Some newbie questions

shirohigewb
shirohigewb Posts: 1 Arc User
edited November 2010 in Psychic
I just started to play a psy and i've some doubts about this class.

Better elemental necklaces or physical necklaces?

I'm going pure mag because i prefer high damage but it would be better add +1 dex every level and 3mag instead 4 or the difference in damage between 3 and 4mag at endgame is significant?

About soulburn i read this 'Every time the target attacks, it takes damage equals to your Soulforce.' but it works in this way against players too? i mean if you have 10k soulforce player gets 10k or only for mobs?

Thank you
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  • I_Snipe - Lost City
    I_Snipe - Lost City Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    1] Physical necklaces.

    2] What is your reasoning for adding Dex? Psychics, or any mage for that matter, does not need Dex for anything aside from increasing their Critical Hit Rate. Which, 20 Dex = 1% crit, meaning you won't get a significant/noticeable increase unless you have more. Having more will ultimately decrease your Magic Attack quite a bit.
    Also, at lvl 100, 3 Magic per level = 300. 4 Magic per level = 400. That is a significant difference.

    3] It isn't crystal clear if Soulforce negates defenses. I'll save this one for the Psychics who tested it out to chime in on this one. From what I've read, it varies.
  • shirohigewb
    shirohigewb Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    yes, the reason for add dex was the critical rate.

    A question about spirit points... are they a problem in this class too? i mean i see psy don't have so many skills like other clases

    And i was watching the skills in http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php and soul of stunning only increases the mana when lvl up... it's right or it's a mistake?
  • Necare - Harshlands
    Necare - Harshlands Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    shirohigewb wrote: »
    yes, the reason for add dex was the critical rate.

    A question about spirit points... are they a problem in this class too? i mean i see psy don't have so many skills like other clases

    And i was watching the skills in http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php and soul of stunning only increases the mana when lvl up... it's right or it's a mistake?

    +% crit is better to get from equips. The 100 mag you lose for 5% crit aren't worth it.

    If you'll always have enough money to upgrade skills, spirit might be a problem until later, when money gets the upper hand.

    Neither Soul of Stunning nor Soul of Vengeance gets any better when upgraded, only reason to upgrade them is for Sage/Demon versions. No idea if it was intended, but it's how it got implemented.
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  • Derressh - Dreamweaver
    Derressh - Dreamweaver Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    About Soulburn:

    The damage DOES take resistances into effect (for example, I usually hit ~2k per hit on arcane classes, but usually less than 1k on heavy armor classes), and it also suffers from the 75% PvP damage reduction.

    So basically, in PvP, your soulburn with 10k soulforce will do around 2.5k minus physical damage reduction.
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  • DemansPsy - Lost City
    DemansPsy - Lost City Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    About Soulburn:

    The damage DOES take resistances into effect (for example, I usually hit ~2k per hit on arcane classes, but usually less than 1k on heavy armor classes), and it also suffers from the 75% PvP damage reduction.

    So basically, in PvP, your soulburn with 10k soulforce will do around 2.5k minus physical damage reduction.

    same thing goes for soul of retzailton and red tide (and maybe veng? i really dont pay attention to it much lol)
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  • shirohigewb
    shirohigewb Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Thank you for the answers b:pleased
  • SSarmento - Raging Tide
    SSarmento - Raging Tide Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I hit HA with 20k soulforce for 3k with soulburn.
  • VelvetKiller - Lost City
    VelvetKiller - Lost City Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    And everyone's saying that "attacking a Psy while in Soulbourn is commiting suicide". How the hell is that suicide if it hits for few k only?
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    VelvetKiller - Lost City wrote: »
    And everyone's saying that "attacking a Psy while in Soulbourn is commiting suicide". How the hell is that suicide if it hits for few k only?


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  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited November 2010
    VelvetKiller - Lost City wrote: »
    And everyone's saying that "attacking a Psy while in Soulbourn is commiting suicide". How the hell is that suicide if it hits for few k only?

    Most people only have 4-5k. So they just 2 shotted themselves. b:avoid
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    volst wrote: »
    Most people only have 4-5k. So they just 2 shotted themselves. b:avoid

    note that 3k is for HA users. since it's physical damage a low (4-5k) hp AA will probably get one-shotted
  • Born_Free - Harshlands
    Born_Free - Harshlands Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I thought we had put out that only Red Tide's bleed counted as Physical damage, and we were all still trying to figure out if Soulburn was physical or not? .-.
  • Derressh - Dreamweaver
    Derressh - Dreamweaver Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »
    I thought we had put out that only Red Tide's bleed counted as Physical damage, and we were all still trying to figure out if Soulburn was physical or not? .-.

    Well considering what I posted, I say it's pretty safe to say that Soulburn is also Physical damage. (Some of us go and test things on our own. I've personally known this since level 5x)

    And I believe that the reflected damage from SoR is based on the type of attack that was used to break it. For example, I usually hit mobs for around 2.5k+ when I decide to have it on, but when a mag resist mob hits it with a magic attack, it lowers down to like 700.

    Still not 100% on SoV reflection, but I want to say it's physical.
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  • SSarmento - Raging Tide
    SSarmento - Raging Tide Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Soulburn is not physical.

