-Channeling

Migad - Raging Tide

I was just wondering if a demon wizard with full -chan gear would be able to compete with the dps of a 4/5 aps BM.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Migad - Raging Tide wrote: »

I was just wondering if a demon wizard with full -chan gear would be able to compete with the dps of a 4/5 aps BM.

Of course not. Even with 0 channeling is still casting time there, also spells has cooldown. Wizard never cannot do 5 hits per second. It impossible by the programming code of game.

Adroit - Lost City

I've heard of a bug where above 90% channeling cast time starts to disappear. If channeling gets to 100% or higher (like in sutra) it is bumped down to 90%, which gives a little more credibility to this rumor. So basically.. you will never even get remotely close to out dpsing a 5.0 char because of the cast time on our skills, but if cast time is indeed able to be reduced.. I would guess we would give interval chars a run for their money.

Now ofc this doesn't really matter, because the gear required to get between 90 and 99% channeling doesn't exist yet. The max you can get it like -68% channeling (assuming gear with random stats only has one -channeling stat). This would also be CRAZY expensive (significantly more than 5.0) and not be practical in pvp being that you would only be getting pdef from your rings/shards.

edit: -68% channeling is b4 demon quaff or demon spark, and there are couple of ornaments I've seen on LC with -9% channeling (-6 and -3 channeling), but they are essentially priceless being that you'd probably need to pay off someone's mortgage to make someone give it up.. if it isn't already bound already.

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

There are insta-wizards on private servers, able to cast skills without animations.

Unfortunately, I've read that on this version this bug was fixed. It's impossible to check out if it's true since completing gear for this requires insane amount of farming and money.

Kaste - Sanctuary

What I learned, level 100 mages with -54% channel do have a lot of dps actually. The have a decent amount of crit and by using THIS, they kill everything, as the casting will be almost instant. But getting that much -chan is actually pretty difficult.


http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4bab798e0dd77ff6

You could actually reach even more -chan, though this would be enough .

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

The instant channel bug has been fixed for quite a while already. Nobody I've met knows for sure, but some sources claim it was done before PWI, others say around the time genies/packs/TBs came here.

-chan build doesn't make you the best DD ever for PvE, but it still works nicely. -6% wrists are cheap, so are -6% OHT orns. -18% there. -6% weapon is not too expensive either as TT99 gold glaive/TT99 green mag sword(s) have that. -3% hat is not too bad either and that damn defence-gimping -3% rank chest is affordable too. That puts you to -30%. Add in -6% rings + TT99 gold set bonus -3% and you got -45% chan. If you don't mind gimping your defence more, add the Lunar cape and you'll get -51%, which is -71% with demon quaff and -76% with demon spark. Then there are -3% chan gems and -10% weapon, along with -6% chest, -2% tome and -3% Nirvana pants but all of those are pretty costly. If you get all that, your total -chan would be -69% base as seen here http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=23d181d67c18d70c which is -94% sparked and -89% with demon quaff.

For PvP, I'd get the rings, helm, weapon, wrists, pants, and TT99 gold AA set bonus -3% which puts you to -33% base without messing up your defence at all. Then again, that costs about as much as 5 aps BM minus the tome.

There might be some calculation mistakes.

DiviniaHeals - Sanctuary

my 97 wizzy has -30% atm and her divine pyro still takes forever >.< my cleric has -15% and seems to be faster than my wizard b:surrender

Joshcja - Sanctuary

who gives a damn about pve

max chan = quaf is a near double time faster sutra with 1 spark cost

not to mention what 3 spark does

to make it a viable pvp buld you would need some - 12% arms and a - 9% belt though along with a -10% nirvana wand/galive

still the idea of 1 second demon hailstorm stone rain and pitfalls chained with blink and FoW makes my man panties wet

not to mention the obscinity of a 15 second long 3 sparked sutra under antistun tis what we call a turret

Adroit - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

who gives a damn about pve

max chan = quaf is a near double time faster sutra with 1 spark cost

not to mention what 3 spark does

to make it a viable pvp buld you would need some - 12% arms and a - 9% belt though along with a -10% nirvana wand/galive

still the idea of 1 second demon hailstorm stone rain and pitfalls chained with blink and FoW makes my man panties wet

not to mention the obscinity of a 15 second long 3 sparked sutra under antistun tis what we call a turret

and then you remember that your build to achieve this much -channeling is far more expensive than an interval build, not to mention the your only source of pdef is cv rings and shards (aka ur pdef is going to be ****), and an interval char will still EASILY out dps you. Guess I should also throw in that our skills have cooldowns so you'd be needing to add in some skills with longer cast times (like ss/gs/etc) which will really lower dps.

