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  • Posts: 2,211 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    There were a lot of people in that event and I ,for one, found it hard to kill mobs alone without having someone attack it as well or vice versa.

    I don't think that if you guys were really KS'ing, you wouldn't be the only ones, anyways. Although sometimes, it happens unintentionally.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    There were a lot of people in that event and I ,for one, found it hard to kill mobs alone without having someone attack it as well or vice versa.

    I don't think that if you guys were really KS'ing, you wouldn't be the only ones, anyways. Although sometimes, it happens unintentionally.

    You are absolutely right, it can happen unintentionally - probably even inevitably. The point is, if it's happening everywhere around you, move somewhere else. We were established there, like I said, for an hour and 20 minutes. For someone to come within range of us and our zen and then to accuse us of kill stealing is just ridiculous and immature and to start slinging insults only makes people look more ignorant in my eyes. There was an area near us, just a ways up the hill, FULL of mobs. I don't know if it shows well on the screenshot minimaps, but there wasn't a green dot in sight up that way. The reasons we didn't move or even really try to draw those mobs were because A.) We'd been in the same spot for so long and it was working out nicely for us, and B.) We were basically bombarded with enemies spawning and running directly at us.

    By choosing that area, why are we the bad guys JUST because it says "Calamity" over our heads? We were a PARTY, we were SHARING with each other, having fun together. I saw plenty of lone people running through our zen trying to pick up our drops - yet we're the ones with no honor? **** that.
  • Posts: 1,338 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    after Tw's i jsut went grind DQ for 3 hours.
    start solo hit em. take forever and aggro everything around. that sucked.
    some sweet cleric then kept healing me before charm tick, she was killing around me. then squaded later.
    then was just holy path between the phys mobs and aoe, evntually some noobs was annoyed cos they aggroed to me as they ran to them, or an aoe hit some mob near, which some other person was hitting.

    was doing that for 3 hours, people came and left. the ppl coming actually also get annoyed, even tho i was there first and they clearly could see my pattern of holy pathing, then aoe, for the whole 3 hours XD.
    most ppl get along fine and no probs. then sometimes random **** comes complain.

    cant care less. noobs be noobs forever.
    I'm sorry for misspelling / mistyping and grammar b:surrender

    102 - Archer - Heartz
  • Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Willow, you will always have your critics. Escalating issues that do not concern the majority of the server will only serve to tarnish your own reputation.


    Grow up, Dreamweaver, get over yourselves. Just because people have the Calamity tag over their head does NOT mean we're horrible, awful people. Just because we are strong in TW doesn't mean we're a bunch of dominating a-holes who run around trying to make life miserable for everyone else - no, it's YOU people who seem to be doing this to us, who want to take some fun out of our game, who would deny us our right to take part in an event. Instead of whining all day, why don't you just go WORK FOR IT like the we did, rise above your own self, because right now a lot of you look like a bunch of noob babies who'll never get anywhere because you'd rather spend your time standing around whining than actually doing something to better yourself.

    If you do not want to be generalized, do not generalize others.
    Blacklist all those that may possibly annoy you and or grow some thicker skin. It helps alot =)
  • Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Willow there will always be people out there that act like that. They believe this game should be handed to them on a silver platter and that the deserve every last thing they want. Just ignore them, I did. If you're there first then it's your spot and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
  • Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    haters gonna hate. as Zan's new sig says ;)

    some folks just love to moan because they forget these types of event are basically a free for all - just like wraith attacks or legion events - if you get hundreds of people in a small area accidental KSing is inevitable.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Willow, you will always have your critics. Escalating issues that do not concern the majority of the server will only serve to tarnish your own reputation.





    If you do not want to be generalized, do not generalize others.
    Blacklist all those that may possibly annoy you and or grow some thicker skin. It helps alot =)

    b:cutehai sera
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Pift Willow, that be nothing. (He called me a duck. b:sad)
    b:surrender

    Also Frankie's bug report has been approved.
    >:
    hemoglobin: idk how the hell you can turn the word burrito into something sexual. perversion at its finest
    b:shocked
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary
    A clone of MagicHamsta... wow. He's original but you're not.

    Me are hibernating. *poof*
  • Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Willow, you will always have your critics. Escalating issues that do not concern the majority of the server will only serve to tarnish your own reputation.





