End Game Sage Barbs
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I only use my sage barb for crafting stuff for my alts or other people as all his skills are maxed, and sometimes for vendoring. Other then that, he's useless because of all the reasons mentioned on previous pages by various people. Sometimes I do help people out in instances but that's all the action there is.
But as you said all we can do is QQ and nothing will happen as people charging zen for packs to get Deicide claws > their complaining customers.0 -
SyGrrr isn't useless. Her 99 gears work beautifully on my BM during the week and she does get to come out and play during TW.
Edit: and yes, my tiger is a girl.0 -
SyGrrr - Archosaur wrote: »SyGrrr isn't useless. Her 99 gears work beautifully on my BM during the week and she does get to come out and play during TW.
Edit: and yes, my tiger is a girl.
Girl Barbs Rule! b:victory
btw, my BM is going to get all my Nirvana gear0 -
Proski - Archosaur wrote: »the lie where someone told you your opinion matters at level 73
.... i was especting more form you b:scorn0 -
Anthemyra - Archosaur wrote: ».... i was especting more form you b:scorn
What IS to expect? I was actually confused as to what that person said previously in his/her post. Apparently she/he had no idea what the hell elusive was all about. No point in arguing with someone like that lmfao.
Anyways, on to the purpose of this thread.
Sage barbs are only really built for pulling catas endgame. We had a much better use in the earlier levels since we were needed in almost every single squad for tanking purposes (especially in FC and recently in the world chats, all I see is "I NEED A DAM BARB FOR A FC"). However, even with a +12 weapon and decked out gear, it is still impossible to hold aggro against an interval toon. But the plus-size I see to this is less repair bills b:dirty
Of course I do have some sort of annoyance getting asked to join a squad solely for the purpose of having both sage buffs. But, since I felt so useless in squads, I rolled a sin. It's what most people do at endgame anyways and it does provide me some sort of added fun to this game. It seems like the "tanking" class now would be getting 4/5 aps toon with bloodpaint and demon sparking on a boss.
But there are other avenues for sage barbs besides tanking and pulling catas. One of them being pking. Barbs with a ton of hp > squishy classes (ijs). The only possible class I have problems against in pk are BMs and other Barbs of course. Otherwise, I roll most classes in west gate one on one b:laugh (Btw, I suck at pking b:surrender)0 -
Useless, not really (i joke).
A sage barb is usefull to help lower lvl, when 5 aps are all busy in Nirvana or in Lunar.
I use my barb just to help others when i can, but i haven't change his stuff since 1 year. My veteran barb can tank 3-3 with 19 k HP quietly
The thing which is sure, GM don't play the game really ... If the new way of game is to make new class making old ones useless....
May be i have done bad choices, but with my sage barb and my demon psy (100+), really hard to find sq for bh or run.
An idea will be to increase our dmg using weapon only for barb, like special hammer for example, low acc but really high dmg.
Hopeffully, i have few friends and i play now only for that 0 -
Let me see if I can sum this thread up in one sentence.
I am a sage barb only useful in tw/buffs so therefore I will re-roll a class that can have 5aps.
So what happens when everyone is 5aps?(or at least has access to one) Will boss's then have 5x more hp b:shocked
It is sad that some classes are just thrown away, but like a few others said. All you can really do is QQ and well you have that right I guess.
So IF a new server is released, how many rolling 5aps BM/EA/SIN/BARB now? Heck veno fox form(heavy) grab yourself 4aps(or 3.xx I don't care). O joy b:bye(anonymous) "If pwi brings out rank sale again, I will def increase my spending limit." Marketing, learn it, master it, and after that stop complaining about it.0 -
Someone move this to the Barb forums. Its a great discussion, should be more noticed. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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As the game is so fcked up and they're not going to do anything about it, your only solution is to either roll a sin / bm or Rage quit.
Oh and theres also the new classes coming, that is gonna overpower all other classes and then there wont be QQ about Tideborns but Earthguards.0 -
I know im not the grandest authority on barbs or anything really seeing as how im 86, and my barb is still in the working....
But maybe pure hp build+sage was a heavily flawed build to begin with?
A fist bm, fist archer, and sin can tank many things that were once reserved for barbs as far as i know. So why go full hp on top of more hp (aka pure tank build)+ more defence (sage) on a character that is already given an advantage in hp and defence by way of hp buff and tiger form, shapeshift intensity etc.?
