Endgame PvP

AlbireoTwo - Lost City
AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
edited October 2010 in Arigora Colosseum
I recently hit level 85, and I've started to think about my endgame gears. I was planning on just being a tanking barb with high hp, but then my friend suggested becoming a 5 aps barb. I've done some research into them, and apparently being a 5 aps barb is a bad idea, because of a lack of skills. Apparently, BM's have an advantage because of their stuns, even though a barb would have a lot more hp. What I'm really wondering is, if I want to be good in PvP, should I continue on my original idea of a high hp barb, become a 5 aps barb, or reroll a bm??
I've played both classes, but leveling them both to 100 and trying them both is out of the question, so I can't exactly pick the one I enjoy playing the most. I doubt I would hate playing either of the three options, and I understand that there's no clear cut best class. I just want your personal opinion on what option is the best for PvP.
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  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    The only thing barbs are good for nowadays is there buffs. I'd reroll a bm if i was you.
  • Moog - Lost City
    Moog - Lost City Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Not really, a demon barb with beastial onslaught is pretty deadly. Zerk crits hurt bigtime.... especially with nirvana axes with zerk.

    If I was you I'd probably just stay axe build (regular barb build) and get nirvana axes with zerk on them, I'm assuming you have the funds to do so, since you are saying 5 aps is possible for you.
  • xhumanx
    xhumanx Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    A demon barb is good for PvP because the never miss, +35% crit rate and Demon arma hurts like butt. But even with arma you can't beat a demon bm with aps and demon bell/marrows. Don't worry, you still can skill archers and other squishys. :)
  • Moog - Lost City
    Moog - Lost City Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lol, I've seen plus 10 nirv axe barbs kill lvl 100 blademasters with pys marrow and demon bel on. It seems you are really underestimating their power.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    depends where you want to cap your gear

    if your going to stop refines and weapon at +5-7 and g 13 the bm is for you

    however if your going for endgame +12 and g 15 GoF axes...a full vit barb is pretty damn sexy

    the drawback to a bm is the amount of crappy g 12 gear we have to use for attack speed unlike barbs/psys who can just go all out for DPH and def
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    depends where you want to cap your gear

    if your going to stop refines and weapon at +5-7 and g 13 the bm is for you

    however if your going for endgame +12 and g 15 GoF axes...a full vit barb is pretty damn sexy

    the drawback to a bm is the amount of crappy g 12 gear we have to use for attack speed unlike barbs/psys who can just go all out for DPH and def
    I can basically afford something like this on my barb-
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0a34e324b27f9ace

    I'm pretty bad at making builds, so I need to do some research, but that's basically a quick build. Because g13 claws cost about 250 mil less than g15 axes I can go with something like this on a bm-
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=45654695f0aec839

    Anyways, 800 mil-1 bil is my budget. I can probably farm any other gear I need.
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    Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I was gonna vote, but you didn't put an option for a 5aps fist HA cleric.b:cry
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    I can basically afford something like this on my barb-
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0a34e324b27f9ace

    I'm pretty bad at making builds, so I need to do some research, but that's basically a quick build. Because g13 claws cost about 250 mil less than g15 axes I can go with something like this on a bm-
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=45654695f0aec839

    Anyways, 800 mil-1 bil is my budget. I can probably farm any other gear I need.

    you could always make a claw barb and bm and just swap gear till you have the coin to get your barb sexy'ed up
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Magiere - Dreamweaver
    Magiere - Dreamweaver Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I'd say it heavily depends on what you wanna do most of the time when you log on PW.

    If you wanna **** around pking people and dont care for instances and farming much = High HP barb with your Nirvana axes is the way to go.

    But if you like tanking instances, helping friends, being able to run instances alone or duo when you are bored..I'd definetely make a 5 aps BM.

    A 5 aps Barb would be a mix of both (i would not suggest getting nirvana claws though)
    Switch your Nirvana claws for ordinary Deicide claws
    ->can farm instances and tank this way
    (cheap and they have g15 refine, so damage difference isnt that big) this way you might be able to afford both.
    -->and can always switch to axes for pvp
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    For PvP?

    Pure STR build G15 Nirvana axes. That is such a brutal build it's not even silly. Demon barb ftw.
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  • KennyC - Lost City
    KennyC - Lost City Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    For PvP?

