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Aisubeki - Sanctuary
Aisubeki - Sanctuary Posts: 313 Arc User
edited October 2010 in Archer
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=74046c79a3315dd1 claws
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4ba9e9cb895f010e bow

perma sparker, and has decent bow for ranged tanking. how is she for an endgamer, besides refines.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Your not ganna perma spark with 2,86 aps
    I think it needs atleast 3,33
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  • Aisubeki - Sanctuary
    Aisubeki - Sanctuary Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    2.86 with spark rounds up to 4.0 on the atack scale, enough for perma sparking.
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    2.86 with spark rounds up to 4.0 on the atack scale, enough for perma sparking.

    If you have a 4.0 attack rate, you generate 20 chi per second. Your triple spark lasts for 15 seconds, but 3 of those seconds you are invulnerable and unable to attack. So that leaves 12 seconds to build chi before your triple spark ends.

    And: 12 seconds * 20 chi/second = 240 chi.
  • Aisubeki - Sanctuary
    Aisubeki - Sanctuary Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    If you have a 4.0 attack rate, you generate 20 chi per second. Your triple spark lasts for 15 seconds, but 3 of those seconds you are invulnerable and unable to attack. So that leaves 12 seconds to build chi before your triple spark ends.

    And: 12 seconds * 20 chi/second = 240 chi.
    increase attack speed by 25%
    for 15 seconds. Grants invincibility for 3 seconds after the discharge.
    15 x 20 = 300, which is enough. its been common knowledge 4.0 is enough for perma sparking forever and a year. why bother arguing this?
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Urgh, just my opinion but 25/27 crit seems fairly low to me... Even my barb has more o.o


    Also low hp, if you go do nirvanas with no other high ints, you'll end up tanking & it's gona hurt...

    Furthermore, planning to 2nd stage that bow? Otherwise that wouldn't have been my 1st choice for a weap.

    To add, I'd go with Helm of pirate if you on a small budget.
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  • Aisubeki - Sanctuary
    Aisubeki - Sanctuary Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    i do, i still need a few more crystals before i can.
    HP i figured i can work on after, not like i do a majority of tanking anyways.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    LOL... nice. 220 mil weap with twin 500k rings. Over all... its a sub par build.
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  • Aisubeki - Sanctuary
    Aisubeki - Sanctuary Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    LOL... nice. 220 mil weap with twin 500k rings. Over all... its a sub par build.
    the weapon was a gift for getting 100 lol, not like i asked to have it. what did you expect, a +7 (or higher) everything and loaded with pack gear?
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I dont think any on sanc has the TT bow yet.. most go lunar -> Regenesis.

    Anyone I wouldnt call this endgame yet but its getting there.
    Next you should work on getting another piece of interval gear. Probably nirv pants or tt99 ornaments.

    The rings I would swap out with lvl 90 attendance ring, heaven's jail, or lunar rings.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    If you have a 4.0 attack rate, you generate 20 chi per second. Your triple spark lasts for 15 seconds, but 3 of those seconds you are invulnerable and unable to attack. So that leaves 12 seconds to build chi before your triple spark ends.

    And: 12 seconds * 20 chi/second = 240 chi.

    a lvl 101 archer that does not know how long spark lasts

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  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=74046c79a3315dd1 claws
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4ba9e9cb895f010e bow

    perma sparker, and has decent bow for ranged tanking. how is she for an endgamer, besides refines.


    I made a few changes to the items that might be better for your 4.0 claw build with the thought in mind that you are on a very tight budget.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2e25144f5cbff7ba

    Assuming that you're not planning on getting 5.0 aps with the TT99 HA ornaments, it would be better if you choose the Guard of Thundershock as your gold belt to give you more physical defense, and the Helmet of Pirate. Replace your Heavenly Lord rings with the free Attendance Ring to give you a bit of hp and a def lvl of 1, and Band from Heaven's Jail which will refine for more physical defense and give additional physical attack.

    Even if you are not planning on tanking any of the bosses in Nirvana, if there is no other 4.0+ aps in the squad you will end up tanking most of the time. A barb will not be able to hold aggro from you 100%. You want to have as much hp and phys defense as possible.

    I see that you gave no consideration in refining anything to +5 or even 6+. With some luck, you can easily and cheaply refine anything to +5 with just mirages and Tienkang Stones. Also, the Rank IV chest armor that you have on can be cheaply 4th socketed if you don't want to waste coins trying to get one with 4 sockets.

    +1, +2: use only mirages
    +3, +4, +5: use Tienkang Stone
    +6: use Tisha Stone (be prepared to see that +5 turn to +4 if you fail :P)

    Some people like to try and refine to +3 with just mirages. You can try that too if you like seeing your mirages go to waste constantly.

    Sorry, I really don't have any comments that will help improve on your bow build. I just think that if you can afford a nirvana weapon cast 1, why not improve on your other gears to increase your survivability so you can do more and preform better with your char build? It is only a fraction of the cost of the nirvana weapon to get a 5.0 char so you can farm your gear faster (by having a better chance to get into better and faster squads). Also, if you are not considering of having that bow being 2nd cast in the future, it's best to go with the Lunar version.