    If you do not want to be generalized, do not generalize others.
    Blacklist all those that may possibly annoy you and or grow some thicker skin. It helps alot =)

    OMG IT'S SERA b:kiss

    I wasn't so much generalizing anyone... The fact is, this kind of thing happens to Calamity members very often, it isn't just me. So while the problem may not concern the majority of the server, it concerns quite a good portion of it nonetheless.

    It's to the point of bordering on racism and I'm offended by it and would imagine I can't be the only one who is. It would be no different of me to say that, because of these few rude people I encountered THIS time, every other member of their factions must be just as rude as they are. They are lumping me in with some preconceived, misconceived notion of who or what I am because of the color of my faction.

    And yeah, it makes me feel crunchy when people don't like me for no good reason because most people who know me seem to like me just fine, I'm a good person, and I never intentionally do anything to bring harm in any way to another person. Being called names offends me. And... okaaaay, I DO need to grow a thicker skin, I guess. But why is it too much to ask for a little more kindness out of others? Why is it me and people like me who have to learn to put up with this ****? Why is it always the good guy who finishes last?
  • Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    hahaha nice
    and i thought im the only person who gets hate messages in wraith attacks and i did it yesterday for way to short time to even get any hate msg XD
    and KSing in wraith attack is why i like it. i get KSed daily on quest mobs and never get "sorry" from them. so i rly enjoy KSing part in all wraith attacks
    i didn't see any zhen parties at south side tho..dunno why people cry when they can go to other place
    i guess u can report them if u werent rude back to them..(lazy to check ur screenies)
  • Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    OMG IT'S SERA b:kiss

    I wasn't so much generalizing anyone... The fact is, this kind of thing happens to Calamity members very often, it isn't just me. So while the problem may not concern the majority of the server, it concerns quite a good portion of it nonetheless.

    It's to the point of bordering on racism and I'm offended by it and would imagine I can't be the only one who is. It would be no different of me to say that, because of these few rude people I encountered THIS time, every other member of their factions must be just as rude as they are. They are lumping me in with some preconceived, misconceived notion of who or what I am because of the color of my faction.

    And yeah, it makes me feel crunchy when people don't like me for no good reason because most people who know me seem to like me just fine, I'm a good person, and I never intentionally do anything to bring harm in any way to another person. Being called names offends me. And... okaaaay, I DO need to grow a thicker skin, I guess. But why is it too much to ask for a little more kindness out of others? Why is it me and people like me who have to learn to put up with this ****? Why is it always the good guy who finishes last?

    Because the game has become flooded with immature brats and the good guy doesn't have super mega awesome rocket packs, thus causing him to finish last. b:sad
  • Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    OMG IT'S SERA b:kiss

    I wasn't so much generalizing anyone... The fact is, this kind of thing happens to Calamity members very often, it isn't just me. So while the problem may not concern the majority of the server, it concerns quite a good portion of it nonetheless.

    It's to the point of bordering on racism and I'm offended by it and would imagine I can't be the only one who is. It would be no different of me to say that, because of these few rude people I encountered THIS time, every other member of their factions must be just as rude as they are. They are lumping me in with some preconceived, misconceived notion of who or what I am because of the color of my faction.

    And yeah, it makes me feel crunchy when people don't like me for no good reason because most people who know me seem to like me just fine, I'm a good person, and I never intentionally do anything to bring harm in any way to another person. Being called names offends me. And... okaaaay, I DO need to grow a thicker skin, I guess. But why is it too much to ask for a little more kindness out of others? Why is it me and people like me who have to learn to put up with this ****? Why is it always the good guy who finishes last?

    Being part of a strong faction will always draw critics. Those who do not like Calamity will automatically lump members with the tag, and as a member it is inevitable that you will meet your share of players who dislike you. Could that a problem? Sure. But if you did nothing wrong, you do not need to defend yourself. The high road is always the one that draws the most respect.

    It is easy to remember the negativity and even easier to forget the positive. Think about how many players you have squadded with for BH, or TT and left a good impression on. Consider all the players that you have impacted through boss day. Have you forgotten those and only chose to remember the sour?

    Ranting on forums won't accomplish anything in the long run. Fight ignorance with friendship, and misconceptions with kindness. And as Fenian once told me "The only person worth your time is the one that asks before they judge."
  • Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Being part of a strong faction will always draw critics. Those who do not like Calamity will automatically lump members with the tag, and as a member it is inevitable that you will meet your share of players who dislike you. Could that a problem? Sure. But if you did nothing wrong, you do not need to defend yourself. The high road is always the one that draws the most respect.

