Impact of new boutique prices
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Man - Raging Tide wrote: »Rank 8 is that much different from lunar bow?
rank8 bow +3 with 2x flawless garnet --> Physical Attack 1292-2316
(+ gratis: one of best LA chests, pretty decent legs, amazing ring)
HS +8 with 2x garnet gem --> Physical Attack 1267-1972
i have both.. and yap, HS is obsolete now.. rank9 bow is new HS, rank8 gear is new tt90..
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conclusion - charge 100$, hyper to 100, buy rank8, buy few mirages and one shot guy who farmed for his stuff for a year..0 -
If you want to justify HS > R8 bow then you're gonna have to get the Jaden Emperor's Defiance and get some tastey procs on it... of course you could end up like someone we know and get +19 magic on your second grade Nirvana weapon when it's a dex weapon.
If your Jaden bow looks like...
Physical Attack +100
Maximum Physical Attack +130
Atk. Level +20
and then yeah, it will kick the **** out of the R8 bow... but to get that kind of second grade nirvana bow you're looking at some 40m for the HS and 250 raptures + however many times you reforge for those procs and lets say 1m = $1 and raptures are still 2m each.
R8 = $72 and 1m to get the bow. $73 to get the R8 bow.
Jaiden = $40 + $500 to get the 250 raptures + $14 for each reforge.
Value for money, R8 bow FTW0 -
Man - Raging Tide wrote: »
Most are oblivious and are enjoying questing to level 80, grinding on mobs, doing dq and dq and one man armies. Grinding on foxwings or spiders. Trying ever so hard to find a tank for jewels or krimson or gouf.
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Jajaja , talk about how cool is end-game though .It's all about LoL,yo.0 -
Sabre - Raging Tide wrote: »If you want to justify HS > R8 bow then you're gonna have to get the Jaden Emperor's Defiance and get some tastey procs on it... of course you could end up like someone we know and get +19 magic on your second grade Nirvana weapon when it's a dex weapon.
If your Jaden bow looks like...
Physical Attack +100
Maximum Physical Attack +130
Atk. Level +20
and then yeah, it will kick the **** out of the R8 bow... but to get that kind of second grade nirvana bow you're looking at some 40m for the HS and 250 raptures + however many times you reforge for those procs and lets say 1m = $1 and raptures are still 2m each.
R8 = $72 and 1m to get the bow. $73 to get the R8 bow.
Jaiden = $40 + $500 to get the 250 raptures + $14 for each reforge.
Value for money, R8 bow FTW
Have to inform you thats quite incorrect, it wont kick the **** out of R8..why? because the difference between +12 Jaden and +12 R8 is so tiny its not even worth mentioning. Its 100 base dmg on both low and high difference, sure the advance purge is great but not worth the trouble. The only reason I showed it as +12 is because Jaden has 1 grade higher then R8 which puts the refine bouns higher.
Jaden and regular HS has the great difference of...600 more attk points for 600mill (This is calc before R8 came, I have no clue what raptures goes for atm).
I highly doubt anyone would rather have +20 atk lvl, Physical Attack +100 and Maximum Physical Attack +130 insted of interval, dex and advanced purge since its tbh...better.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I prefer adv purge dex and max attack0
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errrr how is r8 better than all other gear for me? o.o for sins the only r8 gear ull rlly be keepin is the top so u can hit 5aps. i guess wizzys are goin r8 because no one likes them in nirvanna? has anyone actually seen a r8 bm? r8 is not rlly changin the game as much as ppl are sayin. i still need to farm nirvanna just as much as i had to before r8 came out. anddd for all the ppl sayin that farmin nirvanna is pointless now can i has ur raps/cannys? b:thanksis it jus me or does every thread turn into a flame thread at some point? wheres the love?? b:cry
WTF is a gank? -_- its called pvp0 -
r8 wepaon>g13 nirvana also for sinsTwsted - Raging Tide wrote: »errrr how is r8 better than all other gear for me? o.o for sins the only r8 gear ull rlly be keepin is the top so u can hit 5aps. i guess wizzys are goin r8 because no one likes them in nirvanna? has anyone actually seen a r8 bm? r8 is not rlly changin the game as much as ppl are sayin. i still need to farm nirvanna just as much as i had to before r8 came out. anddd for all the ppl sayin that farmin nirvanna is pointless now can i has ur raps/cannys? b:thanks0 -
For me it's not about the rank 8 availability that's so bad, but how much easier it became to get r9. While people still have to drop a lot of $$ to get r9 pieces, a set like r9 should never be available in the boutique because it's so game-breaking. Something like that should take forever and a day to farm. It shouldn't be available with one swipe of the card.0
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Mirko - Raging Tide wrote: »rank8 bow +3 with 2x flawless garnet --> Physical Attack 1292-2316
(+ gratis: one of best LA chests, pretty decent legs, amazing ring)
HS +8 with 2x garnet gem --> Physical Attack 1267-1972
i have both.. and yap, HS is obsolete now.. rank9 bow is new HS, rank8 gear is new tt90..
