Archer vs Wizard

FateBlade - Lost City

Which better for TW/PvP etc.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Wizard hands down.

Wizard pretty is the most hardcore 1vs1 pvp in my opinion. Also their skills have the coolest graphics. Not to mention their 59 skills look super cool and kills in TW.

Archers are kinda the class to survive ganks in. I've seen an archer tank about 18 9x players attacking at once, fully cash shopper

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Guessing you mean endgame, in which case wiz wins.

Archer has higher dps than wiz, but not by enough to justify wearing LA, which gets wtfpwnt endgame.

And nothing feels better than dropping a BIDS in a tw and just watching the sea of red numbers rise up, then all the noobs fall down.

But this is a dated argument.
Nowadays the Psychic wins. They have better dps (with black voodoo, I may be wrong in the case of clawchers) and they also have nukes. Not to mention things like soul of stunning, soul of silence, physchic will, etc...

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Guessing you mean endgame, in which case wiz wins.

Archer has higher dps than wiz, but not by enough to justify wearing LA, which gets wtfpwnt endgame.

And nothing feels better than dropping a BIDS in a tw and just watching the sea of red numbers rise up, then all the noobs fall down.

But this is a dated argument.
Nowadays the Psychic wins. They have better dps (with black voodoo, I may be wrong in the case of clawchers) and they also have nukes. Not to mention things like soul of stunning, soul of silence, physchic will, etc...

orly? Psychics are better?

In TW I've only ever gotten killed by two psychics. One is a rank 8 psychic who seems to consistently crit for 5 digit numbers. The other got a lucky shot on me during a faceroll TW and I was tabbed out posting my squad's attendance (yea, enemy base = bad place to afk). No other psychic has ever ended up in my "You have been killed by____" logs.

Wizards on the other hand...I see those quite often. I'm also willing to bet they see me quite often.

Niteshadows - Harshlands

archers>TW
wiz>pvp

btw nice sigs Aesthor. i would tap those 2 from behind XD

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Niteshadows - Harshlands wrote: »

archers>TW
wiz>pvp

btw nice sigs Aesthor. i would tap those 2 from behind XD

Um, the opposite of this ^

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wizard pretty is the most hardcore 1vs1 pvp in my opinion.

1 vs 1? Nope. BMs, Archers, sins (hello?), even nix veno's tend to be better 1 vs 1.

1 vs 80 in TW? Different story . . . .

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

1 vs 1? Nope. BMs, Archers, sins (hello?), even nix veno's tend to be better 1 vs 1.

You should know that archers suck ridiculously endgame. Archer can't hurt wiz unless they have 5aps base and immobalize genie skills.

Otherwise, wiz having 10k p def and 15k mag def endgame is beast.

Also, i tend to kill more psy's then i do wizzies. Pro wiz > Pro psy.

Every psy uses the same old trick on me which is easy counterable. Every 89+ wiz always uses the same combo, and tends to kill 5k magic def, which i can't counter without genie. A psy only hurts my by vengeance.

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

You should know that archers suck ridiculously endgame. Archer can't hurt wiz unless they have 5aps base and immobalize genie skills.

Otherwise, wiz having 10k p def and 15k mag def endgame is beast.

Hilarious BM is hilarious.

Yeah, Wizards have epic pdef...with Stone Barrier up...

That's where the trusty purge proc on the Heaven Shatterer comes in.b:pleased

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hilarious BM is hilarious.

Yeah, Wizards have epic pdef...with Stone Barrier up...

That's where the trusty purge proc on the Heaven Shatterer comes in.b:pleased

*leaps back out of harms way* *click* yay def is back up.

Devoted - Lost City

teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »

trusty Purge Proc

ಠ_ಠ........

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

You should know that archers suck ridiculously endgame. Archer can't hurt wiz unless they have 5aps base and immobalize genie skills.

1 vs 1 against a wizard? Nope, not true.

In group pk, maybe.

In TW? I agree wiz is better, but archers rock in TW and hardly suck. The worst classes in TW? Cata barbs and cata support BMs --- YAWN!!! Everyone needs 'em, but god I wouldn't want to play them.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Archer can't hurt wiz unless they have 5aps base and immobalize genie skills.

Otherwise, wiz having 10k p def and 15k mag def endgame is beast.

So, you think it likely that an end game archer who is equally geared to a wiz with 10k pdef and 15k mag def wouldn't have 5 aps and immobilize genie skills?

90% of end game archers have aps, better range that wiz, better stuns than wiz (we have no stuns, only 1 seal and 1 sleep), better crit, just about equal kiting skills, they have choice of physical and magic attacks, etc. etc. etc.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also, i tend to kill more psy's then i do wizzies. Pro wiz > Pro psy.

This is probably true, but there are a few crazy geared psychics out there that might disagree with you . . . .

And it isn't by much. Most of my fights against psychics are 10 minute charm ****.

Against physical classes, the edge probably goes to the wiz.

Adroit - Lost City

Archer and wiz are pretty well balanced imo. Both are AMAZING in TW and good in world pvp. I can lolrape most archers I fight, but there are a few out there that know what they are doing which leads to some pretty epic fights. I like to think of archers as the ranged single target class, and wiz and the ranged aoe class.. but it all really comes down to the person behind the character more than anything else.

