Genesis Mobs and an upset Veno

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  • Thedarkrealm - Lost City
    Thedarkrealm - Lost City Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They look nice now. Because when you tame them, they'll suffer the same thing as the current pets. Reduced resolution and missing features that their counterparts had. *Celestial Plumpfish is a good example..*

    Talk about missing features, the Eboney Hellduke is a good one too. The thing starts out big and scary looking but then you tame it and it turns into Seamonster Guardian, might as well be a totaly diffrent mob...
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  • Yindra - Sanctuary
    Yindra - Sanctuary Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Why do people still think that mystics can TAME anything?

    Their limited number of pets (only 4 that you can control like a veno pet) are summoned with skills from their skill tree...

    Which is no different from a Veno. I have exactly 4 pets (5 slots, one taken by the mount), only 2 of which are actually levelled (Magmite and Sawfly; Turtle and Marksman are far behind so I can actually only use 2 pets). Besides, a Venomancer can only summon one pet at a time... is this the case for Mystics too?

    They can still beat a Venomancer in the pet section, and I would expect them to do just that simply because they are a new class. Just look at how people complain about Assassins supposedly being overpowered and Psychics supposedly being the better wizards --- no surprise if Mystics end up being the better Venomancers and Earthguards end up being better whatever-their-counterpart-is. The not-so-great development crew of Perfect World, along with the need to make people start new chars to sell more levelling aids and other stuff almost guarantees this.
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  • Ao - Raging Tide
    Ao - Raging Tide Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    In one of the videos the mystic summoned two at once, so it seems they are able to summon more than one. b:victory
  • Liebe - Heavens Tear
    Liebe - Heavens Tear Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited December 2010
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    From what I've been able to gather, they can summon a mobile, healable, long duration tank pet, and a non-mobile, non-healable, short duration AOE trap pet. However, there's no variety to mystic pets; the skill sets the pet summoned, so all mystics will be using the same small variety of pets, unlike a venomancer who can choose from dozens to populate their up to 10 pet bag slots.
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  • revelution
    revelution Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Yindra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Which is no different from a Veno. I have exactly 4 pets (5 slots, one taken by the mount), only 2 of which are actually levelled (Magmite and Sawfly; Turtle and Marksman are far behind so I can actually only use 2 pets). Besides, a Venomancer can only summon one pet at a time... is this the case for Mystics too?

    They can still beat a Venomancer in the pet section, and I would expect them to do just that simply because they are a new class. Just look at how people complain about Assassins supposedly being overpowered and Psychics supposedly being the better wizards --- no surprise if Mystics end up being the better Venomancers and Earthguards end up being better whatever-their-counterpart-is. The not-so-great development crew of Perfect World, along with the need to make people start new chars to sell more levelling aids and other stuff almost guarantees this.

    well, i'm sure they can beat venomancers in the pet section, but venomancers aren't completely about pets like mystics seem to be. venomancers are well capable of fighting without their pet, and at end game most of them probably do fight with their pets as a support tool rather than actually dealing damage seeing as they usually die fast anyways.

    mystic skills seem to revolve around their pets, meaning if their pets are anything like a venomancer's pets at end game, they'll just wind up being slaughtered in pvp.
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    From what I've been able to gather, they can summon a mobile, healable, long duration tank pet, and a non-mobile, non-healable, short duration AOE trap pet. However, there's no variety to mystic pets; the skill sets the pet summoned, so all mystics will be using the same small variety of pets, unlike a venomancer who is restricted to spending $400 on a Herc and a Nix from the cash shop.

    Fixed it for you.

    I've heard 'up to 8 monsters at once' for Mystics. So. Who knows. My veno is practically a petless build, just uses pet for secondary tanking/debuffing/dding/pulling. Maybe mystic can replace the veno, and the veno can finally be laid to rest, since all of the veno's only good features have been nerfed anyway for the things they were originally designed for.

    I'm curious how they will introduce these new classes without making them super OP. Except... the fish are OP, so seriously, I'm not going to be surprised if they are super OP.

    I'm going to be happy if the Seeker can tank better than Barbs, though, as that class needs to be laid to rest too.

    I just hope that the Mystic don't use the whips that are up on some of the fan sites... If they do, I really won't be rolling one. That's just lame.
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  • Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver
    Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Venos can:
    - choose from a wide variety of pets
    - skill them to their liking, fitting them to any use they may need them for
    - have up to 10 of them

    the fact that a large share of venos stop at golem+fly / herc+nix, plus maybe some water addition, only means that a large share hasn't learned yet to fully utilize the power of veno class :P

    Mysties seem to be getting a pre-made set of pre-skilled summons (where's the place for creativity and individualism in that?), which they won't even have to level. So - they won't even get a chance to do anything wrong, lol

    In short: pet-wise, Mysties = Venos for Dummies ;)
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  • Tallain - Heavens Tear
    Tallain - Heavens Tear Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ok first off how do you KNOW none of these mobs are tamable? were you or whoever took those pics on a veno looking at the mob's bar? Cause i odn't see the bar to see if that little tame symbol's there or not....