    It is easy to remember the negativity and even easier to forget the positive. Think about how many players you have squadded with for BH, or TT and left a good impression on. Consider all the players that you have impacted through boss day. Have you forgotten those and only chose to remember the sour?

    Ranting on forums won't accomplish anything in the long run. Fight ignorance with friendship, and misconceptions with kindness. And as Fenian once told me "The only person worth your time is the one that asks before they judge."

    Damn you, Sera, why do you always have to be so right?? b:surrender

    It's always a pleasure and an honor for me, not only as a member of Calamity, but as who I am, to help others. You're right, of course, I shouldn't let it get to me, but sometimes... grrrrrr....

    Always good to see you, Sera b:cute
  • Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Seraphim, speaks the word of the one holy father son spirit of truth. I could not have put it any better. b:shocked
  • Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Damn you, Sera, why do you always have to be so right?? b:surrender

    It's always a pleasure and an honor for me, not only as a member of Calamity, but as who I am, to help others. You're right, of course, I shouldn't let it get to me, but sometimes... grrrrrr....

    Always good to see you, Sera b:cute

    <3. You should probably remove your post now =P
  • Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Sera is always right, unless he's playing Badminton, He's got 3 torn tendons that agree with me!
    [sigpic][/sigpic]
    We came, we saw, we painted it red.
    10/10/10 Calamity
  • Posts: 511 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Just gotta say, your guild chat made me laugh very hard =D
    "maybe he likes pain."
    "nah he only likes biting/clawing pain"
    now thats a family if you can share that with <3 With fun times like that, who cares if some immature prat makes silly claims against you?
  • Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Willow, you will always have your critics. Escalating issues that do not concern the majority of the server will only serve to tarnish your own reputation.

    If you do not want to be generalized, do not generalize others.
    Blacklist all those that may possibly annoy you and or grow some thicker skin. It helps alot =)

    ^ b:victory

    +1
    Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
    Current math challenge: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1029711&page=45
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    "Any skills that can be used to kill you will interrupt BB when successful." -truekossy | "...Sage archers are kind of like Mac owners. They are proud of the weirdest and most unnecessary things." -Aesthor | "We ALL know Jesus doesn't play PWI. He may have suffered a lot for humanity, but he'd NEVER punish himself this way." -Abstractive | "I approve of bananas." -SashaGray
  • Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Just gotta say, your guild chat made me laugh very hard =D
    "maybe he likes pain."
    "nah he only likes biting/clawing pain"
    now thats a family if you can share that with <3 With fun times like that, who cares if some immature prat makes silly claims against you?

    LMAO! Okay, okay, you're all right, I'm done being disgruntled now, but boy do I hate erasing posts... having them locked I'm okay with, but deleting??

    Oh Sera, how I wish you were still around and could have seen my application to Calamity - I out-forumed ANDRES! I think I had some mad thing like 5000 words or something ridiculous like that. I used to write on a diary site and I'm sure there's plenty I should have deleted after the fact, a few angry rants and whatnot, but could never bring myself to do it - wish there was a "private" option on PWI forums, I'd just hide the thing...

    Okay, okay... you win, in all your wisdom, Mr. Sera... Hey... maybe you could... idk... shock the hell out of us all and... log PWI... one of these days <3 I miss you and your always-wise words and I know I'm not alone :)
  • Posts: 2,106 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I am not trying to outdo/undo what sera said in his posts, he spoke the truth, and was quite philosophical about it, though I am sure someone somewhere disagrees with what he said, I do not, and obviously neither do most of you.

    As for the original question, I guess there isn't much more to say to you, since you already have had it answered, and a beautiful answer for it as well.

    I think it's quite understandable that you would like to see the kind of respect, kindness, and calm play from everyone, like just about every calamity member I run into shows to me, and every other member of my squad; however, I am sure some disagree with that, it really just depends on each person's dealings with said group of people. Sadly some people no matter how much their logic fails, will group a whole faction, (edit: I am not saying that they are wrong to do so, but certainly also not saying they are right either) with the people who ruin, or tarnish the image of the whole faction, some will feel justified with their anger, whereas others will just glare at you all due to the very power that you all hold, perhaps it is indeed jealously, a bad attribute to have, but we all do tend to have it, and sometimes it even leads to a better tomorrow for some.