Putica - Raging Tide

i mean wizzies have awesome aoes but...stun (with purge of the HS) to a wiz and gg. we can also get 1 shot'd whoever i think is pretty easy for an archer to tab and kill or just focus on arcanes not picking random LAs (sins and other archers) than a wiz cuz well we have the range. i know LA sux but still archers as a whole do great besides with the 5 aps thingy hell u dont even need 5 aps clawchers are better than wizzies in pve.

wizzies have their job archers have their job too. i would say both classes are balanced in both pvp and tw. pve archers are just better.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Putica - Raging Tide wrote: »

pve archers are just better.

I would say outside of FC, RB and zhen, Archers are much better pve than wizzies. Those instances, I still prefer a wiz.

TT? I'm allergic to TT b:bye

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

1 vs 1 against a wizard? Nope, not true.

In group pk, maybe.

In TW? I agree wiz is better, but archers rock in TW and hardly suck. The worst classes in TW? Cata barbs and cata support BMs --- YAWN!!! Everyone needs 'em, but god I wouldn't want to play them.

90% of end game archers have aps, better range that wiz, better stuns than wiz (we have no stuns, only 1 seal and 1 sleep), better crit, just about equal kiting skills, they have choice of physical and magic attacks, etc. etc. etc.

Lol barb and Bms suck at pulling catas, its a heavy armor psy with full jade gems that pulls


Archers only have 2 meters more then lvl11 wiz skills.
I saw a mere level 90 wiz who bought a +9 tt90 glaive for only 20mil, that killed a 15k hp barb before his Force of Will was off. Having no channeling for 6 seconds really is death. Seal -> undine -> sutra -> divine pyrogram -> Mountain Seize -> Distance Shrink -> etc. His maxed mountain hits 4.2k on me with 5.2k magic defb:cry

volst

Are there even any psy with their 100 culti done? They can nuke pretty hard with those skills.

Since this is a pvp forum, I say wiz are better overall. Distance Shrink is annoying.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

I can still survive magic nukes even when they kite like a wizard. But I don't like spamming 1200 stamina every 20 seconds.

Psy with demon landslide is A-MA-ZING.

Lu$t - Sanctuary

volst wrote: »

Are there even any psy with their 100 culti done? They can nuke pretty hard with those skills.

Since this is a pvp forum, I say wiz are better overall. Distance Shrink is annoying.

D_Fish has that lvl 100 skill (forgot name xD) and he hits...so....effin...hard...
To the post:
Tw: Probably *almost* equal but wizzies usually get the edge.
1v1 pk: Ehhh really depends. For me personally, I always kite fow because you never know when that 5% crit on that wizzy will kick in with sandstorm =( Usually if it's a decent-well geared (+10 lunar ~+6ish give or take armor) and *can* come out on top but with a lot of kiting and hoping for qs proc and crits. It's just like high pdef clerics, kite kite kite ~51% sta stun qs and pray xD at least for me :x
pve: who cares? <

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

volst wrote: »

I say wiz are better overall. Distance Shrink is annoying.

“Most annoying” pvp class? I guess I might be able to give that to a wiz. I can just about kite anyone (even groups) for forever if I want to. They won’t be able to kill me, but I won’t kill them either. Very boring. But most annoying? I can see that . . . .

Lu$t - Sanctuary wrote: »

I always kite fow because you never know when that 5% crit on that wizzy will kick in with sandstorm

End game wiz with 5% crit? That’s soooooo cute.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

I saw a mere level 90 wiz who bought a +9 tt90 glaive for only 20mil, that killed a 15k hp barb before his Force of Will was off. Having no channeling for 6 seconds really is death. Seal -> undine -> sutra -> divine pyrogram -> Mountain Seize -> Distance Shrink -> etc. His maxed mountain hits 4.2k on me with 5.2k magic defb:cry

Yet again complete BS spilled by non-wizards who "see" things but in reality it's just **** without real facts.

Force of Will lasts 5 seconds, 2 of which you can't do **** because of cast time. So that's 3 seconds that you can do something to him while he's sealed. Undine has some channeling (let's say it doesn't to even more play your ridiculousness!) and 1 sec cast, so that's 2 freaking seconds you have to kill him "before his Force of Will was off". You heard that right, how much can a wiz do in 2 seconds?

2 sec? Maybe one single sutra'd spell. Though because of the lag from using an instant skill like sutra, I'd say he will wake off the seal before the damage (but after instant-channeling the spell, like divine pyro).

That wiz must've hit that barb with divine pyro real hard to 1-shot him for more than 15k, since 1-shot is the only possible explanation given the constraints on the seal, or the barb's resistances were 0 or something (though I still doubt it's possible even with that). Either that or non-wiz again speak BS.

And people wonder why I don't trust people from their "experiences".

And to whoever said that they don't get killed by psychics often: I don't see the point. Are you saying they are less popular on the older servers? I mean, maybe half of the wizards you see are old-time characters before TB? Isn't that more normal that good endgame psychics are far less popular? Come to RT for a change. There's psychics with lvl100 skills here. b:bye

JamesJutsu - Dreamweaver

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