Highest Hitting Class

z7o

I mainly play MMO's for PvP. The way I play PvP usually leans towards the 'glass cannon' approach, as I love seeing big numbers come up on my screen. Usually, in games like this, the Wizard/Mage class is the highest hitting class. Is that true on this game? If so, or if not, what contributes to the high hits, or what makes the other class hit more?
Basically, I am looking for the highest hitting PvP class I can pull off nukes with and laugh as people hit the floor.. What class would you guys reccomend, and why? Thanks.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

The class who hits the highest per skill is a Psychic, but they usually suck on people who know what they are doing against a psy. The class who hits the highest per second is a demon BM/sin.

DPS > DPH

volst

Psy technically hit the hardest because of their buff. But since their hardest hitting skill isn't available until after a long *** cultivation at 100 and around 50m coins, wiz is better for the DPH approach.

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

Wizard.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

psy is the class you're thinking of.

But realistically?

Wizard


Both classes are tough to play correctly. I play a wizard, so ofc I would personally recomend the wiz.

BlastingWave - Harshlands

well in my personal opinion < might be a bit biased > wiz and psy hit equally but the thing is that in the time wizy land 1 spell psy land 2 , but this doesnt mean that psy outdamage wizz, fact is that while psy have extremely fast channel the skills over all give much lesser damage out put compared to wizzies , most of their skills at max give you 200% of weapon damg wizzys give 300% also the hardest hitting psy skill is ther lvl 100 one which still only gives 400% of weapon damage whereas Wizard's Black ice dragon strike and mountain siege give 500% of weapon damg not to mention that Black ice dragon strike is THE MOST POWERFUL SKILL IN THE GAME ( damage wise speaking) .So since psy can land 2 spells even though wizzy spell deal more damg it becomes equal or almost equal.


other than these 2 classes , 5APS blademaster and assasins are the absolute best dders

Demon_EA - Harshlands

nobody say archer q.q... damn you bms, sins, wiz and psys! Q,Q

BlastingWave - Harshlands

yeash Archers are dd too but they are like machine guns and psy is like a cannon shooting hard powerful shells , but wiz wizzies are the real NUKES they take time to launch but man do they hit hard ,soo when you say nuke you mean Wizzy .

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Psys may hit hard, but they die easily. Black voodo, 2 shot. White voodo, cant hurt me.

BIDS is not the hardest hitting skill damage wise, Armageddon is.

Wizzys are not squishy, having high def while having high attack is great. They are annoying kiters, and can 1 shot barbs with a mere sandstorm or gs. Undine hurts.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Demon_EA - Harshlands wrote: »

nobody say archer q.q... damn you bms, sins, wiz and psys! Q,Q

Man don't even complain lol, i wasted a year on my archer until i found out a pro bm can beat me. But i would have still rocked as an archer. I was going to go sage, don't ask why.

Kai_Umi - Heavens Tear

Everyone know it s wizzard who hit the hardest in this game ( and no i don t talk about DPS/DPH , they just hit the hardest with one atk)

Over_Kill - Lost City

Kai_Umi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Everyone know it s wizzard who hit the hardest in this game ( and no i don t talk about DPS/DPH , they just hit the hardest with one atk)

Actually you guys will be surprised psy's lvl 100 skill with black voodoo and barb perdition with high hp hits harder then anything a wiz can dish out on its own.

BlastingWave - Harshlands

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Psys may hit hard, but they die easily. Black voodo, 2 shot. White voodo, cant hurt me.

BIDS is not the hardest hitting skill damage wise, Armageddon is.