Wouldn't it be better to make a more balanced build? maybe the balance is so flawed that even that wont help but all im saying is...
Most ppl just get their builds off of the forum, off a few guides written by older players some of which werent quite near endgame yet. All I see in barb builds is "the most useful is pure tank build " but this does seem to be outdated advice. With the aps craze and the new potential endgame has, maybe a barb is putting the gun in his mouth by putting all emphasis in just hp and defence. And you ask for skill improvements, which i agree they should improve aggro skills for barbs, but we must also think about this: what if a barbs skills are improved to hit harder so they can keep aggro from godly dps? That would mean most likely the barb class would become OP, having that much attack even while having focused their entire build on defense. Imagine barbs who are pure tank build taking so many hits and dealing very heavy hits as well. That wouldn't be quite fair.
What about if the barb class is improved just to have a great aggro skill that simply draws aggro but doesnt deal damage, enough to hold from 5 aps. Would that make holding aggro too easy? any idiot will be able to be play tank barb well? not that it takes a genius to know what "spam flesh ream " means but hopefully u get my point.
I understand that 5 aps is the most noobish way to be considered pro and no matter what u do there will never be balance with it around in its current state. But maybe part of the problem is the build. Maybe its time to ditch pure hp(unless u just want to pull catas). Maybe hybrid type build would work better. A build that leans more towards high hp could maybe work better as demon, while a build with more emphasis on heavy hitting might balance off a little better with sage.
My main point is that maybe changing the way we think we should build a tank barb would help the issue. Since barbs already have an advantage in hp and defence because of their skills, should more emphasis be put on building for better attack? Pure hp build is an unbalanced build to start; Maybe our expectations of it were too high.
I might be totally wrong, I will admit I'm an idiot, and I usually am wrong. But just think about it? and plz dont yell at me b:surrender0 -
barb is the *best* class if u still dont understand...
barb can survive longer than others with the *charm* and u still *cant* kill ppl but let them playing with your *charm* b:cool
barb has the hp+str buff but just a buff *machine* b:dirty
barb can be claw/fist barb like an *alien* o wait, barb is alien since they can transform into a tiger with lion/tiger/panda/wolf head b:victory
barb is always the *best* class and its a wanted class to other classes cuz they all want a class that they can bully b:dirty
and more and more make barb is the *best* class......
we barbs have to stay for them, we r the heroes0 -
Barbarians should really be upgraded. The thread poster speaks laot of truth. Barbarians are really underlooked, and as i've read from a few posts from other players, they're just money wasters.
High H.P, = Fast charm consumption.
Low Damage = Super long battles against Heavy Armors, and light armors.
Can't hold the monsters attention or (aggro) from other players having high or fast damage per hit/sec.
I agree. Upgrade the barbarian skills, especially sage ones so they can fit in with the rest of the class. b:surrender0 -
Sage barbs are far from useless
Used in all instances for hp buff + attack buff (best in game)
50% psychical armor break, and when you can't be supremely useful, make yourself useful and efficient perhaps with 120 dext genie to spam extreme poison. Learn 3-3 boss timings to always help your party evade the worst magic attacks.
Being useless is a state of mind.
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Its funny when people complain about barbs having low damage lol. I mean if you jam all spare points into vitality of course you wont hit hard unless you Armageddon. Think BM, archers, wizards etc have the luxury to add points in vitality endgame? They dont b/c than they wont hit hard. Its not barb as a class that has low dmg, its the cheapo vita build. A strength build barb with Nirvana axes pretty much 1-2 shot people with Onslaught <_<
Barb is also the third best DD-class with 5.0 claws.
Barb has, even if dex/strength build, higher survivability than any other class.
Barb is one of the best 1v1 classes in pvp. Pretty much the only class that doesn't have major problems with sins.
They have the strongest hitting ulti together with wizards Ice Dragon. They have the best self buffs and defensive skills on top of that.