Oh, almost forgot that -12% channeling arms don't even exist yet, and there are like 2 maybe 3 pairs of -9% channeling ornaments on the server. They don't come in packs either.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

and then you remember that your build to achieve this much -channeling is far more expensive than an interval build, not to mention the your only source of pdef is cv rings and shards (aka ur pdef is going to be ****), and an interval char will still EASILY out dps you. Guess I should also throw in that our skills have cooldowns so you'd be needing to add in some skills with longer cast times (like ss/gs/etc) which will really lower dps.

Oh, almost forgot that -12% channeling arms don't even exist yet, and there are like 2 maybe 3 pairs of -9% channeling ornaments on the server. They don't come in packs either.

...who really gives a damn for pve farming on a wizzie? the class has sucked for that from day 1 so i really dont get the bloody dps fixation its not about DPS or pve its about quickly chaining spike and disables, wizzies have enough spike skills + imoblize seal stun or sleep to alternate for a loooong time between blinks not to mention the sheer amount of nukes (can use fast spells as filler) so the cooldowns arent that big of a deal

theres a -12% ring on my server, plus you can make some oht items almost indefinitly with verry little coin loss if you sell the -6% items (theres 3-4 sets of double -.05 arms on my server and -6% has the same chance as -.05 last i looked a - 12% belt and 5-6 sets of -9% arms) so yes these items exist

you would (on the ideal build) have g 16 cube neck + 2 lunar rings for phys def add either def level or mixed hp and phys def shards and remember this is a demon wizz so extra stone barrier boost so its still more than possible to hit a solid 10k phys def and hp self buffed + 30ish def levels w/o a blessing with 2 items at - 12% you can even use heavenrage boots for more hp and crit

yes its an ungodly pricy build but hey wizzies have no gear cap

typed more but realized it doesnt really matter

on topic...if you want dps roll another class wizzies will never do as much dps as an = gear mele reroll if you want dps

Adroit - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

...who really gives a damn for pve farming on a wizzie? the class has sucked for that from day 1 so i really dont get the bloody dps fixation its not about DPS or pve its about quickly chaining spike and disables, wizzies have enough spike skills + imoblize seal stun or sleep to alternate for a loooong time between blinks not to mention the sheer amount of nukes (can use fast spells as filler) so the cooldowns arent that big of a deal

theres a -12% ring on my server, plus you can make some oht items almost indefinitly with verry little coin loss if you sell the -6% items (theres 3-4 sets of double -.05 arms on my server and -6% has the same chance as -.05 last i looked a - 12% belt and 5-6 sets of -9% arms) so yes these items exist

you would (on the ideal build) have g 16 cube neck + 2 lunar rings for phys def add either def level or mixed hp and phys def shards and remember this is a demon wizz so extra stone barrier boost so its still more than possible to hit a solid 10k phys def and hp self buffed + 30ish def levels w/o a blessing with 2 items at - 12% you can even use heavenrage boots for more hp and crit

yes its an ungodly pricy build but hey wizzies have no gear cap

typed more but realized it doesnt really matter

on topic...if you want dps roll another class wizzies will never do as much dps as an = gear mele reroll if you want dps

There is a reason there are no wizards on pwi with 90-99% channeling in demon spark. I'd love for you to post the pwcalc of what you think is available right now.

BlastingWave - Harshlands

you cant have 100% channel reduction if it had been possible than spells in essential sutra would be insta cast , which ther not b:cry

Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver

Saw a -12% chan belt selling on LC wc today. I think the guy wanted 120m for it and seemed like he kept fake bidding. people would probably ask for 500m+ for a -18% chan. But think of an aps equivalent: -0.05 int x 3 wrist. . . easily going into the high 9 digits.

Adroit - Lost City

Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Saw a -12% chan belt selling on LC wc today. I think the guy wanted 120m for it and seemed like he kept fake bidding. people would probably ask for 500m+ for a -18% chan. But think of an aps equivalent: -0.05 int x 3 wrist. . . easily going into the high 9 digits.