Wizzys are not squishy, having high def while having high attack is great. They are annoying kiters, and can 1 shot barbs with a mere sandstorm or gs. Undine hurts.

well i dunno about the damg that Armageddon does but i do know that its damg is heavily dependant on the Barbs build since it consumes 50% hp and MP soo a barb with pure str build will do significantly less damg compared to hp barb soo its potentially the highest damging skill. BIDS will never give lower numbers cause dmg from it depends on weapon attack which is atleast 1800 on avg for high lvl wizzies not to mention the base magic attack is wohoo . But since i dont have the exact no's and calculations for both skills so IM NOT GONA SAY I CANT BE WRONG
Also completely agreed about the kitting abilities of a wiz they make them at 90+ lvl phenomenol . Also cause of undine wizard will always have the highest damg in game ,black woodo or not psy cant outdamge a wiz using undineb:victory

Kaste - Sanctuary

BM: Can do high AoE damage with zerk axes, heavens flame, blah blah. Also 5 aps rocks, one of the highest dps in game.

Wiz: One of the, if not THE no1 1-hit-nuke class in game. BIDS, Sandstorm and tempest are just a few ways for them to kick your *** in 1 devastating strike, though slow cast.

Archer: Nice damage, long range physical and magical attacks. Can defeat most classes and have 5 aps with fists at endgame.

Cleric: More support class, has a hard hitting skill though, Tempest.

Barb: Can possibly deal a lot of damage
by going vit -> armageddon
by going dex -> 5 aps

Demon barbs can attack in tiger form without any damage penalty which makes them hard opponents.

Sin: 5 aps.

psy: similar to wiz, just faster channeling and less damage. black vodoo makes them hit damage similar to wiz, though reduces own defense.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

z7o wrote: »

I mainly play MMO's for PvP.

People missed the real issue: how much CASH are you going to put into your toon?

Without cash, pvp, wiz will suck.

No cash: go Archer, psychic, assassin or BM for pk.

With enough cash: wiz will be ok in pk and super fun in territory war at end game.

Moderate cash: IDK, maybe veno/psychic become options as well.


Wiz is one of the most FUN classes to play, however. Our skills are cool, 1 shotting people is very, very cool, and there are so few of us you can't help but feel unique. b:victory

Borsuc - Raging Tide

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

BIDS is not the hardest hitting skill damage wise, Armageddon is.

Nope, triple sparked wiz with Blade Tempest is hardest hitting skill damage wise against a LA target... I would dare say even more than Black Voodoo + Stone Smasher. Provided you have a good endgame weapon.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wizzys are not squishy, having high def while having high attack is great. They are annoying kiters, and can 1 shot barbs with a mere sandstorm or gs. Undine hurts.

1-shot barbs with sandstorm, you're funny.

That should be 1-shot noobie barbs maybe. Get a barb with comparable eq to your weap first, that can have 30k HP if your weapon is +10.

Also squishy = low HP, not low def. Wizards and Psychics are squishy, but they can have formidable defense. Stone barrier for wizards is insane with good refined ornaments, and psychics' white-voodoo makes them take like 50% less damage or more (not half though). A good psychic only uses black voodoo when nuking, like you would use the frenzy genie skill.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

I have seen sandstorm 1 shot a barb, full vit stoned. He only used undine, poison and frenzy with +10 neon purg.And it critted.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have seen sandstorm 1 shot a barb, full vit stoned. He only used undine, poison and frenzy with +10 neon purg.And it critted.

The wizards are talking
and the wizards say you're wrong.

Let me tell you people something right now- undine is awsome, but it's not THAT awesome. It increases my max damage by afew thousand (PvE) but not as much that black voodoo can.
In PvP undine adds maybe an extra 1k to my attacks tops, which sounds awesome, and it is, but against an equi-geared barb, it should only tickle them if I'm using sandstorm.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Full vit stone barb, are you serious? How much HP then, 35k?

Because you would need to do a 140k crit on mobs to get that high of a 1-shot... and this is assuming his resistances are 0, which undine does NOT do... heck, if he's buffed, even less! (it reduces base def by 60%, not buffs)

With sandstorm? lol

Blade_aether - Lost City

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

The class who hits the highest per skill is a Psychic, but they usually suck on people who know what they are doing against a psy. The class who hits the highest per second is a demon BM/sin.