    Second....Everyone who's saying Mystic could REPLACE a veno needs to stop and use their head. Now I haven't been keeping track of the info coming out, but do you honestly think they'd give out a free pet that can tank bosses like a herc (or walker, or herc'ed out walker)??? If they did, they might as well shoot themselves in the head now. I know the devs pull stupid stuff quite often actually.... but i hardly think they're THAT stupid as to effectively kill the need for anyone to want to buy a herc when there's a free equivalent. ijs...
  • Satalia - Heavens Tear
    Satalia - Heavens Tear Posts: 309 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Tallain - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ok first off how do you KNOW none of these mobs are tamable? were you or whoever took those pics on a veno looking at the mob's bar? Cause i odn't see the bar to see if that little tame symbol's there or not....


    A veno on the Chinese server went to the new area and took the pictures of the mobs in the opening post.

    For clarity and to make the image look nicer, the UI was turned off

    The pictures of those mobs were

    A) Linked to, to show how gorgeous they look

    and

    B) To show the mobs we missing out on taming

    I can assure you, being a level 102 veno, I know about the little tame symbol, and was told these mobs did NOT have one.
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  • Tallain - Heavens Tear
    Tallain - Heavens Tear Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    well u coulda mentioed b4 u did that.... all we see here's a pic of a mob.... lol

    and wow 102.. cool. grats..... i knew about the tame symbol at lvl 3..... ijs

    Edit: and ya then .. this blows lol... That golden looking rhino thing with the armor plate around the head looked interesting.
  • Silest - Sanctuary
    Silest - Sanctuary Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Fixed it for you.

    No, you only overexaggerated. While SoF has going up to 100mil for 9999... getting SoF from the CS is still at the most..200 bucks.. NOT 400 >_>.
  • paralleogram
    paralleogram Posts: 596 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    the rest of the map/mobs/classes etc needs to be revamped and refreshed a little.. otherwise the tideborn and earthguard areas are going to look really disjointed (not like it already doesnt).

    Would be nice for more cohesiveness and everything be updated.
    Here we go again....
  • Mraochan - Lost City
    Mraochan - Lost City Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Tallain - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ... do you honestly think they'd give out a free pet that can tank bosses like a herc (or walker, or herc'ed out walker)??? If they did, they might as well shoot themselves in the head now. I know the devs pull stupid stuff quite often actually.... but i hardly think they're THAT stupid as to effectively kill the need for anyone to want to buy a herc when there's a free equivalent. ijs...

    I think you're on to something there...

    Did you honestly think they'd introduce a reward to Cube that instantly doubled the price of gold, and at the same time, rendered the reward useless? Or how about when they did away with TW pay? Changed the UI for no reason at all? Put your favorite rare mount in the cashshop permanently? Put packs in the cashshop permanently? Put 1250 rep for sale for 45 silver as emergency maintenance? R9, "we're trying to bring the economy back down to earth, a few months later gold cap in AH is raised to 3.99mil? lol etc, etc... this is a very condensed list, I don't care to remember them all.

    Hey I'm not QQing, I'm just saying... Nothing is sacred in PW. As long as you're ok with that, you'll have a good time.

    And the tideborn golem having significantly better stats than the previous Crystal/Volcanic Magmite makes it a much closer replacement for a herc. Never put herc skills on one, but I imagine it would work well.

    /2cents
  • Tsubakey - Heavens Tear
    Tsubakey - Heavens Tear Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    tbh all mobs should be tamable except for elites and bosses obviously.
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  • Edyn - Dreamweaver
    Edyn - Dreamweaver Posts: 317 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Any new nes yet about the mobs? Like the regions that weren't investigated yet maybe found any tameable?
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  • Evict - Heavens Tear
    Evict - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,301 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Have I replied to this thread yet? If not, RELEVANTPOST POST.
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  • Satalia - Heavens Tear
    Satalia - Heavens Tear Posts: 309 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Edyn - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Any new nes yet about the mobs? Like the regions that weren't investigated yet maybe found any tameable?

    A good few hours (6 I think) spent wandering around

    Result?

    0


    None, nada, zilch were found to be tameable right from level 1 to a level 100 that was seen.

    I have to come to the conclusion none are tameable.

    Did the Devs 'forget' to make some tameable?

    Are they yet to decide which ones to make tameable?


    All I can say is I REALLY REALLY hope some are made tameable by the time we get this in February.


    Or I'm gonna have a huge sulk ......



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    [edit] Pics of some more mobs - taken from a distance as they have an aggro range and the character was only level 1 b:surrender

    http://yfrog.com/2g20101213145715px

    Ooooooh those pictures show where the Snowmen hide out when it's not Christmas now as well >.>
    See if you can spot them ^^
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  • LadyofReal - Heavens Tear
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,993 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    You wouldn't have a map of what the map looks like after the expansion, would you?
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  • Shulkie - Dreamweaver
    Shulkie - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,529 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    check out the official genesis thread, or lupa's earthguard guide - there are images linked in both of those i think
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  • Lutirica - Harshlands
    Lutirica - Harshlands Posts: 1,437 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    well one of the classes can have pets i think that is funny b:chuckle
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  • Satalia - Heavens Tear
    Satalia - Heavens Tear Posts: 309 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You wouldn't have a map of what the map looks like after the expansion, would you?