I doubt it, 99 wrists and boots give -.15 (aka .05 x3). arcane 99 wrists and boots give -9%. Keep in mind.. the most common interval build for a 5.0 bm would be...

99 HA wrists
99 HA boots
99 evasion neck
99 evasion belt
cv claws
event cape
either interval tome or nv pants

Now for a mage witht 71+ channeling b4 spark..

99 AA wrists
99 AA boots
2x cv rings
event cape
weapon of sages (aka rank6 wep) or nirvana wep (-10 channeling) also two -channel shards
rank 8 top
nirvana pants
warsoul helm
-channel on a tome (maybe) lol

With all that gear, you are at a grand total of.. 56% channeling
That leaves you with your ornaments, where you need to come up with at least 15% channeling. Ofc wrists/mdef ornaments/rings all have the potential for extra channeling (up to -18% each) but that is extremely rare. Oh ya, the ONLY gear that gives you pdef is going to be your rings (i'd highly suggest not replacing those), current wrists are essentially giving -9% channeling, so you'd need -12% or more to make those worthwhile.. which again is stupid expensive. More than likely you'd be stuck finding ornaments with -6/-9% channeling (-9% channeling is stupid expensive, -12% or more would be near priceless).. and being that you'd be relying on your ornaments for -channeling.. your pdef would B L O W. You'd almost be required to shard 100% pdef (event gems), and hp would suffer big time.

So not only is a -channeling wiz WAY more expensive, it is not really viable in pvp because of the TERRIBAD pdef/hp. With all of this, interval chars would also still be outdps'ing us by miles.

Regenbogen - Lost City

74%channeling -> 99% demon sparked 94%quaffed
not that difficult(but still expensive :<) to obtain...
as for the pdef there might be a solution in the upcoming expansion...

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8937c4526616805b

Joshcja - Sanctuary

link was bad moved to later post
-68% chan if you count the stones in weapon as -3%

the gear itself costs 3-4 billion coins so yes full +12 is realistic for anyone who can afford this in the 1st place

quaff's to 88 sparks to 93

Adroit - Lost City

gear doesn't exist yet. Both of you. Nice try though.

w34kd0g

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

There are insta-wizards on private servers, able to cast skills without animations.

Unfortunately, I've read that on this version this bug was fixed. It's impossible to check out if it's true since completing gear for this requires insane amount of farming and money.

Yea cause they fix every bug .

Oh wait.....

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

theres a -12% ring on my server, plus you can make some oht items almost indefinitly with verry little coin loss if you sell the -6% items (theres 3-4 sets of double -.05 arms on my server and -6% has the same chance as -.05 last i looked a - 12% belt and 5-6 sets of -9% arms) so yes these items exist

Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Saw a -12% chan belt selling on LC wc today. I think the guy wanted 120m for it and seemed like he kept fake bidding. people would probably ask for 500m+ for a -18% chan. But think of an aps equivalent: -0.05 int x 3 wrist. . . easily going into the high 9 digits.

the gear exists...b:surrender

Adroit - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

the gear exists...b:surrender

if you were able to xfer gear between servers maybe. I still haven't seen -12 sleeves/belt/-13 wep etc. The other post with pdef orns that have -channel don't exist at all.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

94% with demon spark
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b5a649b3a90b3d09

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

if you were able to xfer gear between servers maybe. I still haven't seen -12 sleeves/belt/-13 wep etc. The other post with pdef orns that have -channel don't exist at all.

that neck is from fb 109 and the belt...hell if i know

*points to sanc post again* the gear exists on any older server no need to move things around

or you can work out price per- profit from sold geni chi x chance of a 2x chan add and have a ballpark estimate of how much a -12% item costs

for the belt

(.57/100)(.57/100) = .3249/100 rounded up is .33/100 so a roughly 1 in 300 chance to get -12% on a belt

decomps to 74 stones at 600 per stone = 44,400 returned per belt

if you run tt at all you have 100's of big sculptures and stones in bank

power mat = 50k tops
leaves = 4k each

so 17600 coins per try if you never get a single -3 -6 or -9 belt to sell x 300 = 5,280,000 average cost to make

so lets assume 10x that and its still 50.3 mill...less than a tt 99 gold chest

not seeing the issue here

Amour - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

the gear exists...b:surrender

Uhh...
Did you modify the pdef of that neck? It says it gives 6512... g16 cube neck would give like 2k tops at +12... probably less, ~1700 I'd say. 6512... yeah right.