DPS > DPH

You are bad, very bad. 5.0APS Sage BMs cannot exist first of all. -.55 interval max as an Archer/Sin, and -.45 for BMs because of lack of rank interval top. Secondly, Mages are technically highest average if you factor in Ulti's like Sage Ice Dragons. Although, alternative, full vit barbs hit hardest if jones blessing'd and a zerk crit with Geddon and ToP, albeit 24 vit stones puts them at 32-36k in standing when ToP'd. Next you can look at sage Sins and their 80% crit with wolf emblem and zerk daggers, albeit their native weapon damage is low, but with spark pots and damage amps, it would not be impossible for a sin to crit over 60k in PVP. So what is the hardest hitting class? I would say that depends on which class you think is the prettiest/How many dollar bills your wallet can fit for +12 wep refines.

Asperitas - Lost City

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

People missed the real issue: how much CASH are you going to put into your toon?

Without cash, pvp, wiz will suck.

No cash: go Archer, psychic, assassin or BM for pk.

With enough cash: wiz will be ok in pk and super fun in territory war at end game.

Moderate cash: IDK, maybe veno/psychic become options as well.


Wiz is one of the most FUN classes to play, however. Our skills are cool, 1 shotting people is very, very cool, and there are so few of us you can't help but feel unique. b:victory

What's your definition of no cash? If you mean basic TT90 gears, TT90 gold axe, +3-5 refines, I don't think BMs fare that well.

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »

One of the, if not THE no1 1-hit-nuke class in game. BIDS, Sandstorm and tempest are just a few ways for them to kick your *** in 1 devastating strike, though slow cast.

Hope you mean blade tempest.b:surrender

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Blade_aether - Lost City wrote: »

You are bad, very bad. 5.0APS Sage BMs cannot exist first of all. -.55 interval max as an Archer/Sin, and -.45 for BMs because of lack of rank interval top. Secondly, Mages are technically highest average if you factor in Ulti's like Sage Ice Dragons. Although, alternative, full vit barbs hit hardest if jones blessing'd and a zerk crit with Geddon and ToP, albeit 24 vit stones puts them at 32-36k in standing when ToP'd. Next you can look at sage Sins and their 80% crit with wolf emblem and zerk daggers, albeit their native weapon damage is low, but with spark pots and damage amps, it would not be impossible for a sin to crit over 60k in PVP. So what is the hardest hitting class? I would say that depends on which class you think is the prettiest/How many dollar bills your wallet can fit for +12 wep refines.

You sir do not know anything about bms. 4.0 + Cyclone Heel = 5.0.

Most sins are going demon now-a-days for dps, and also to make sin hit harder is to use the power dash glitch then subsea afterwards.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Full vit stone barb, are you serious? How much HP then, 35k?

Because you would need to do a 140k crit on mobs to get that high of a 1-shot... and this is assuming his resistances are 0, which undine does NOT do... heck, if he's buffed, even less! (it reduces base def by 60%, not buffs)

With sandstorm? lol

I was in a squad with the barb, he only had 22k atm. and my mistake, not full stoned. He said he was only like 30 base vit or something like that. Everything was vit stoned except his helm and boots. Even so he could not kill the wizard because all he had was +8 frost hammers and does not know to use tiger form wisely.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

What's your definition of no cash? If you mean basic TT90 gears, TT90 gold axe, +3-5 refines, I don't think BMs fare that well.

On your server in general? I am sure you are right.

Against equally geared players on any server? The hell they wouldn't.

All this fancy schmancy 5 aps makes people forget what roar>HF>face roll can do. Hell, throw in any of a half dozen genie skills and its gg more than 50% of the time to equal geared arcane/LA classes.