    Try to cast soulburn while a 5aps hits you...it will be like...15k per second of soulburn? hehehehe

    But i think he is not dumb enought to keep hitting you...
  • SSarmento - Raging Tide
    SSarmento - Raging Tide Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Dont say you guys ddint cast soulburn while ppl are getting chi on the guards by west gate???
  • shirohigewb
    shirohigewb Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Another question... at lvl 59 you have to choose between earth vector and psychic will? which one is preferable to take?
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Still not 100% on SoV reflection, but I want to say it's physical.

    may i suggest hovering over the skill button and reading the skill description? b:avoid

    *stops trolling*
    i think that they recently addded that it's physical.
    it's on ecatomb too.


    about soulburn:
    dmg in increased magic res mobs = dmg in normal mobs > dmg in increased defense mobs
    also the dmg != my soulforce.

    i dont think that I would want more info to say that it's psysical dmg, decreased by the target's pdef.

    shirohigewb wrote: »
    Another question... at lvl 59 you have to choose between earth vector and psychic will? which one is preferable to take?

    no,no, you can take both. it would be the hardest decision if you could take only one (i think i would get earth vector though)
  • Derressh - Dreamweaver
    Derressh - Dreamweaver Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    no,no, you can take both. it would be the hardest decision if you could take only one (i think i would get earth vector though)

    I would pick Torrent.

    It's by far better than both of those skills combined.
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  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I would pick Torrent.

    It's by far better than both of those skills combined.

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  • Derressh - Dreamweaver
    Derressh - Dreamweaver Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yulkinfection? KILL IT WITH FIRE

    /douses fire with Torrent

    Do I win? b:question
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  • shirohigewb
    shirohigewb Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    What's better... buy an armor with for example 300 resistance in all elements or 600 in 2 or 3 elements?
  • LittIewg - Heavens Tear
    LittIewg - Heavens Tear Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    shirohigewb wrote: »
    What's better... buy an armor with for example 300 resistance in all elements or 600 in 2 or 3 elements?

    When I was below lvl 90 I never bought gear from the AH that had some ele res missing from it,Its not really worth it in my opinion. Just a tip btw,Always scan the AH for legendary gear thats around your lvl.(Dont really worry about getting nice legend gear until like lvl 70-79) Why? Because u can rock the lvl 70 set until lvl 90 then switch to TT or whatever suits you;) Hopefully that helped;)
  • Derressh - Dreamweaver
    Derressh - Dreamweaver Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    shirohigewb wrote: »
    What's better... buy an armor with for example 300 resistance in all elements or 600 in 2 or 3 elements?

    The only real problem with that, is that I've noticed 9 out of 10 times, if a piece of equipment is missing an element, it's either earth or metal. Meaning that while your other elemental defenses might be good (for example maybe 6k), your earth defense will fall far behind (probably close to around 3k-4k). This means that Earth mobs will hit you like almost physical damage, and you'll get owned by wizzies and other psys.

    Just a personal experience from a guy who wore a 3* 70 top missing earth res until level 90. b:surrender
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  • shirohigewb
    shirohigewb Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    About soulburn i just got it and i was testing it on mobs. I have 4850 soulforce but the mobs who attack me recive 3,2-4k but no the 4850 of my soulforce... why? i thought that this skill deal the damage equals your soulforce
  • Burningalpha - Lost City
    Burningalpha - Lost City Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The only real problem with that, is that I've noticed 9 out of 10 times, if a piece of equipment is missing an element, it's either earth or metal. Meaning that while your other elemental defenses might be good (for example maybe 6k), your earth defense will fall far behind (probably close to around 3k-4k). This means that Earth mobs will hit you like almost physical damage, and you'll get owned by wizzies and other psys.

    Just a personal experience from a guy who wore a 3* 70 top missing earth res until level 90. b:surrender

    i just lol'ed at this sir
    on ym psy i just got a lvl 70 gear that only had metal and fire element res. i dont rember what piece it was tho
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  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    shirohigewb wrote: »
    About soulburn i just got it and i was testing it on mobs. I have 4850 soulforce but the mobs who attack me recive 3,2-4k but no the 4850 of my soulforce... why? i thought that this skill deal the damage equals your soulforce

    the mob has defenses so the dmg is reduced.
    just like any of your skills: in theory the dmg you should do is
    basic magic attack + X% weapon damage + Y elemental damage
    but you dont cause it's reduced by the mob's defenses

    it's just that the formula is too complex and involves random numbers so.. xd


    and about elemental res:
    1)if you fight a mob/boss with a certain elemental attack it's better to have higher res in that element. *points at clerics with wood armors*
    2)by compining pieces with missing resistances you can get higher pdef/mdef but it's tricky.

    for example, when i tanked 59 i had different pieces for each boss. well, not 5x sets, more like 2-3x sets. or when i was 4x i had some sleeves with 2 res but a really nice pdef boost (3x pdef stats and the natural pdef was higher). you could say that i was LA with AA xD
  • shirohigewb
    shirohigewb Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I see thx

    Another question. When a mob atacks me with physical attacks it hits me arround 300dmg but when mobs attack me with magical attacks they hit me arround 300dmg too... and i've 400 phys def and 2400 def on elements... why i get the same damage? I though i'd could be more resistant against magic attacks
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    shirohigewb wrote: »
    I see thx

    Another question. When a mob atacks me with physical attacks it hits me arround 300dmg but when mobs attack me with magical attacks they hit me arround 300dmg too... and i've 400 phys def and 2400 def on elements... why i get the same damage? I though i'd could be more resistant against magic attacks

    well that shouldnt happen. same level mob? do u have black voodoo on? are u sure it's a physical attack or magical? some mobs have attacks that look magical but they are not
  • shirohigewb
    shirohigewb Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    well that shouldnt happen. same level mob? do u have black voodoo on? are u sure it's a physical attack or magical? some mobs have attacks that look magical but they are not

    Yes i've black voodoo on but i've it for both attacks so... for example with terrestrial foxwing they are fire type and they throw like fire balls that deals me arround 300 and if they attack me with physical attack deals me ~320
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    a bit weird.

    i dont remember that mob but i think that i read about fireballs that inflict physical dmg :/

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