Why does archer have winged pledge?

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Winged pledge is a completely fail skill, slow maybe useful for demon archers (then again, slow could be used from frost arrow), other than that, most likely you are dead when you are using this, I had this problem when I still had problems playing as archer.

What is the point of this skill? One of the melee skills, wingspan is situational, but winged pledge is just flat out useless. You are meleeing in light armor with no defense bonus skill besides winged shell which is rather used for MP regen in most occasions.

Take aim > stunning arrow > deadly shot > aim low/ knockback arrow > quickshot > repeat is rather a nice combination. frost arrow works when mob is like 15 meters away from you, allowing you to kite easier. I never use winged pledge, because it is useless to be in melee range, easier to die this way while your attack suffers anyway.

Not useful for squad or solo...

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

One-shotting close range squishies.

Deora - Lost City

Deeper and deeper down into the hole of idiocy you go...

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »

One-shotting close range squishies.

Ok, I will just restat my archer to axe and get calamity axes of blood b:avoid

Shulkie - Dreamweaver

a startling return to the form for which he is well known..

(demon_ea truly was a pretender to the crown.)

Lupumid - Sanctuary

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

Extended derp.

You ever heard of 1/2 damage at close range? Or are you too busy trolling? Winged Pledge is a close range skill that does full damage. Maybe if you'd ever get high enough to run harder instances, sometimes a mob seals you and you can't move, and the mobs right up in your face. Winged pledge looks like a pretty viable option to me. If it's leveled that is.

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »

You ever heard of 1/2 damage at close range? Or are you too busy trolling? Winged Pledge is a close range skill that does full damage. Maybe if you'd ever get high enough to run harder instances, sometimes a mob seals you and you can't move, and the mobs right up in your face. Winged pledge looks like a pretty viable option to me. If it's leveled that is.

Archers have feet, fail noob. Its called kiting.

Wingspan can do the same and knock back which is BETTER to use.
As for 1/2 damage at close range, metal skills arent nerfed at close range. Yet again, frost arrow helps, since you are going to nuke much easier with slow.

I have made this mistake when I first started archer long time. Now it is easier to keep things at a DISTANCE.

Archers are not BMs, I kite which is sorta OP. They have low hp and worst defense, making them die faster when it comes upclose, which is why winged pledge is useless.

Lupumid - Sanctuary

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

Archers have feet, fail noob. Its called kiting.

Wingspan can do the same and knock back which is BETTER to use.
As for 1/2 damage at close range, metal skills arent nerfed at close range. Yet again, frost arrow helps, since you are going to nuke much easier with slow.

I have made this mistake when I first started archer long time. Now it is easier to keep things at a DISTANCE.

Archers are not BMs, I kite which is sorta OP. They have low hp and worst defense, making them die faster when it comes upclose, which is why winged pledge is useless.

Do you know what it means to not be able to move? or did you just see a response and blindly reply? Some mobs can't be knocked back, maybe you'd know that if you did lets say FB39? And skills have cool downs also, so what are you gonna do? Sit there and let a mob wail on you while you wait for cool downs to finish?

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »

Do you know what it means to not be able to move? or did you just see a response and blindly reply? Some mobs can't be knocked back, maybe you'd know that if you did lets say FB39? And skills have cool downs also, so what are you gonna do? Sit there and let a mob wail on you while you wait for cool downs to finish?

ZZZ, there are a lot of options without knockback and slow. I know knockback does not always work.

There is aim low too... I bet you will say that costs 1 spark... Get full chi, duh. When not able to move, winged shell if it is not on cooldown. I have barely die without the winged pledge, it is an archers cursed skill. Also, my archer is not meant to tank anyway. Yeah, try using winged pledge as a lvl39 to 48 archer against farren serrenity, smart move. b:shutup

Sitting there? Lol. Winged shell *cough*

Lupumid - Sanctuary

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

ZZZ, there are a lot of options without knockback and slow. I know knockback does not always work.
Then why did you suggest it earlier? if something can stop you from moving it most likely can't be knocked back either.

There is aim low too... I bet you will say that costs 1 spark... Get full chi, duh. When not able to move, winged shell if it is not on cooldown.
Aim low is half damage and a waste of a spark up close.

I have barely die without the winged pledge, it is an archers cursed skill. Also, my archer is not meant to tank anyway.
Let me guess, your quickshot is maxed though?

Yeah, try using winged pledge as a lvl39 to 48 archer against farren sereneti, smart move. b:shutup
Why the hell are you walking up to farren?