EDIT:
conclusion - charge 100$, hyper to 100, buy rank8, buy few mirages and one shot guy who farmed for his stuff for a year..
You missed the point Man was making. It is not that he was comparing r8 bow to lunar bow, he was alluding to the fact that before rank sale people were cashshopping gear to pwn people in pvp.
Before r8, people had lunar bows from CSing and outperformed people who farmed TT bows and xbows. Nothing has changed. People with money always have an edge.0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »You missed the point Man was making. It is not that he was comparing r8 bow to lunar bow, he was alluding to the fact that before rank sale people were cashshopping gear to pwn people in pvp.
Before r8, people had lunar bows from CSing and outperformed people who farmed TT bows and xbows. Nothing has changed. People with money always have an edge.
What about gold prices genius ? b:cuteIt's all about LoL,yo.0 -
TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »What about gold prices genius ? b:cute
105k like on sanctuary for around 7 month?0 -
Before considering rank armor,
First think about this:
What is your hp?
What are your defenses?
What is left to remedy the +30 atk jones blessing in pvp?
Now:
What is now the price of dragon orbs in coins? in gold?
Finally:
How much harder do rank weapons hit?
(TT99+7<unrefined R8 weapon; with r8, I hit 5k noncrit, nonbuffed, no debuffs on LA)
PvP has transformed, but into what?
-Sins are still as (and even more) dominant now with their anti-1 shot skill and the ability to hit first.
-Rank8 is balanced only when you have the refines to match the price it was once at.
-Skills are irrelevant in a "whoever hits first one-shots the other" situation.
Everyone is weak except the people that charge cash right now to refine their new rank8 (or 9) armors and their ornaments. b:bye0 -
ShadowX - Raging Tide wrote: »Before considering rank armor,
First think about this:
What is your hp?
What are your defenses?
What is left to remedy the +30 atk jones blessing in pvp?
Now:
What is now the price of dragon orbs in coins? in gold?
Finally:
How much harder do rank weapons hit?
(TT99+7<unrefined R8 weapon; with r8, I hit 5k noncrit, nonbuffed, no debuffs on LA)
PvP has transformed, but into what?
-Sins are still as (and even more) dominant now with their anti-1 shot skill and the ability to hit first.
-Rank8 is balanced only when you have the refines to match the price it was once at.
-Skills are irrelevant in a "whoever hits first one-shots the other" situation.
Everyone is weak except the people that charge cash right now to refine their new rank8 (or 9) armors and their ornaments. b:bye
And instead of that people could get r9. The unrefined weapon is superior to a r8 +12 one while the r9 armors have the same defenses as lunar-nirvana ones . Let's not forget that the set gives much more attack lvl than it gives def lvl .
So even in gears of the same overall value the defenses & hp just can't match the insane amount of dmg that one can have .
Whatever was left of pvp balance is now broken .
Even between 2 factions of similar strength a TW is gonna be a 1-2 shot fest between ranged classes & melee classes will be close to obsolete and should consider themselves lucky if they can get close ( sins will probably still do nicely since they got high spike dmg besides just aps , can avoid 1 shots and can get close with stealth ) .It's all about LoL,yo.0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »You missed the point Man was making. It is not that he was comparing r8 bow to lunar bow, he was alluding to the fact that before rank sale people were cashshopping gear to pwn people in pvp.
Before r8, people had lunar bows from CSing and outperformed people who farmed TT bows and xbows. Nothing has changed. People with money always have an edge.
Ummmmmmm...........you have no ide how wrong you are or he is if thats what he meant with it. R8 and Lunar weps has a huge difference and lets not forget, lunar insignia went for 60mill before the R8 patch and now you can get yourself an armor, leggings and wep thats better then TT99 and lunar for 10mill extra.
Mirko even showed how big of a difference R8 and Lunar weps are or maybe you didnt notice how much extra refine the lunar wep needed who has a G15 refine state while R8 has G14.
If your talking about CSing difference, I'd have to inform you thats a huge difference. I can honestly say 70$ is nothing compared to getting money for..
A) Insignia,
Dragon orbs/mirages+tiens/tishas. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nadis - Sanctuary wrote: »Ummmmmmm...........you have no ide how wrong you are or he is if thats what he meant with it. R8 and Lunar weps has a huge difference and lets not forget, lunar insignia went for 60mill before the R8 patch and now you can get yourself an armor, leggings and wep thats better then TT99 and lunar for 10mill extra.