    The Christmas tome giving only 1% crit isn't really the best of choice. You get a lot more with demon skills if you have or just switch to using 2 Attendance rings. With Tome Fragments going for 25k (or less) each and tokens 10k, you can get a level 1 tome for 875k ish. You can swap in a dex tome when you use your bow for more damage, and a str tome when you use fists/claws.

    GL
  • Aisubeki - Sanctuary
    Aisubeki - Sanctuary Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    The Christmas tome giving only 1% crit isn't really the best of choice. You get a lot more with demon skills if you have or just switch to using 2 Attendance rings. With Tome Fragments going for 25k (or less) each and tokens 10k, you can get a level 1 tome for 875k ish. You can swap in a dex tome when you use your bow for more damage, and a str tome when you use fists/claws.
    this sounds like a good idea, thanks.
    Sorry, I really don't have any comments that will help improve on your bow build. I just think that if you can afford a nirvana weapon cast 1, why not improve on your other gears to increase your survivability so you can do more and preform better with your char build? It is only a fraction of the cost of the nirvana weapon to get a 5.0 char so you can farm your gear faster (by having a better chance to get into better and faster squads). Also, if you are not considering of having that bow being 2nd cast in the future, it's best to go with the Lunar version.
    it was a gift, otherwise id be stuck with an average joe +6 TT99 gold xbow, i liked the look of it, so i kept it.
    I see that you gave no consideration in refining anything to +5 or even 6+. With some luck, you can easily and cheaply refine anything to +5 with just mirages and Tienkang Stones. Also, the Rank IV chest armor that you have on can be cheaply 4th socketed if you don't want to waste coins trying to get one with 4 sockets.
    that, im still getting to when i get some spare money. id prefer to just D.orb it all with my next spare dime, i always have extremely bad luck with refines otherwise.
    Assuming that you're not planning on getting 5.0 aps with the TT99 HA ornaments, it would be better if you choose the Guard of Thundershock as your gold belt to give you more physical defense, and the Helmet of Pirate. Replace your Heavenly Lord rings with the free Attendance Ring to give you a bit of hp and a def lvl of 1, and Band from Heaven's Jail which will refine for more physical defense and give additional physical attack.
    speakng of more hp, etc. what does it take to make the 146 str OHT helms? i was thinking that would be a decent replacement for pirate or aqua viciousness.
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  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=74046c79a3315dd1 claws
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4ba9e9cb895f010e bow

    perma sparker, and has decent bow for ranged tanking. how is she for an endgamer, besides refines.

    wait.. this game is all about weapon tanking now? I'm so confused...

    As for 4.0 perm spark, yes in theory that is perm spark, but due to lag and all other issue, in actually game play 4.0 isnt perm spark, LOL a lvl 94 noob bm comes in talk bs again
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    wait.. this game is all about weapon tanking now? I'm so confused...

    As for 4.0 perm spark, yes in theory that is perm spark, but due to lag and all other issue, in actually game play 4.0 isnt perm spark, LOL a lvl 94 noob bm comes in talk bs again

    Ehh thats being kinda nit picky. I just tested 4.0.. out of every spark cycle there were 1-3 hits that were unsparked. Thats 97% sparked.

    If I see a car that is 97% red with the other 3% being a black decal I still call that a "red" car.
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    15 x 20 = 300, which is enough. its been common knowledge 4.0 is enough for perma sparking forever and a year. why bother arguing this?

    Since you have asked, I had 4.0 aps, and I was not able to perma spark.

    And, just in case you were also interested in me answering your implied question: personally, I have found that common knowledge will often be wrong. And I have especially noticed this when the basis people offer for it being correct has been that "its common knowledge".

    However, you may have something of a point: I have not sat down with a fraps video of my spark to exactly measure where the time goes.

    But you were asking us to rate your character, and my experience tells me that 4.0 aps is not enough for perma spark.

    (Then again, sometimes 5.0 will not be enough for you to perma-spark, either, because of issues with target switching, target movement, target death, seals, and whatever else. But people mostly ignore that kind of thing.)
  • Admante - Dreamweaver
    Admante - Dreamweaver Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    You get about 280 chi per triple spark at 4.0. Close enough to perma.
  • I_Snipe - Lost City
    I_Snipe - Lost City Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    You should consider the Band from Heaven's Jail and Attendance Ring, or 2 Attendance ring's if you can wait 180 days.

    Also, you should search the Auction House for a better Helm. I was able to find a friend a 3* Rocking Thunder Helmet [Lvl 81 Helmet] with HP +120, Physical Resistance +167, and Requirement -10% add-ons for less than 100k.

    And with the amount of Strength you have, you should have no problem being able to equip Helmet of Immortal Warrior [Lvl 91 Helmet] or even the OHT Dominating Waterforce [OHT Helm]

    Here's a link to Dominating Waterforce showing possible Add-ons and what's required to make it:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20326

    I personally hate the Helm of Aqua Viciousness.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    You get about 280 chi per triple spark at 4.0. Close enough to perma.

    I find your choice of words to be intriguing.

