, or the 10% channelling weapon." Which I took to mean "the channelling weapon is cheaper/faster to attain than the nix. Apologies for misunderstanding you.

Ah, no - sorry. I meant that I feel that the slicer will be help you earn what it cost faster.

But maybe I'm just a bit old fashioned. I don't buy in to the level as fast as you can hype. I find it much more worthwhile to take your time and develop the tools you have and have fun on the journey, not just the destination. So with this in mind, maybe it is too unrealistic to get a nix at a decent level.

Well, I guess level isn't what's important - it's time.
I mean - I've been low 80s for what, six months now? But it is much harder to earn coin in your 30s than later on.
Starting a second veno to go with your pet is a great idea though.

As for it being possible, I know someone who started playing this game after gold had reached 800k a piece and they still managed to get their first legendary (a nix, btw) before they hit level 40.

Wow! How on earth? Did they artificially supress their level, or just merchant all the time?
Because I very much doubt they did it by killing monsters and taking their stuff.
... even the stupid-rare molds at that level don't sell for that much!

Mauntille - Heavens Tear

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ah, no - sorry. I meant that I feel that the slicer will be help you earn what it cost faster.

That makes more sense then, although I still think the nix will bring in more money. For one, there's the initial payment of the sword being higher than that of the nix. Even if you farm, it's negative coin because you could have sold the tradable items. Secondly, the sword has a level 90 requirement, so it also depends on when you get it. The earlier you get the nix, the more it'll make for you. Really I only see the sword as being more profitable is if you are very close to being able to solo something, have capped out your channel in other avenues, and need just a bit more speed to get the heals to land in time. Arguably, relentless courage, a second veno, and/or rb could be more worth your while.

I'm somewhat tempted to say that the sword is over-rated for it's cost. (Or at least what the cost was when I was working on mine.) But that's a different argument altogether.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wow! How on earth? Did they artificially supress their level, or just merchant all the time?
Because I very much doubt they did it by killing monsters and taking their stuff.
... even the stupid-rare molds at that level don't sell for that much!

He did a little of everything. He set up a catshop in CotL very early on where he'd merch bank/inventory extension items and low level mats. When he got to arch, he had a sizable amount to start merching the cheaper commodities. After that, I'm not sure what he did merch-wise, but knowing him, I'd say his portfolio was pretty diverse. He also stopped levelling a couple of times to become a farmer (for hay and fruit; first for his own bag and then later for merching). He also never ported, bought gear/mounts/fash or anything that wasn't necessary. I don't remember if it was every 500k or every mil, but he always squirrelled money away into the account stash (which you can put coin in even if you can't put items in), as his nix fund. "Out of sight; out of mind."

He's a bit of an extreme case, and it definitely took planning and dedication, but it's definitely doable.

As a side note, he didn't outright decide to spend the money on a nix until level 27ish, if I remember correctly. Until that point, the money was a "reserve for big boy toys".

thomasthundersword

well idk how old this thread is but i have this to say herc is a good TANK and works in dungeons BUT if you have a nix outside a dungeon it has lots of killing power and if you can kill that fast you dont need herc outside dungeons so i would say get the herc first but its a good idea to get the nix to even if you wont pvp and with my nix i got bash and the pets bleed it hits hard outside dungeons and is the best air pet and it has better stats then herc on resist and more life when buffed at same lvl well almost same :P go to ecatomb.net then pet tab then the pet simulater i dont know if i spelled that right but then use it to make a herc your lvl and nix your lvl and check the stats i think nix has = if not better pdef mdef HP i know it has better speed fastest pet infact at lvl 100 10ms at lvl 1 and 11ms at level 100 and as you know the stats on speed get better on the way to level upbut like i sed check the pet thing on ecatomb and for you ppl that cant aford a nix dont bash the ppl that can just like with charms any thing gold are money not yours go to hell and stop QQing about it you dont like it quit the game pwe wont care if you dont spend real money pwi dosent care its the ppl that spend money that pay for you ppl who dont pay to play this game well to keep the game runing GOOD BYE PWI FORUM EAT FISH