Mirko even showed how big of a difference R8 and Lunar weps are or maybe you didnt notice how much extra refine the lunar wep needed who has a G15 refine state while R8 has G14.
If your talking about CSing difference, I'd have to inform you thats a huge difference. I can honestly say 70$ is nothing compared to getting money for..
A) Insignia, Dragon orbs/mirages+tiens/tishas.
You're missing the point. Point is not damage of either weapon, nor the cost.
It's the fact that before rank sale people were cash shopping OP gear. Whining about r8+ is silly when it's just the same thing that's been going on.0 -
TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »What about gold prices genius ? b:cute
Gold prices skyrocketed before rank sale because of tiger pack sales, Dumas b:victory0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »Gold prices skyrocketed before rank sale because of tiger pack sales, Dumas b:victory
Uninstall this ****ing game idiot. Gold prices were at 650-700k with 50 silver packs. When rep came out it was at around 1.3mil for a bit. Stop speaking out of your ***.
Also, Rank 8 is so flippin' boring. I do 10k Crits on BM's/Barbs with Metal Skills unsparked with only EP. There's no fun in 2second 1v1's. It's why I prefer to use my Lunar bow over the Rank 8 for PK'ing. **** 2/3 second 1-2hit PvP now. It's so incredibly dull.0 -
Russiee - Raging Tide wrote: »I do 10k Crits on BM's/Barbs with Metal Skills unsparked with only EP.
Fuzzy would be curious to see what sort of gear these barbs are wearing..... b:puzzled
Even Luci's +11 sphere doesn't hit for 10k b:laugh0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »You're missing the point. Point is not damage of either weapon, nor the cost.
It's the fact that before rank sale people were cash shopping OP gear. Whining about r8+ is silly when it's just the same thing that's been going on.
Honestly, you eather explain things like Veritas or you just made those posts for count because I've answered everything you said and I still miss your point. b:bye
Who said its R8 we're all whining about? You dont understand what its about now do you...This game gets easier and easier and the only people suffering are those who are working hard for their gears while new players can get it all with a creditcard.
Cash shopping has existed since the opening off PW, yes but if you havent been long enough to see the difference you shouldnt be acting like you know what your talking about. Gold used to be once 80-100k and guess what bontique was there but there wasnt any packs, R8s, orb sale every week, 2x drops, gem gamble and list goes on.
Did that answer your question or is there any other point I missed that doesnt exist? This isnt a QQ post, im more like curious on what your point was.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Russiee - Raging Tide wrote: »Uninstall this ****ing game idiot. Gold prices were at 650-700k with 50 silver packs. When rep came out it was at around 1.3mil for a bit. Stop speaking out of your ***.
Also, Rank 8 is so flippin' boring. I do 10k Crits on BM's/Barbs with Metal Skills unsparked with only EP. There's no fun in 2second 1v1's. It's why I prefer to use my Lunar bow over the Rank 8 for PK'ing. **** 2/3 second 1-2hit PvP now. It's so incredibly dull.
You're full of it. It went up to 900k the week before rep sale. And even you're not inclined to use your memory banks in a proper manner, it was 1m when 50 badges were $4.50. And there wasn't so much nerdrage at that price of badges.
And it sounds like you're the one who needs to uninstall. You QQ about everything under the sun. And nerdrage just as much.
"QQ Man butthurt me with censorship."
"QQ QQme this QQme that."
Being a 17-year-old, you should go find something to do that makes you happy. Obviously PWI has turned you into a sad sad little man who can't even keep chronological orders of stuff in the game.
Whining so much solves so much...0 -
Geez...
This thread is a pretty interesting read, but don't let it derail into simply flaming each other back and forth. Otherwise Fuzzy will be forced to close it.... b:surrender0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »You're full of it. It went up to 900k the week before rep sale. And even you're not inclined to use your memory banks in a proper manner, it was 1m when 50 badges were $4.50. And there wasn't so much nerdrage at that price of badges.
And it sounds like you're the one who needs to uninstall. You QQ about everything under the sun. And nerdrage just as much.
"QQ Man butthurt me with censorship."
"QQ QQme this QQme that."
Being a 17-year-old, you should go find something to do that makes you happy. Obviously PWI has turned you into a sad sad little man who can't even keep chronological orders of stuff in the game.
Whining so much solves so much...
Reasoning never worked on Trolling Tides now did it ?
Oh well , we tried
So hey Zav , you related to NuBlade ? b:cuteIt's all about LoL,yo.0 -
TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »And instead of that people could get r9. The unrefined weapon is superior to a r8 +12 one while the r9 armors have the same defenses as lunar-nirvana ones . Let's not forget that the set gives much more attack lvl than it gives def lvl .