    Territory Map:

    http://img688.imageshack.us/i/mapyu.jpg

    Map: (large size)

    http://www.4shared.com/photo/fullsize/fu8OwAnF/perfectworldmapGenesis.html



    @Lutirica

    Hmmmmm people are in two minds as to whether to call the Mystics ones 'pets' or not. They are no more, really, than entities that can be summoned when needed, always at the same level as the user (no need to level them), they need no feeding, and you are totally limited to the ones you 'learn' on your skill tree, whereas a veno can tame those that are shown as tameable all over the map, you can 'pick and choose' and totally customise the pet by adding/taking skills you can buy to them (not found out info whether this can be done with a Mystic summoned entity or not yet)

    I guess it depends on your definition of 'pet' here, but I was just trying to find out if the Venos would be able to have fun, as they did when the Tideborn expansion came out, by finding new pets to tame, and their strengths and weaknesses. Venos found out fairly quickly that at least one of the pets was well worth taming in the tideborn map as it had better stats when higher than the normal Magmite we tamed when lower level. It would be nice if we had some we could capture in this new area that could possibly make a good tanking pet, or air (I WANT A DRAGONFLY >.<) pet, at a low level and level up with us, especially for those who cannot afford the herc/nix or choose not to have them.

    Also it seems we have been limited with the All Class pets that can be made. This used to be a good source of income for a veno a looooong while back. If ONLY we could make a few all class pets from some of these new ones, as you can see, they are REALLY gorgeous, it would be a nice bonus, not only for venos, but those wanting a great looking pet to show off with/talk to (?)



    I'm just hoping a GM reads this and passes the info to the Devs, so MAYBE just maybe.....we could get this in our version, as everyone seems to think venos are going to be 'replaced' with Mystics.


    I won't be holding my breath though ....
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  • HealingBliss - Lost City
    HealingBliss - Lost City Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    They are all simply beatiful b:dirty such a shame...

    if not tameable, I want at least a mount looking like one of those:
    http://img822.imageshack.us/i/201012091113310002.png/
    http://img843.imageshack.us/i/201012091044350002.png/
    for my incoming alt mystie altie b:chuckle (my veno shall stay true to her foxie)

    ...or like a blue-green deer you can see in the town
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c5jVrge_Xc - from around 0:50
    it would be PERFECT b:cute

    also I've seen some interesting mobs on earthguard fb19 video, can't find it right now, but they looked like a mix of goats and FF-style behemoths b:pleased

    To be honest i didnt have high hopes for this expansion. That landscape is beautiful and i've forgotten how fun it was to walk to a new city, not auto path and fly but adventure and look around. I am very excited about this and i can't wait to make a seeker and just forget about my ep's non stop FCC and HH.
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  • A_newb - Archosaur
    A_newb - Archosaur Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Satalia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    b:cry


    BEAUTIFUL mobs, none tameable.......

    The most popular class in PWI, just got b:fatb on by PWE b:laughb:laugh
  • lolurank8
    lolurank8 Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    A_newb - Archosaur wrote: »
    The most popular class in PWI, just got b:fatb on by PWE b:laughb:laugh

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  • Born_Again_ - Sanctuary
    Born_Again_ - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I know this aint mainstream or popular, but i wanna say it anyway. b:cute

    I'm still weaiting for a legendary water pet (yes, i know theres a bigger chance to win the lottery), i spend alot of the summer diving, and just have a liking of the underwater atmosphere in any MMO that has it. b:bye

    Perhaps half the price (100 bucks) of the other nix/herc since content for it is smaller (no horn in the forehead thou plz).
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  • FallinShadow - Heavens Tear
    FallinShadow - Heavens Tear Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Edyn - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I agree..was so looking forward to new tameable pets as are many veno's. Now we see they look so cute and for what I see alot more detailed and colorfull then most of our current pets!
    Anyways they should at least let us tame some of them b:sad
    And @ Segreta yeah lol I know we dont need 10+ pets for grinding and so on but still we're veno's and I would love it to if I could keep all my pets near me. Now my poor Piggy and Kitty need to wait in storage b:lipcurl

    Just doesnt make any sense though why they make them untameable. With TB expansion we we're able to get the glacial walker as some sort of improvement for the golems. Ok by stats not really a big difference but by looks I liked the glacial alot more. Not that they have to feed us each update with new pets but come on, a new class with pets and not even allows us to have few off those new cuty pets.
    I really hope the mystics cant tame these ones either if we cant though. That would really **** me off..

    Luck for us Mystics can't tame, they summon and their summons are beautifuul :D
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