    It is quite a reasonable request to be made; however, no matter how well worded your comment, or how many reasonable, agreeable comments it breeds there will always be a big hurdle to jump over to achieve something like this, and that is people. Some people just like to be asses, and nothing will change them, at least not within the time of them being asses, just let karma catch up to them, and bite them in the rear every once in a while.

    ...

    As for the nice guy finishing last, that is all too true, it is sad though.

    Sadly the nice guy is always the first to give 'in' and relent to the logic of the jerks, *******s, and pricks in this world, just to avoid confrontation, and the annoyance that goes hand in hand with dealing with those kinds of people. Sometimes the best way to deal with those kind of people is to just ignore, I know it's not the only way, and that there is perhaps a better way to deal with it, but for now the 'nice guy' routine sounds like the way to go, as I said earlier, it is really up to whoever it is affecting to deal with it in his or her own way. I am not saying stoop down to their level, but meh if that is how you are going to handle it, then handle it like that, but expect repercussions for not only you, but perhaps your guild as well. =x

    ...............


    *runs in circles* E gasp long post ftl/ftw. b:avoid
    Ah, Mistakes are so easily made. ~ laura resnick

    What kind of message are you sending when you insult my intelligence? ~ Me ~ 5/29/2015 (Yes it is possible someone said this before just no idea who/where.)
  • Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Haters will always gonna hate. Believe me, I have got people whispering me things like "You are from Dynasty? You are equinox dogs" or "noob cashshopper"... I got called a scammer also, I got refused in a delta twice cause I was member from Dynasty...

    That last one however I am proud to admit I may have been able to change the person mind... The person in question didn't wanted any dynasty in the same squad as him, I have been able to force my way in the same squad just to help in a bh delta wave 3... mind you I am not even 100 soo I couldn't get bh's done, I just joined the squad to proof that I could be nice guy and skilled. Anyway we did the bh, no problem at all, most of us were even in ventrillo talking and I even got a "good job" from the person in question. Lately I know that he is letting other dynasty members on the same squad as long as they are skilled.

    My point, after this rant, is simple: They hate you? Proof them wrong. They think you are a noob cashshopper? Play with them and proof them wrong. They think you are a kser without education? Proof them wrong. b:victory
  • Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Haters will always gonna hate. Believe me, I have got people whispering me things like "You are from Dynasty? You are equinox dogs" or "noob cashshopper"... I got called a scammer also, I got refused in a delta twice cause I was member from Dynasty...

    That last one however I am proud to admit I may have been able to change the person mind... The person in question didn't wanted any dynasty in the same squad as him, I have been able to force my way in the same squad just to help in a bh delta wave 3... mind you I am not even 100 soo I couldn't get bh's done, I just joined the squad to proof that I could be nice guy and skilled. Anyway we did the bh, no problem at all, most of us were even in ventrillo talking and I even got a "good job" from the person in question. Lately I know that he is letting other dynasty members on the same squad as long as they are skilled.

    My point, after this rant, is simple: They hate you? Proof them wrong. They think you are a noob cashshopper? Play with them and proof them wrong. They think you are a kser without education? Proof them wrong. b:victory

    I just don't have it in me, I guess, to refuse a person just because of their faction. My mother raised me better than that. To me that is no different than refusing to sit next to someone on a bus because of the color of their skin. It's ignorance at it's best. I guess that's what really offended me so much about the whole thing, the feeling of discrimination that I got from it.

    I've had people say to me, after helping them with something or another, "Wow, everyone in Cala isn't a jerk after all." I don't much know whether to laugh or cry at these kinds of statements. It's just a game, you know? Outside of TW, all I care about is playing, doing BHs, FCs, Nirvana, whatever - and I never care much who with as long as no one is being mean or stupid (meaning causing many party wipes or something, unintelligent at playing their class) b:chuckle I'm sorry if, at any time, someone in Cala was a jerk to you. I am not that person and I am not responsible for that person's actions. Please, just think of this, people, before you start spewing rude **** all over common chat.

    I feel sick reading that, the things that people have said to you, the names you've been called... That's just... Wow, I'm sorry, that's really just awful. What is it about the internet that makes all manners, all decorum, all sense of right and wrong, fly right out the window?

    Nowhere in the ToS for PWI did I read "Please, check your morals, your honor, at the door, they won't be required here." Boy, people will really say anything to you when they don't have to look you in the eye, won't they?