Sitting there? Lol. Winged shell *cough*
Surprised you don't find that OP

Do you just sit there and pull responses out of your butt?

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear

Obvious troll is obvious.
If it was actually a legit poster,I would have answered why.

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »

Do you just sit there and pull responses out of your butt?

These are facts, aim low before 5 meters, right? I keep my archer at least 6 meters away. Sounds like you QQ about aim low. Chi is easy to gain back.

Why would I want to melee farrens AOE? ROFL.

Quick shot is LVL 10 and very useful b:pleased , sounds, like you are confused with sins and archers XD. Skill spamming ftw b:cool

Winged shell I use as a mana potion, 2nd cheapest class . Winged shell is just used as two things.

I guess you find emberstorm on wiz good... lol Sounds like it, I would avoid emberstorm

Lupumid - Sanctuary

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

I fail at black text

Honestly do you even read what you write before you post it?

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »

Honestly do you even read what you write before you post it?

I do read what I write.

I just read I do read what I write.

How about you?

I just read how about you.

I guess Armageddon on bosses with reflect is smart on barbs too b:laugh

I just read I guess Armageddon on bosses with reflect is smart on barbs too b:bye

Lupumid - Sanctuary

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

I do read what I write.

I just read I do read what I write.

How about you?

I just read how about you.

I guess Armageddon on bosses with reflect is smart on barbs too b:laugh

I just read I guess Armageddon on bosses with reflect is smart on barbs too b:bye

Point proven. BTW no bosses at 7X have reflect....ijs.

Keliska - Raging Tide

Winged Pledge is a Any Weapon skill.

o.Oa imma try going through lvls and pray I don't die. :P
Thank god I still have Winged Protection for evasion.

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »

Point proven. BTW no bosses at 7X have reflect....ijs.

ZZZZ, Quillihog king, that is all b:bye

@poster above, lol

Lupumid - Sanctuary

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

ZZZZ, Quillihog king, that is all b:bye

@poster above, lol

Lol you call that a reflect? Last for no time and honestly does poo reflect damage. Besides why would i arma if I'm tanking?

Sesusixo - Raging Tide

honestly, i never found much use for it.

buy tome if u dont have one, or big pots instead of investing in this skill.

Deora - Lost City

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

ZZZZ, Quillihog king, that is all b:bye

@poster above, lol

Further and further and further down hole you keep on digging...

Quillhog King - PWDB

Nenor - Dreamweaver

Dude, if you are spamming skills, you are playing your archer wrong.

Normal attacks do/will hit harder than spammed skills.

Max distance+frost arrow, normal,normal, normal.

If the mob gets to you, and still has any hp left, knockback.
If you are unlucky enough to have it make it back to you again, wingspan should take it out.

Ofc, on the inc life, Max distance+Stun+frost, normal, normal, normal should be just fine.

If you have are still having problems, upgrade your weapon.

It's not rocket science, really.

Btw, quickshot... havent used that since I was a wee archer running around arch. Unless you have the demon version, waste of mana imo.

Fleuri - Sanctuary

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

What is the point of this skill? One of the melee skills, wingspan is situational, but winged pledge is just flat out useless. You are meleeing in light armor with no defense bonus skill besides winged shell which is rather used for MP regen in most occasions.

I have used winged pledge for finishing off monsters that have gotten too close. I also have a macro that starts out with winged pledge: winged pledge, wingspan, stunning arrow, knockback arrow. (Most monsters have a 0.33 attack rate.) I have other ways of dealing with close range monsters, but sometimes this can be convenient.

Another use for winged pledge has been killing assassins. I will not go into details here, except to mention that it has worked quite well for me (and with a little thought and preparation I think I can make it have a decent chance of working on assassins with much better gear than I have, that gank me from stealth -- or I feel that I came close to winning in my last such encounter, but maybe that was a fluke...).

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Yulk Troll followers are available in the stores , hurry and get them first. b:shocked
sarcasm ......

At least Yulk is funny when trolling.
Flamebait thread is obvious.

and winged pledge is useful in early lvls , i still sometimes use it when my metal skills are on cooldown.

and "kiting" in this game with rubberband glitch lurking in every corner isnt as easy as u wish it to seem

troll more

Aquilez - Sanctuary

i was about to explain a situation that winged pledge can be usefull, but then i remembered this is just a troll so not worth it, but please keep going with the fun/fail posts yulk, they are always good to see when i'm at work b:pleased

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Dude, if you are spamming skills, you are playing your archer wrong.

Normal attacks do/will hit harder than spammed skills.

Max distance+frost arrow, normal,normal, normal.

