Not cash shop but this is crazy...

Gjinja - Raging Tide

Are you kidding me? If I'm reading this correctly it's crazy... I'm trying to trade in some Mystery Chips (an interest spurred by the new DQ items points thing) for a Windcatcher mold (which I bought one outright a while back for 150k coin) & the Mystery Merchant wants me to trade 76 chips+1,620,000 coin for one? hahaha XD

Also looking at the Golden Spirits, the merchant wants 45 chips+ 2mil coin... they're selling in the AH for that (or less) - the chips.

Um, I'm not really a whiner, but that's rediculously imbalanced... or am I reading the merchant requirements wrong? If so please enlighten me.

Also, imo this is paramount to scamming... I went to the Mystery Merchant to see what I needed to trade for these things based on the new point system (trading pts for mystery chips & in turn trading those for items). when you go to the Myst Merchant & click on items to see what you need, so you can get the correct amount of chips, etc, it shows NO FEE UNTIL AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE CHIPS. That seems a bit misleading & scammish... at least change it so the fees are shown regardless if you have the chips or not so ppl know.

Now I have 200 chips for things I can't afford to trade there... & wouldn't if I did have the coin since I could/would buy the same items for the same amount or cheaper in the AH/catshops. I'm grown up so I'm not naive enough to think I'll be getting anything back from PWI (I traded Tokens, gotten from packs, bought with gold from buying Zen, for these chips so they weren't 'free') since I needed the Golden Spirits now... If someone in RL pulled this on my child I'd be down at their store demanding to see the manager & getting a refund.

BTW, now that I know just how screwed I am on this deal the chips are untradable as well so I can't even try to recoup my losses... 200 chips= 180 tokens (15 per pack= $12 rl money), not the end of the world to most, but I'm disabled living on about $600 per month & PWI is about the only form of entertainment I allow myself, able to afford $10 or so for ZEN every 2-4 months if that, so yeah, it's kinda a big deal to me.

PWI is a great game... why you gotta ruin it with stuff like this?

Kaste - Sanctuary

Same happened to me, I started getting chips when i noticed you still have to pay the merchant. All my DQ points are lost now >_>.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

its not like chips are a new thing, you didnt lose anything by getting the chips, its not like money was taken out of your pocket. i dont see how adding something extra ruins anything.

chipping fee sets a price ceiling, so people arent charging 30m for 3-3 gold mats, for molds its silly since there are so many molds on the market because of BH.

trade your chips for dice tickets, its free.

chazk

Gjinjas main point is that the amount of COIN needed along with the chips is NOT shown.

That the REAL Cost is NOT shown when you go check out the Mysterious Merchant..to me is either an oversight or sneaky.

In the Boutique the price is shown... same with the Auction House and the NPCs.

The amount of COINS required to purchase something with yer Mysterious Chips SHOULD BE SHOWN ALSO.... for forthrightness....

Chazk

Belgare - Sanctuary

Correct, the OP's point has nothing to do with what you responded with SashaGray. The guy did lose out because he bought packs with his money that he got tokens from, then used the tokens he paid for to aquire something that is essentially useless to him because the process is not explained or set to deliberately mislead. There is a problem with that.

ZeroDefects - Dreamweaver

belgrae he already said he got the chips from the DQ points thing - so he didnt spend anything (unless I missed something there) his point about the $12 is irrelevant if that is the case.

just trade your chips for dice tickets and sell the dice tickets.. or use em to get exp via the cube. if you sell them then that might recoup what you made npcing the dq items rather than selling them to other player.. or not.

storehammy

Hasn't mystery chips always worked like that......?
b:surrender

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

yeah, since they came out, its pretty much QQ because OP thought they were gonna get free molds from selling DQs, which would be an awful idea anyway, chip fee's are one of the last real coin sinks the game still has.

if you wanna see the chip fees for everything, go to http://www.pwdatabase.com/items/19277

click "show all" at the bottom of the list, since there are so many things you can make with chips.

click on the thing you want and go to the recipe to see the coin fee.

it would certainly be more convenient if the coin amount was show before you had all the chips, but it isn't.


@Belgare, read it again.

Belgare - Sanctuary

OP is a friend of mine, my version of the tale is accurate with regards to the tokens he used. I was just informing you people.