So even in gears of the same overall value the defenses & hp just can't match the insane amount of dmg that one can have .
Whatever was left of pvp balance is now broken .
Even between 2 factions of similar strength a TW is gonna be a 1-2 shot fest between ranged classes & melee classes will be close to obsolete and should consider themselves lucky if they can get close ( sins will probably still do nicely since they got high spike dmg besides just aps , can avoid 1 shots and can get close with stealth ) .
nah forget it pimp with r9 weapon a sin stil have only 4-5k physical def ( i think pooh has 10k all +12? idk) u get so much bramble damage even of clerics now (a personw ith more then 8k physical def isnt that easy to kill in tw when they have bramble)0 -
Yeah prices change so what.
Like Borsuc says if PW wanted to make rank 8 more attainable they should have also added some sort of comparable in game farming method. Like 1k rep one man armies. 2 more glaring problems imo than this rep and chip sale are... Jones blessings, and the glory medal things being in the CS and available with dq rewards.
Lets face it, some of the top players of each class ARE non Cash shoppers.
Dancing eyes = zero dollas
Harry Dresden = 20$
Ben the bm = very very little
Shoosha = ?
Russiee = given lunar bow multiple times
Untill a venomancer is better than dancing i'm going to have to say skill + knowledge + experience beats cash shoppers.
I am not banking on the expansion to fix things, but if they have gear upgrade from g15 nirvana it will be a good start. If they put in +5 defense gems +3 attack gems +20 vit stones... it will also go a ways in balancing imba r9 set bonus's, or making people pay for good shards now for their rank, then pay again later.
I am a barb so i don't get one shot or die quickly that often. light armor classes hmmm. They always haven't always been glass cannons?
Take lian lian, he had 4k hp with rank 8... yes i bet he tanked people in tw's! If people want to be overbalanced on the offensive side that is their choice to play glass cannon.
Last consider a person who cash shops rank 9 (no way else to get it) They will bore themselves to death in game, kind of like pooh full +12, no where else to go my friend enjoy your monotony while others still have things to enjoy.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Man - Raging Tide wrote: »Untill a venomancer is better than dancing i'm going to have to say skill + knowledge + experience beats cash shoppers.
Cash shopping > setting alarm clock at 3 am to solo a WB , ijsI am a barb so i don't get one shot or die quickly that often. light armor classes hmmm. They always haven't always been glass cannons?
You're in a faction that outnumbers & outgears every1 else in the server whether it's in TW , weekly events or PK . You have no way to see that brah b:byeLast consider a person who cash shops rank 9 (no way else to get it) They will bore themselves to death in game, kind of like pooh full +12, no where else to go my friend enjoy your monotony while others still have things to enjoy.
That's been tried with QQme & crystal TWs , didn't work b:laughIt's all about LoL,yo.0 -
TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »Reasoning never worked on Trolling Tides now did it ?
Oh well , we tried
So hey Zav , you related to NuBlade ? b:cute
If you had any bit of reasoning, would you really be posting on a forum for a game you think is dead?
By the way, I happened to see an interesting Leviathan forum post by a venomancer who quit while you were leader. Given that you're a terribad leader, I would fathom your pride is hurt a bit. You couldn't win the game, so you gave up?0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »If you had any bit of reasoning, would you really be posting on a forum for a game you think is dead?
By the way, I happened to see an interesting Leviathan forum post by a venomancer who quit while you were leader. Given that you're a terribad leader, I would fathom your pride is hurt a bit. You couldn't win the game, so you gave up?
Yes I was a terribad leader . I didn't kick a QQme veno that was already in squad with me from previous nirvanas so that said Levi veno could join on the next runs b:victory
You guys must also love Levi forums , I even saluted you a few times . Saw that too ? b:cute
SPY MOAR
And .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgTNc2uNt_A&feature=related enjoy !It's all about LoL,yo.0 -
Yo I'm so cool I get bored of 1 shotting other classes and then rage about it on forums.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Spying? You guys didn't revoke peoples' forum access. Isn't spying when you let people have access to your stuff.TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »
Yes I was a terribad leader . I didn't kick a QQme veno that was already in squad with me from previous nirvanas so that said Levi veno could join on the next runs b:victory
You guys must also love Levi forums , I even saluted you a few times . Saw that too ? b:cute
SPY MOAR
And .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgTNc2uNt_A&feature=related enjoy !
Sure, you gave me shout outs. But it only goes to show that you care about me because ITROLLEDULOLOLOLZ.0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »
Sure, you gave me shout outs. But it only goes to show that you care about me because ITROLLEDULOLOLOLZ.
Oh so you're a Yulk relative Your posts here + this thread http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=938752 kinda prove it b:laugh
What happened to the funny trolls though ?
It's all about LoL,yo.0
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