Possible exception fish. I know nothing about fish - cept to KOS them when I can b:thanks

Kaste - Sanctuary

Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hope you mean blade tempest.b:surrender

Indeed I do mean blade tempest. And I am aware that clerics to have a skill called tempest. I just didn't feel like typing in "blade".

/kthxbai

Juggalobeast - Harshlands

Psyics hit hard yes but they are pure magic.Any demon barb can drop a psyics of anylv in a few tiny shots 1 with aramgeddon if they not expecting it if they use white voodoo jsut invoke the sprit and flesh rem its cause havoc on AA class's If you see a good time for perdiction(Armageddon use it when there not glowing with lighting aka white voodoo that should 1 shot Psyics hit the hardest magical but when it comes to psyical i have to say barbs because there all str /vit

Regenbogen - Lost City

after trowing a look into archer forum...i did some calcs...

Psychic:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=dc1149b35696d3ae
weapon: min 2083 +200 +194 max 2447 +460 +194 -> max 3101
base: 16003-19878
buffed/sparked: 35846-44526
atklv: 55(gear)+50(frenzy/jones)+25(sage black vodoo) -> maxatklv 130

Stone Smasher: base+400%gear+10253

unbuffed: 42535
+55atklv: 65929.25
+75atllv: 74436.25
+130atklv: 97830.5

sparked: 67183
+55atklv: 104133.65
+75atklv: 117570.25
+130atklv: 154520.9 -> 309041.8crit

Wizard:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3eb9c54ec32dea9a (yes a pataka cause we want highest possible damage and it has the highest maxdmg of all magic weapons)
weapon: min 1980 +200 +194 max 2777 +460 +194 -> max 3431
base: 15314-21857
buffed/sparked: 34364-49046
atklv: 55(gear)+50(frenzy/jones) -> maxatkatklv 105

BIDS: basematk+500%gear+13955
unbuffed: 52967
+30atklv: 68857.1
+50atklv: 79450.5
+105atklv: 108582.35

sparked: 80156
+30atklv: 104202.8
+50atklv: 120234
+105atklv: 164319.8

BT: <basematk+200%gear+6200>*2

unbuffed: 69838
+30atklv: 90789.4
+50atklv: 104757
+105atklv: 143167.9

sparked: 124216
+30atklv: 161480.8
+50atklv: 186324
+105atklv: 254642.8 -> 509285.6crit

result:
bt owns everything(except armageddon)
wizards dph > psy dph
the higher basedamage results in more extradmg per atklv

Longknife - Harshlands

The hell? Is everyone in this thread on drugs?

Psychic has better damage per SECOND, Wiz has better damage per hit. OP is asking for the highest hitting class, which is DPH.

Black voodoo only adds 22% damage onto a Psychic's attack, BUT Psychics have lower-hitting spells than Wizard to begin with. If a Wizard and Psychic both spam their basic skills (Aqua Impact and Spirit Blast, Pyrogram and Gush), Psychic has higher DPS and DPH, because all those skills have the same damage on both classes and Psy has an extra 22% damage.
If Wizard and Psy start using their mid-tier spells (Aqua Cannon, Glacial shards and Sandburst Blast, Sandstorm and Glacial Snare), they should break about even because Wizard spells are superior but Psys still have Black voodoo. When you move to top tier spells, Wizard's spells are sooooooo immensely better that Black voodoo just doesn't even matter. Wizzies hit FAR harder per hit than a Psy can ever hope to. At the same time, soulspheres are there as a control: they have less damage on them than traditional magic weaponry. This also means that 100% weapon damage on a skill for a wizzie is greater than 100% weapon damage on a skill for a Psy.

Psys have a limit that they hit: it's called 200% weapon damage and 6295 additional damage. Wizzie damage just keeps going through the roof. I don't even think the level 100 Psy ultimate AOE could outdamage a Wizzie's ultimates....