So i dont think barbs are neglected exclusively in any way. All classes beside interval BM/Sins are ignored/neglected when it comes to pve endgame. If barbs pve-skills needs to be upgraded than so does psychics, archers, venos, wizards and psychics. I guess casters can spend 72 bucks and get their stuff from the boutique tho. That would be the only unfair part since R8 sucks for mele.0 -
barbs are a good class no doubtFail troll of harshlands0
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TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »Its funny when people complain about barbs having low damage lol. I mean if you jam all spare points into vitality of course you wont hit hard unless you Armageddon. Think BM, archers, wizards etc have the luxury to add points in vitality endgame? They dont b/c than they wont hit hard. Its not barb as a class that has low dmg, its the cheapo vita build. A strength build barb with Nirvana axes pretty much 1-2 shot people with Onslaught <_<
Barb is also the third best DD-class with 5.0 claws.
Barb has, even if dex/strength build, higher survivability than any other class.
Barb is one of the best 1v1 classes in pvp. Pretty much the only class that doesn't have major problems with sins.
They have the strongest hitting ulti together with wizards Ice Dragon. They have the best self buffs and defensive skills on top of that.
So i dont think barbs are neglected exclusively in any way. All classes beside interval BM/Sins are ignored/neglected when it comes to pve endgame. If barbs pve-skills needs to be upgraded than so does psychics, archers, venos, wizards and psychics. I guess casters can spend 72 bucks and get their stuff from the boutique tho. That would be the only unfair part since R8 sucks for mele.
ive tried numerous builds for my barb and wasted almost all the money i had. nothing worked for keeping aggro. i refuse to do fist barb due to the fact that i feel 5 aps ruined this game. who do u expect to pull a cata with all the rank 8 and 9 around? want the 17k fully buffed fist barb to do it? no. want the str based barb with 20k hp to do it? hell no.
im a cata barb. and i would like it if it were possible to be useful in anything besides catapult. so mabey i can enjoy the game and enjoy the class that i play. barbs arent best in pk because a rank 9 sin can take us down in seconds while we are stunned and such.
point is. it takes no skill to play this game anymore. u can literally oracle your class and fc up too 100. keep almost all your skills at lvl1 as a bm and 5 aps every boss in the game to death. in TT its all aps squads. i cant even get a squad unless i go with many casters who die very quickly against emperor and armageddon. then guess what my HP keeps my *** alive and i get to have a fun charm tank down on his hp waiting for the cleric to come back. tell a str build barb to do that.
all i can suggest in skills is base the threat lvl gained from the flesh ream by like 10% of your hp value or something like that. something that doesnt effect pk, just some small change to allow 5 aps to DD while barb can hold aggro. this way many more builds as a barb can open up. also make claws bm only... that way people can play their class rather than faceroll auto attack.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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God_Evil - Lost City wrote: »barb is the *best* class if u still dont understand...
barb can survive longer than others with the *charm* and u still *cant* kill ppl but let them playing with your *charm* b:cool
barb has the hp+str buff but just a buff *machine* b:dirty
barb can be claw/fist barb like an *alien* o wait, barb is alien since they can transform into a tiger with lion/tiger/panda/wolf head b:victory
barb is always the *best* class and its a wanted class to other classes cuz they all want a class that they can bully b:dirty
and more and more make barb is the *best* class......
we barbs have to stay for them, we r the heroes
Yeah barbs like you with all 12x ofc they are the best
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Lets c a Bm tank 3-3 Emperor when Clerics die..(which they eventually do) b:victory0
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Proper factions take necesarry steps for cata barbs....
BM gonna pull cata n tank 30 ppl....Hell no....0 -
GMs, can you please move this thread somewhere else?
Everybody knows Archo threads are only for flamers, not this nonsense talk about things to "improve the game". That ****'s for lamers.0 -
Proper factions take necesarry steps for cata barbs....
BM gonna pull cata n tank 30 ppl....Hell no....
I don't think anyone is denying the usefulness of sage barbs in TW. The problem that keeps coming up is what to do with a cata built barb the rest of the week?
There's already a growing lack of barbs at the lower levels. Eventually we're going to get to point where there are too few people willing to make the necessary sacrifices for a character whose only usefulness is for a few hours a week.
And yes, I also think this thread should be moved to general or class discussion.0 -
Zhadi - Archosaur wrote: »GMs, can you please move this thread somewhere else?
Everybody knows Archo threads are only for flamers, not this nonsense talk about things to "improve the game". That ****'s for lamers.
agree it should be moved. archo is for flamers. sooooooo
/flameszhadi
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