    But, personally, when I was using 4aps, I would have about 240 chi when my spark wore off. I do not know how you are getting a different amount of chi during your spark, than I was, but I will accept that your experience has been different than my experience.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I find your choice of words to be intriguing.

    But, personally, when I was using 4aps, I would have about 240 chi when my spark wore off. I do not know how you are getting a different amount of chi during your spark, than I was, but I will accept that your experience has been different than my experience.

    you lag more then he does.
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=74046c79a3315dd1 claws
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4ba9e9cb895f010e bow

    perma sparker, and has decent bow for ranged tanking. how is she for an endgamer, besides refines.

    Your choice of bow is meh. Your use of claws is also meh without the interval to back it up.

    If you don't at least +5 your bow it's meh, btw. Especially if you pvp, such a bow will not hit for anything. With the cost of nirvana bow, you might as well buy a heaven shatterer and refine it higher.

    It shouldn't be out of your reach to farm a pair or two of TT99 gear for interval. Nirvana is a bit farther but it's not impossible either. There really is not much point to going claws unless you can permaspark, since bows to better dps unsparked.
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  • Avryll - Sanctuary
    Avryll - Sanctuary Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Your choice of bow is meh. Your use of claws is also meh without the interval to back it up.
    it has enough interval for 4.0 aps
    If you don't at least +5 your bow it's meh, btw. Especially if you pvp, such a bow will not hit for anything. With the cost of nirvana bow, you might as well buy a heaven shatterer and refine it higher.
    the bow is +5... are you not even looking at either link?
    It shouldn't be out of your reach to farm a pair or two of TT99 gear for interval. Nirvana is a bit farther but it's not impossible either. There really is not much point to going claws unless you can permaspark, since bows to better dps unsparked.
    she has the two piece LA TT99 bonus... like aster said earlier, 4.0 is still a spark 97% of the time.

    you really must be blind or incredibly dumb...
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    it has enough interval for 4.0 aps


    the bow is +5... are you not even looking at either link?


    she has the two piece LA TT99 bonus... like aster said earlier, 4.0 is still a spark 97% of the time.

    you really must be blind or incredibly dumb...

    Perhaps I should be more clear. It shouldn't be out of your reach to farm the extra TT99 for interval TO REACH 5.0. The refines on those claws do not reach 5, which should be the minimum if you want to do more than tickle things. A badly refined claw in addition to not having 5.0 equates to not enough dps to warrant spending money on claws in the first place.


    I actually did not see the +5 on the bow. I think I saw the+4 on the claws and carried that over to the bow in my own head. However, I don't see why anyone would spend the money to get a nirvana bow and only get it to +5 when you can get a better refined HS. Before you go crying about how I can't read, I already saw that she got it as a gift. That doesn't change the fact that if you're going to leave it at +5 it's a waste. Hopefully it'll see some better refines after it gets recasted.

    Lastly, I personally wouldn't stat the extra strength to wear the claws. Some people do it so they can wear the crit rings, but I think it gimps my bow damage too much. I actually bought a str tome and str boosting rings to wear the claws while I'm PvEing.
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  • Avryll - Sanctuary
    Avryll - Sanctuary Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    If you don't at least +5 your bow it's meh, btw
    now you are changing your stance? make up your mind por favor.
    A badly refined claw in addition to not having 5.0 equates to not enough dps to warrant spending money on claws in the first place.
    i out damaged my bow with dark flash and 2.22 aps in my early 90s, keeping spark up easily with the speed and genie moves. the were only +2, and when the BMs in my parties dragoned? hello 20k crits so often itd make you splooge.often itd make you splooge.
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    now you are changing your stance? make up your mind por favor.


    i out damaged my bow with dark flash and 2.22 aps in my early 90s, keeping spark up easily with the speed and genie moves. the were only +2, and when the BMs in my parties dragoned? hello 20k crits so often itd make you splooge.often itd make you splooge.

    Where did I change my stance?

    I said +5 should be the min for a bow but it's a waste to to get a nirvana bow when that money could easily refine an HS. They aren't contradictory.

    I had a dark flash before claws became popular, I'm quite aware of how much aggro it can generate. For that reason if you're going to bother getting lunar claws and permaspark might as well go all the way. Because heck if you don't, why not just use a Dark Flash like you're so fond of splooging over?
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  • Avryll - Sanctuary
    Avryll - Sanctuary Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    For that reason if you're going to bother getting lunar claws and permaspark might as well go all the way.
    or, not really care at all, seeing as at 4.0 you are already outdamaging a majority of interval characters. and that your contradicting opinions are not of much assistance
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    or, not really care at all, seeing as at 4.0 you are already outdamaging a majority of interval characters. and that your contradicting opinions are not of much assistance

    I didn't contradict anything.

    I'm just the type of person who thinks it's pointless to half-*** things. If being half-assed is good enough for you, it's not really my problem; I only gave my opinion on the matter. Obviously the claws are good dps in the end and whether or not having 4.0 is "worth it" is entirely opinion. However, your understanding of things must be very narrow if you still don't get why I wasn't contradicting myself.
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