    Pure STR build G15 Nirvana axes. That is such a brutal build it's not even silly. Demon barb ftw.

    Really o.0? Could you elaborate on this please, like how much do they normally hit you forb:shocked? I believe i read a post where a demon barb sharded with all atk level shards and goes around critting for 7k. Is this true?
    +1 post
  • UpTempo - Raging Tide
    UpTempo - Raging Tide Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Tank build barb with +11 Unicorn axes hit my 86 barb for I think 11k damage with onslaught, was a pretty epic 1 shot.
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    800m-1000m and you sharded G7? b:shocked
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    +12 g15 god frenzy + 5aps with decides. Demon barb is win.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Putica - Raging Tide
    Putica - Raging Tide Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    im looking for the "you should uninstall" option :/
  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    If you have over $5000 USD to spend on this game go the HP route.



    If you dont have $5000 USD, get a 5 aps barb.



    Otherwise you'll find farming your end-game PvP gear challenging.



    Only 5 APS barbs can really tank anything nowdays with all the 5 APS BM's, Veno's, and archers going around.



    I suppose you could merchant, but good luck with that. It'll take you awhile since items move very slowly these days due to the lack of TW's (on lost city)
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    5aps is impractical in pvp. The spark itself takes too long to use, so usually people just stick to 3.33aps.

    Now 3.33aps is still damn sexy in PvP, but imo barbs dnt have good enough dph to use claws effectivley in PvP (unless ofc they are +12 claws, but with that much refining a bowbarian could own in PvP b:surrender).

    High hp barb with axes= ownage.

    If you're charmed, you'll basically be impossible to kill 1v1, unless ofc a wiz manages to wtfpwn you with a BIDS crit while you're purged and amp'd (not likely outside of TWs).
    Fights will basically be you spamming skills and getting charm ***** for about 10min, until you get a lucky chain of crits that kills your opponent

    Oh, and you'll be immune to stealth ganks b:victory
  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    I can basically afford something like this on my barb-
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0a34e324b27f9ace

    I'm pretty bad at making builds, so I need to do some research, but that's basically a quick build. Because g13 claws cost about 250 mil less than g15 axes I can go with something like this on a bm-
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=45654695f0aec839

    Anyways, 800 mil-1 bil is my budget. I can probably farm any other gear I need.

    if youre looking at an interval axe build, might i suggest the following:
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e26129fa5269ed45

    similar gears to what you have posted with the following changes:
    1. rather than 2x Lunar rings, go with the much less expensive 2x Seal of eternal solitude (save LOTS of money) and refine these for better magical defenses (not all your oponents will be physical ;) ).
    2. Rather than Nirvana Leggings, stick with the 99 gold leggings and get your interval from a Pan Gu Creator tome
    3. Rather than Warsong belt, go with 99 gold belt to get the 4 piece complect bonus (+15 vit) - you gain more HP from this than with warsong belts vit/hp bonus
    4. Rather than the weapon you've listed, go with an Ashura of Purgatory for faster attack rate - cost is about 50 mil (buy a soul relic for the soul edges + 10 best luck tokens for the gold material)
    5. I capped the dex higher for a higher natural crit rate, so some HP is sacrificed - play with the numbers to your liking. A bit of pdef is sacrificed in the interest of buffing up the magical defenses.
    6. Rather than HP shards in the build, ive used full diamond of tiger shards to get the attack level up to ~27 (jumps to 57 with jones blessing, and 42 with our current anniversary blessing, and 35 with stamp of thunder blessing)

    With this setup, all your attacks are going to hit harder than on the build you created, and armageddon will pack a MUCH more powerful punch, despite the humanoid HP being a bit lower. Also note that somehow.. at least for me.. when I apply buffs and go into demon true form, the pdef increases above that of the build you made, while the mdef is slightly lower. Seems strange, but meh.
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    5aps is impractical in pvp. The spark itself takes too long to use, so usually people just stick to 3.33aps.

    Ever heard of sage 5APS? That means 5APS without the 25% increase that demon spark gives.
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Ever heard of sage 5APS? That means 5APS without the 25% increase that demon spark gives.

    you're right I forgot about that b:surrender

    So yah I s'pose 5aps barb is still a good option, but I still believe hp barb is better.

    Hp barb can use their stuns, and arma is always a nice finisher.

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