    Okay, now I feel really old... I'm turning into my mother... "Do unto others..."

    Good day, Dreamweaver, and Abocanhadora and any of the rest of you, feel free to pm me in-game any old time. I'm always open to having a good time with decent people who don't want to judge me before they know me :)
  • Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I'm not going to say that I disagree with what Sera has said, but I would like to point out the other aspect of karma. I'm not trying to in anyway approve of discriminating against other factions either, but I would like to point out the other aspect of karma, as I said once already.

    Is it right to generalize a faction and paint it with 1 colour? In my opinion... if that's your experience with them, then absolutely it is. However, is it then ok to use that paint on an individual of that faction? Absolutely not.

    Most people do not care to distinct the faction as a whole from individual members of a faction and thus say that it's wrong to generalize a faction. However, this only works half way. Human nature is that to categorize people in classes and lockers, it's how our social part of our brain is made, it comes natural to us to put labels on groups of people.

    Here's an example... I've tried to dig up as much as I possibly can from the founding members about how Bushido came to be and I keep hearing that it was mainly because of the immoral actions of Immortal. The whole faction was labeled as "no good" and its members saw that this reputation was beyond repair. At this point it didn't matter if it was true, or not, they had their label and people saw it was too broken to be fixed.

    Likewise there are multiple factions in TW that has foul mouthed other factions with trash talk and in turn I have labeled these factions as "rude bullies" that I don't really want to associate myself with. However, on multiple cases I've squaded with those people and gotten along with them just fine, no problem. The thing is, they are individuals that do not fit in the "rude bully" category that the faction is in.

    Actually, there doesn't need to be a single "rude bully" individual in the faction for the faction as a whole to be one.

    What I am more concerned about is when people use the same paint they paint factions with on individual members of a faction. I see factions to be more like houses, you might live in one, but you're not an integral part of it, but rather completely detached and free to move about and the only characteristic you can give a person that is in a specific house is that they fit through the door of that house, regardless of the colour of the house itself.

    I have my own opinions and labels for Calamity, Dynasty, EQ and others, but those are inanimate objects that cannot be applied on the people inside them. Or when was the last time you washed all of your clothes with paint thinner, or had to apply a new coat of paint over your skin? You don't use paint on people, you use shampoo, soap and hydration lotions and if you're really attached, some lubrication won't hurt.
  • Posts: 271 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Willow there will always be people out there that act like that. They believe this game should be handed to them on a silver platter and that the deserve every last thing they want. Just ignore them, I did. If you're there first then it's your spot and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

    WillowGirl don't worry about other players then your guildmates. F them. And Zan you are back I see.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    A small tribute to elven mathematician from a human physicist. b:pleased

    Yorkin - The Retired Wizard
  • Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    And Zan you are back I see.

    Unfortunately b:sweat
    Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
    Current math challenge: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1029711&page=45
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    "Any skills that can be used to kill you will interrupt BB when successful." -truekossy | "...Sage archers are kind of like Mac owners. They are proud of the weirdest and most unnecessary things." -Aesthor | "We ALL know Jesus doesn't play PWI. He may have suffered a lot for humanity, but he'd NEVER punish himself this way." -Abstractive | "I approve of bananas." -SashaGray
  • Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    my motto for some time now is what ice cube said "do ya thang man fu ck what they looking at" if i keep caring what everyone says i am not gonna do anything
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Calamity RIP 6/11/2010 same day as my birthday tyvm whoever destroyed it for lovely birthday present ;) almost 3 years u will be forever missed

    what will happen now
  • Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    WillowGirl don't worry about other players then your guildmates. F them. And Zan you are back I see.

    Yep, guess I wasn't bad enough for a perma forum ban :P
    Unfortunately b:sweat

    Oh shut it, you know you can't live without me :P
  • Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yep, guess I wasn't bad enough for a perma forum ban :P



    Oh shut it, you know you can't live without me :P

    Damnit zan, go away!

    I cannot fap with you hovering around like that. b:shutup
    Some people risk to employ me

    Some people live to destroy me

    Either way they die
  • Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Damnit zan, go away!

    I cannot fap with you hovering around like that. b:shutup


    Oh sure you can, if I can fap while I'm around then so can you! Wait.. what? o.o
  • Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Oh sure you can, if I can fap while I'm around then so can you! Wait.. what? o.o

    b:dirtyforsaken world tomorrow and im in :3
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze

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