As it's been said: Psy is DPS and Wizzie is DPH. A Psy deals the most damage possible by sticking to it's two basic spells and spamming the living hell out of them. A Wizzie on the other hand would gladly use the higher tier slow-but-deadly skills it has avaliable and cast those ultimates, hitting insane amounts.

Of course Perdition can hit even harder, but I think OP is looking for the class with the overall best DPH; not just one ultimate skill that has limited use.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

The hell? Is everyone in this thread on drugs?

Psychic has better damage per SECOND, Wiz has better damage per hit. OP is asking for the highest hitting class, which is DPH.

Black voodoo only adds 22% damage onto a Psychic's attack, BUT Psychics have lower-hitting spells than Wizard to begin with. If a Wizard and Psychic both spam their basic skills (Aqua Impact and Spirit Blast, Pyrogram and Gush), Psychic has higher DPS and DPH, because all those skills have the same damage on both classes and Psy has an extra 22% damage.
If Wizard and Psy start using their mid-tier spells (Aqua Cannon, Glacial shards and Sandburst Blast, Sandstorm and Glacial Snare), they should break about even because Wizard spells are superior but Psys still have Black voodoo. When you move to top tier spells, Wizard's spells are sooooooo immensely better that Black voodoo just doesn't even matter. Wizzies hit FAR harder per hit than a Psy can ever hope to. At the same time, soulspheres are there as a control: they have less damage on them than traditional magic weaponry. This also means that 100% weapon damage on a skill for a wizzie is greater than 100% weapon damage on a skill for a Psy.

Psys have a limit that they hit: it's called 200% weapon damage and 6295 additional damage. Wizzie damage just keeps going through the roof. I don't even think the level 100 Psy ultimate AOE could outdamage a Wizzie's ultimates....

As it's been said: Psy is DPS and Wizzie is DPH. A Psy deals the most damage possible by sticking to it's two basic spells and spamming the living hell out of them. A Wizzie on the other hand would gladly use the higher tier slow-but-deadly skills it has avaliable and cast those ultimates, hitting insane amounts.

Of course Perdition can hit even harder, but I think OP is looking for the class with the overall best DPH; not just one ultimate skill that has limited use.

+1 b:chuckle

Regenbogen - Lost City

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

The hell? Is everyone in this thread on drugs?

Psychic has better damage per SECOND, Wiz has better damage per hit. OP is asking for the highest hitting class, which is DPH.

Black voodoo only adds 22% damage onto a Psychic's attack, BUT Psychics have lower-hitting spells than Wizard to begin with. If a Wizard and Psychic both spam their basic skills (Aqua Impact and Spirit Blast, Pyrogram and Gush), Psychic has higher DPS and DPH, because all those skills have the same damage on both classes and Psy has an extra 22% damage.
If Wizard and Psy start using their mid-tier spells (Aqua Cannon, Glacial shards and Sandburst Blast, Sandstorm and Glacial Snare), they should break about even because Wizard spells are superior but Psys still have Black voodoo. When you move to top tier spells, Wizard's spells are sooooooo immensely better that Black voodoo just doesn't even matter. Wizzies hit FAR harder per hit than a Psy can ever hope to. At the same time, soulspheres are there as a control: they have less damage on them than traditional magic weaponry. This also means that 100% weapon damage on a skill for a wizzie is greater than 100% weapon damage on a skill for a Psy.

Psys have a limit that they hit: it's called 200% weapon damage and 6295 additional damage. Wizzie damage just keeps going through the roof. I don't even think the level 100 Psy ultimate AOE could outdamage a Wizzie's ultimates....

As it's been said: Psy is DPS and Wizzie is DPH. A Psy deals the most damage possible by sticking to it's two basic spells and spamming the living hell out of them. A Wizzie on the other hand would gladly use the higher tier slow-but-deadly skills it has avaliable and cast those ultimates, hitting insane amounts.

Of course Perdition can hit even harder, but I think OP is looking for the class with the overall best DPH; not just one ultimate skill that has limited use.

see above your post b:bye