Themax - Heavens Tear

I remember long time ago when I bought some chips to make gold mats for GX axes I found out that on top of the extremely expensive gold mats I needed to come up with I think it was 22 mil of coin ... Was I upset ...

I think I have one of the most expensive GX axes on the server lol ... But that was really a long time ago...

FEES must be shown rightaway!

QQ

Gjinja - Raging Tide

Those of you who think I'm trying to get something for nothing & upset that I can't go read the post again, all of it this time... I paid for those tokens out of my pocket. I've yet to cash in any DQ points & probably never will.

Chazk, Belgare & Themax, thanks for getting the point.

ZeroDefects - Dreamweaver

actually your post was unclear otherwise people would all have got what you were saying. at least I offered you an option - make dice tickets which can be traded where chips cannot. you can at least recoup some funds from the fiasco

Xarathox - Dreamweaver

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

trade your chips for dice tickets, its free.

This.

I do this with the chips I get from BH100 as reward. Then I either use them to do cube for free, or sell them to cat shops for coin. 50 chips = 100 dice tickets. That's 300-400k easy.

Now, with the DQ rewards system and BH100, I can get a whole bunch of chips per week and make a few mil w/o effort.

Gjinja - Raging Tide

Gjinja - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm grown up so I'm not naive enough to think I'll be getting anything back from PWI (I traded Tokens, gotten from packs, bought with gold from buying Zen, for these chips so they weren't 'free') since I needed the Golden Spirits now... If someone in RL pulled this on my child I'd be down at their store demanding to see the manager & getting a refund.

What's unclear about that? "they weren't free" seems pretty unequivocal.

& thanks for the option Zero, if indeed the dice tickets can be traded then that's a viable option.

An even better suggestion Xarathox, thanks for that!

Isn't it a wonderful world we live in someone has to go through all this just for a game to appear to be relatively fair, wouldn't it just be easier to show the total cost up front? (which was my point to begin with) lol

shnuggles

Moved to general.

Xarathox - Dreamweaver

I agree that the chip fee needs to be upfront, whether you have chips or not so you can figure out the total cost vs. just outright buying from someone else.

Typhyse - Sanctuary

Join the club.
It sucks, it's another way they make money. They won't change it because they can get a few extra dollars out of the pockets of people like us who think we can get a better deal that way...
Suck it up, live with it. That's what I'm doing and all I can say.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

chazk wrote: »

Gjinjas main point is that the amount of COIN needed along with the chips is NOT shown.

That the REAL Cost is NOT shown when you go check out the Mysterious Merchant..to me is either an oversight or sneaky.

In the Boutique the price is shown... same with the Auction House and the NPCs.

The amount of COINS required to purchase something with yer Mysterious Chips SHOULD BE SHOWN ALSO.... for forthrightness....

Chazk

This is a non-issue. The Mysterious Merchant provides a baseline for price. While I agree that it sucks that you don't see how much coin you need until you have enough chips to get the mat you want, you can always see how much something costs by going here:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/search

Of course, it's gonna be cheaper to get molds from the AH or from friends... before BH, some molds were cheaper if you could actually chip them... though the only place you could get chips was in the cube. Since then, all molds except for a few rare ones are mostly worthless.

Gold Mats you say? Most of them are worthless drops, you can find them much cheaper, duh. Just look in the AH. The only real mats that might be worth chipping are 99 Gold armor mats... Illusion Stone, Sorceress Soul, Giant Beast's Footprint and Ghost Lord's Protection... Those mats generally sell for the coin cost at the merchant, sometimes more. So in those cases when you can't find the mat you need you can chip it. All the other lower gold mats have been over-farmed by many so yeah, you can find them for cheaper from someone who actually farmed it.

The problem would have been completely avoided if you had actually bothered to do just a little bit of research.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

As iterated by Sasha it's a price ceiling, something that the OP has refused to acknowledge in their tangent. It's a prevention of an item from becoming way too overpriced, so it's rather hilarious I read "zomg its another way pwi can make moar money". The reflection of how much it costs in the AH has nothing to do with it because the price in the AH is not static -- it's based on supply and demand entirely relevant to two parties: buyer and seller. Chip amounts and chip coin costs in addition have been the same and have never been related to the AH cost. I remember when people used to rip so many others off from Steppenwolf Capes because no one knew of how much cheaper it was to chip it versus how much the mold was being sold for. Then as people realized it, the price went down, because it made no sense to buy something for a higher price than it would cost to make it with chips. Shoulda woulda coulda bla bla. Would have just been smarter to just say you hate the cost and be done with it. The extra whining just made you look foolish.