If the mob gets to you, and still has any hp left, knockback.
If you are unlucky enough to have it make it back to you again, wingspan should take it out.

Ofc, on the inc life, Max distance+Stun+frost, normal, normal, normal should be just fine.

If you have are still having problems, upgrade your weapon.

It's not rocket science, really.

Btw, quickshot... havent used that since I was a wee archer running around arch. Unless you have the demon version, waste of mana imo.

I haven't been having trouble for a while with archer since I started the right combination of skill spam.

Normal attacks DO NOT hit harder than using skills, that is false. An heres an example

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d6b305b6e27ae48e 856-1226
damage with 0.71 aps, not even 1 attack every second. Which makes only 29 attacks missing every 100. From close range is 428-613 p.atk from normal attack. Sling shots are only useful when not stealing aggro from lower leveled tankers anyway. Bow and crossbows have better overall damage.

Take aim is an overpowered skill, I have no idea why people do not recommend using it, it is only 3.8 seconds at lvl 10, I realized that I take half the time and half the arrows from a fully charged nuke spam. Than doing it the forum way, saving no time for winged pledge, or even wingspan, I only use wingspan when i accidentally pull too many mobs which is useful.

Quickshot only takes 1.6 seconds to use, also in 1.4 seconds to do TWO normal attacks. At level 48, quick shot with a high attack crossbow is 1.4k+900 = 2.3k damage there which is near twice the damage which saves an arrow and time. I do my stun locks. Which makes it most likely in PVE, the mobs does not even reach to me within 7 meters. Winged shell also recovers mana, I do not even use it as a shield anymore.

Proving normal attacks with archer is almost as useless as a caster using normal attacks. Veno have 2APS combined (fox veno + pet) > bm with 1.43 aps > assassin with 1.25 APS > Barb > archer > -inserts caster class)


@Pheonix_eye, wrong, not useful in early lvls, I tested it long time on an archer on LC, kept dying with an axe / arcane archer (made for the lols), So it was really useless. Deleted him though :P

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

I haven't been having trouble for a while with archer since I started the right combination of skill spam.

Normal attacks DO NOT hit harder than using skills, that is false. An heres an example

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d6b305b6e27ae48e 856-1226
damage with 0.71 aps, not even 1 attack every second. Which makes only 29 attacks missing every 100. From close range is 428-613 p.atk from normal attack. Sling shots are only useful when not stealing aggro from lower leveled tankers anyway. Bow and crossbows have better overall damage.

Take aim is an overpowered skill, I have no idea why people do not recommend using it, it is only 3.8 seconds at lvl 10, I realized that I take half the time and half the arrows from a fully charged nuke spam. Than doing it the forum way, saving no time for winged pledge, or even wingspan, I only use wingspan when i accidentally pull too many mobs which is useful.

Quickshot only takes 1.6 seconds to use, also in 1.4 seconds to do TWO normal attacks. At level 48, quick shot with a high attack crossbow is 1.4k+900 = 2.3k damage there which is near twice the damage which saves an arrow and time. I do my stun locks. Which makes it most likely in PVE, the mobs does not even reach to me within 7 meters. Winged shell also recovers mana, I do not even use it as a shield anymore.

Proving normal attacks with archer is almost as useless as a caster using normal attacks. Veno have 2APS combined (fox veno + pet) > bm with 1.43 aps > assassin with 1.25 APS > Barb > archer > -inserts caster class)


@Pheonix_eye, wrong, not useful in early lvls, I tested it long time on an archer on LC, kept dying with an axe / arcane archer (made for the lols), So it was really useless. Deleted him though :P

First bold statement , pls troll harder

2nd statement : im not wrong , the skill really saves ur butt at early lvls , pls if u want to counter my opinion pls give a serious answer , axe-arcane archer will fail even if u **** the game and used barrage lvl 10 with no MP cost but full dmg. Such statement make urself look more silly than ever so 1) ur role in this forum is justified but 2) people who are new to the game and see that thing ( and believe it) tend to go the "wrong" way and get dissapointed later on.

as i said , troll more , but pls try to troll in a funny way and not in a dumb way b:bye

Elviron - Dreamweaver

@Yulk
Yes you could sit and spam skills and mana pots or simply rest your fingers by sticking to normal attacks. And nobody ever said normal shots hit harder than skills...."they provide higher DPS" since they shoot out faster.

In the time you take to charge your quickshot (1.6 seconds) which gives base damage + 908.4 dmg (which on reduction would be lower i guess), you can get out 2 shots (1.4 seconds) at the attack speed you have. As time progresses, the overall number of hits of your normal shots wouldve dealt more damage than your constant skill spam.