edit:

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

that neck is from fb 109 and the belt...hell if i know

*points to sanc post again* the gear exists on any older server no need to move things around

or you can work out price per- profit from sold geni chi x chance of a 2x chan add and have a ballpark estimate of how much a -12% item costs

for the belt

(.57/100)(.57/100) = .3249/100 rounded up is .33/100 so a roughly 1 in 300 chance to get -12% on a belt

decomps to 74 stones at 600 per stone = 44,400 returned per belt

if you run tt at all you have 100's of big sculptures and stones in bank

power mat = 50k tops
leaves = 4k each

so 17600 coins per try if you never get a single -3 -6 or -9 belt to sell x 300 = 5,280,000 average cost to make

so lets assume 10x that and its still 50.3 mill...less than a tt 99 gold chest

not seeing the issue here

1/300 chance to make a -12 belt? I've made well over 600 and not even gotten a -9. I'm sure there have been thousands upon thousands made on LC, -12 does not exist here. NT though Mr. Mathcraft. Theory vs reality, it's a funny thing.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Amour - Lost City wrote: »

Uhh...
Did you modify the pdef of that neck? It says it gives 6512... g16 cube neck would give like 2k tops at +12... probably less, ~1700 I'd say. 6512... yeah right.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/23614 from pwi datatbase i did mod it but only because calc is broken ..and wtftypo *goes back to fix*



1/300 chance to make a -12 belt? I've made well over 600 and not even gotten a -9. I'm sure there have been thousands upon thousands made on LC, -12 does not exist here. NT though Mr. Mathcraft. Theory vs reality, it's a funny thing.

ya though it was off when i went back and looked at my estimated chan buid cost... went back and reworked it came to a .0034/100 so woild take about 500 mill per -12 sorry for that

comments in red fixed build below sorry for the mix up

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0239d33c81e849f8

and you could make it work with a pair of -9% rings a - 9 belt and the 99 arms boots -12 is just needed if you want event boots and crit and def rings would need to go phys shards on hat and cape to make up the loss from rings though

Stubbie - Heavens Tear

well there is one -12 chan belt on HT or more idk (i gue its really rare)

Jasrina from Radiance has the beltb:shocked

Magiere - Dreamweaver

Someone on Dreamweaver actually has a -18 channel wrists from a mob drop (lvl 74 arcane wrists - was seen in trade section for a while to price check)

Also this dude got lucky
http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/2361/le2dsqjw_jpg.htm

Its do able, i myself "can" go up to 74% using sage magic shell..and i dont even have the -6 channel cape and only -6 channel on weapon.

Problem remains the same, you sacrifice your pdef to that of a level 70 class.
Which simply isnt practicable in PvP or TW.

Regenbogen - Lost City

Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Someone on Dreamweaver actually has a -18 channel wrists from a mob drop (lvl 74 arcane wrists - was seen in trade section for a while to price check)

Also this dude got lucky
http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/2361/le2dsqjw_jpg.htm

Its do able, i myself "can" go up to 74% using sage magic shell..and i dont even have the -6 channel cape and only -6 channel on weapon.

Problem remains the same, you sacrifice your pdef to that of a level 70 class.
Which simply isnt practicable in PvP or TW.

that glaive is kickass b:dirty


you guys are right with the pdef belt/necklace which isn't available now

but 9%&6% already exist

we'll see what happens with the upcoming genesis expansion
maybe then every caster will aim for 99%demonsparked
and then 5aps in pvp will "OH SHOOOOT DID MY CHARM TICK?!" "HAX!" "BBQ!" "NURF CHANNELING NOW!"

atm channeling=glasscannon
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8d3ce6e821b8eab0

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

94% with demon spark
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b5a649b3a90b3d09

for emphasis.

Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver

Miz's build is actually pretty obtainable. Wouldn't really cost a fortune now that rank 8 is pretty easily obtainable. Compared to 5aps, that build is relatively cheap.

Oh btw Miz, you missed our TW. We lost to Bushido after 1.5 hours because it was 7 vs 30.

XEmpressX - Heavens Tear

How much do the Stone of Savants go for atm?
How much -chan do they give?

Djoulz - Lost City

-3% channeling time in weap and on lost city last time i checked it was around 24-27 mil