Eoria - Harshlands

Save your chips for your 99 gears. You'll need them.

Xarathox - Dreamweaver

Just saw two people not read the thread lol.

Typhyse - Sanctuary

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so it's rather hilarious I read "zomg its another way pwi can make moar money"

It's money that's being paid to PWI for packs to get tokens to trade for chips (unless one did Cube for them) rather than doing TT runs.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's money that's being paid to PWI for packs to get tokens to trade for chips (unless one did Cube for them) rather than doing TT runs.

Not everything have to do with packs. Go to any decent geared 100+ and they'll have thousands of chips in bank. I know i personally have 5k+ chips in bank at a given time... before i used them.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As iterated by Sasha it's a price ceiling, something that the OP has refused to acknowledge in their tangent.

Remember how much Sky Demon's Pearl or Demon Slaughter Belt were before cheap chips?

Sky Demon's Pearl used to sell for 9m on LC. Belt for like 6 or 7. TC cape was 10-12m and Calamity Axes were 6-10m (depending on timeframe).

Can you imagine how much Illusion Stone would sell for if there were no chip option now? 30m? 40m?

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

ok so re-read OP and at the bottom if it there is a vague allusion to buying tokens for chips, the first 2 paragraphs being about DQ points > chips made the point unclear.

the rest of what i said stands

Shnuggles wrote: »

Moved to general.

so how come the thread in my sig was moved to cash-shop huddle?
buying packs for tokens isnt cash shop, but using them is?
how come it was moved with no reason given, and no mod said they moved it?
how come frankie has yet to respond to my email about it being moved incorrectly that i sent 2 weeks ago?

Siuki - Dreamweaver

180 tokens = around 1.8m
thats around 4-5$ not 12$, no1 asked you to gamble and buy packs to get chips from tokens
if you chose to the most expensive way to gain tokens then it will never be worth to buy chips

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Remember how much Sky Demon's Pearl or Demon Slaughter Belt were before cheap chips?

Sky Demon's Pearl used to sell for 9m on LC. Belt for like 6 or 7. TC cape was 10-12m and Calamity Axes were 6-10m (depending on timeframe).

Can you imagine how much Illusion Stone would sell for if there were no chip option now? 30m? 40m?

Yep. And the gold 99 Soul mat from 3-2 or ADS.

Chips are the reason the Tauran Chieftan mold didn't get even more ridiculously expensive even in it's most expensive time.

It's too bad those complaining about chips and coins don't know the obvious benefits are. Just another QQ session. Chips are far more plentiful with 100+ BH's and daily cube runs. Hell, even doing COA weekly you can get a rather large cache of chips. While it's beneficial to buy with tokens, just having the easy option, it's not even remotely the only choice. People who learn very little about the game then come to conclusions based on their little knowledge are funny -- p.s. hi OP.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's money that's being paid to PWI for packs to get tokens to trade for chips (unless one did Cube for them) rather than doing TT runs.

BH100, cube, COA, I'm sure there's plenty more to get chips themselves (stash) or the boxes. The end of the above post was also meant for you.

Meeeeowwwwww - Raging Tide

Siuki - Dreamweaver wrote: »

180 tokens = around 1.8m
thats around 4-5$ not 12$, no1 asked you to gamble and buy packs to get chips from tokens
if you chose to the most expensive way to gain tokens then it will never be worth to buy chips

He got them from DQ Rewards o.o;;

, And yea I think they need to make it to where it shows the coin first before chips LOL, I thought no coins needed a long time ago, got abuncha chips, and I was wondering why I couldnt make something ... I saw the coin amount, I was like WOW b:shockedb:cryb:angry

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Coin costs are really just to set a ceiling for prices.

With the TT changes if it wasn't for chips then I can garuntee that at least on RT, TT golds would be insane, 50mil for illusion stones most likely.

buttercupcruella

Really people? Did you JUST realize the huge mystery??? It's been like this forever.... Nothing new, nothing scammy.b:surrender