No matter which weapon you use and how much -interval gear you have, your skill casting+Channeling time would still take the specified amount of time unless you have a wizard's -channeling gear b:laugh. However your normal shots would get faster with faster weapons and more -interval.

Another example, Demon Take Aim takes about 2.5 seconds to hit a full powered hit. I can get 3 normal shots in this time and the damage of each normal shot is like 75% of that of a Fully charged Demon Take Aim. Doesnt that say enough?


As for winged pledge, its a very situational skill which has limited uses. Having one more melee range skill without damage penalty doesnt hurt.

Lastly, youre so called arcane + axe archer obviously failed.

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@Yulk
Yes you could sit and spam skills and mana pots or simply rest your fingers by sticking to normal attacks. And nobody ever said normal shots hit harder than skills...."they provide higher DPS" since they shoot out faster.

In the time you take to charge your quickshot (1.6 seconds) which gives base damage + 908.4 dmg (which on reduction would be lower i guess), you can get out 2 shots (1.4 seconds) at the attack speed you have. As time progresses, the overall number of hits of your normal shots wouldve dealt more damage than your constant skill spam.

No matter which weapon you use and how much -interval gear you have, your skill casting+Channeling time would still take the specified amount of time unless you have a wizard's -channeling gear b:laugh. However your normal shots would get faster with faster weapons and more -interval.

Another example, Demon Take Aim takes about 2.5 seconds to hit a full powered hit. I can get 3 normal shots in this time and the damage of each normal shot is like 75% of that of a Fully charged Demon Take Aim. Doesnt that say enough?


As for wingedspan, its a very situational skill which has limited uses. Having one more melee range skill without damage penalty doesnt hurt.

Lastly, youre so called arcane + axe archer obviously failed.

Intervals for archers fail unless they are heavy cash shopped clawchers (seriously, 0.74 aps from a sling from -0.1 int? seriously?). Why would I want to use more DPS which is only SLIGHTLY, than 2-5 times the DPH? DPH > DPS on archer by a mile. I am pure DEX. If I wanted to just normal attack, that is what BMs and venoes are for. -int on normal archers are useless, with max interval is up to dual axes without -int, completely useless.

Take aim should ALWAYS be used as a starter, which is 300% more p.dmg than normal, which takes it even faster killing. It is OP, Take aim is ridiculously OP as sage. I find all the skills on archer useful except winged pledge.

Also Wingspan is situational, knockback then kiting, which is EASIER not to get hit. Winged pledge DOES not knockback, no AOE, just a waste of melee skill. I rather just back up and hit instead rather than waste my time using this skill.

Lastly, arcane + axe archer was real, just tested it out against another archer my lvl against (around 20+) and almost beat him, since his winged pledge and normal attack sucks. I was only testing it myself. All I did was normal attacks on him. This was on LC too.

Elviron - Dreamweaver

So according to you 10k dmg from 1 shot in 3 seconds is > 15k dmg from 3 shots in 3 seconds?

Wow...youre a GENIUS!!! BRAVO BRAVO!!!

Thanks for the entertainment Yulk. b:bye

I forgot its useless to sit and argue with you since either nothing gets thru your thick skull or you take immense pleasure in looking stupid.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

The answer is obvious: Archers have Winged Pledge so that Yulk could rage about it on the forums.

b:cute

Katozuma - Raging Tide

Lastly, arcane + axe archer was real, just tested it out against another archer my lvl against (around 20+) and almost beat him, since his winged pledge and normal attack sucks. I was only testing it myself. All I did was normal attacks on him. This was on LC too.

WOW wouldn't arcane +axe archer be good at first but around endgame become a walking diaster?

Sage version would make the skill spammable(i think)
Demon version slows ppl down but wait I'm a archer in CC/QC slower opponent who's most likely doing 100% or their damage vs Me who made them slow for 5secs and is only doing 50% due to the range rule.

The skill is good starting out when facing close range mobs but mid-endgame the skill become quite useless even if you do decide to do go demon at 89. Is it worth 1mil in coins &sp to upgrade? Is it worth 1.5mil-1.7mil+ of coins and sp total? Hmm how is the book even worth(probably cheap)?

Like most of the guides for archers and others say best to leave at 1 save you sp and money in the long run.

Not trying to give an sociocentric (is this even a real word?) statement. Hey if you find it useful and got coins and sp to waste by all means go ahead use it.

yay top of the page : ) I feel special