how op r they?

Demonwithin - Lost City
Demonwithin - Lost City Posts: 2 Arc User
edited January 2011 in Arigora Colosseum
ok i have a question relating to the issue with assassins one v one endgame.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Nice way to make a broken question. Whichever answer you pick, it still doesn't tell you anything:

    "Yes, sins are a still broken and yes we have found ways to combat them"
    "No sins are not broken anymore but we've not found ways to combat them"
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Well only heavy classes have a chance against sins. Barbarians are relatively squishy and Blademasters using physical marrow when the sin using condensed thorn, is just painful. But i usually beat Sins my level, but they are not endgame yet soooo yeah.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    one v one vs a = gear and skill sin you will die most of the time
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    BM > Sin. If you are an equally geared BM and equally leveled, you shouldn't lose to one. Sins wtf pwn/**** most clerics or wizards though if they don't hit domain.
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  • Desire - Dreamweaver
    Desire - Dreamweaver Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    BM > Sin. If you are an equally geared BM and equally leveled, you shouldn't lose to one. Sins wtf pwn/**** most clerics or wizards though if they don't hit domain.

    As a cleric even with domain you'll die vs a gear and skilled sin , it doesnt last long enough to gain extra seconds to save your butt.
  • Lumpejudd - Harshlands
    Lumpejudd - Harshlands Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    from my eyes...
    i am a li'll lvl 97 light veno and i got no problems with assas at all....there are 2 assas on whe wole server irly got problems with but well they got +11/12 daggers....
    i got +3-4 lvl 90 light armer and assas are np....

    my nix is on def when htey come...i directly use expell lvl 8 on myself=8sec physical imune and watch them while their hp drops by my nix....when the seal is over i just lasthit them
  • Kaste - Sanctuary
    Kaste - Sanctuary Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Balance of classes comes with time. You can not expect new classes to be released and be absolutely balanced compared to rest of game.
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Balance of classes comes with time. You can not expect new classes to be released and be absolutely balanced compared to rest of game.

    Sins were meant to break archer pwnage. Didn't make me mad because they were strong, its cuz i wasted time on an archer then i found out archers totally suck endgame. Unless the person they are fighting sucks
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • avo6
    avo6 Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The only class that I feel that doesn't have a counter for sins are wizards. While developing my assasin I would duel Wizards 20 levels higher than me and win. All I had to do is stealth, stun, and chew away at at minimal HP they have. Now I don't want to claim Sin supremacy yet, but I am mid 9x now and I have yet to find a wiz that has been able to counter me, reguardless of the skill they have. Can someone enlighten me is to how a wizard has a chance?
  • Oscars_SOUL - Lost City
    Oscars_SOUL - Lost City Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    that is in duel where charm dont tick lol waste of time 2 balance it in duel .
    from my experince u should try it on pvp where charm and pot do count cos duela wont help u knew the str or weakness srry 2 point it outb:bye
  • Kaste - Sanctuary
    Kaste - Sanctuary Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Necro.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Aside necro, sins aren't OP, except mega-cashshopped ones. rofl


    Once I break from a sin's stunlock, its usually over for them.b:victory
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Aside necro, sins aren't OP, except mega-cashshopped players. rofl


    Once I break from a sin's stunlock, its usually over for them.b:victory

    fixed
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    11 days is not a necro.
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Yulk is back? oooooooh
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Kaste - Sanctuary
    Kaste - Sanctuary Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    11 days is not a necro.

    True. Frickin' American date. . .
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  • Ravagear - Raging Tide
    Ravagear - Raging Tide Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Most ppl say that sins are op classes and hard to beat but it all really depends on how you play, Ive seen some ppl saying that barbs are bad against sin but I can quite easily beat sins +5-10 levels, unless they have OP gears compared to mine. so far ive met only one sin whom I cnat kill with a 2 level difference, its funny that he dies in 1 hit, but the factor is he doesnt give me the chance to hit him for once ..... how ever id suggest you to get a bramble rage in your genie if youre thinking of killing sins, ....... bramble rage = 1 shot kill, unless they have that skill on. btw Im a dex build barb and I have as much accuracy with BB buff as a sin at my level.
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Aside necro, sins aren't OP, except mega-cashshopped ones. rofl

    Once I break from a sin's stunlock, its usually over for them.b:victory

    Really? I'm shocked. No, really shocked.

    A lvl 102, heavy armor wearing, highest hit point having class can withstand physical attacks?

    Shocking.

    THIS is why people that answer every question with "it depends on your play style" or "every class can beat every class" or "depends on the skill of the player" are all just noise makers. While all of these statements may very well have some truth to them, they ignore certain (at least two) basic facts of the game:

    1. Some classes are more suited to pk in general than others.

    2. Some classes are more suited to pk certain classes over other classes.
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  • Gorgonnia - Heavens Tear
    Gorgonnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    Really? I'm shocked. No, really shocked.

    A lvl 102, heavy armor wearing, highest hit point having class can withstand physical attacks?

    Shocking.

    You'd be shocked if you faced KingThis... or if you saw him kill 30k+ HP barbs in 10 seconds b:bye
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Gorgonnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You'd be shocked if you faced KingThis... or if you saw him kill 30k+ HP barbs in 10 seconds b:bye

    hm notice their post date b:surrender
    and i think you quote wrong person, since what blood say is some class is made to be better on PK
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  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    avo6 wrote: »
    The only class that I feel that doesn't have a counter for sins are wizards. While developing my assasin I would duel Wizards 20 levels higher than me and win. All I had to do is stealth, stun, and chew away at at minimal HP they have. Now I don't want to claim Sin supremacy yet, but I am mid 9x now and I have yet to find a wiz that has been able to counter me, reguardless of the skill they have. Can someone enlighten me is to how a wizard has a chance?
    In a duel without genie skills your chances are close to 0% to win simply because you wont survive the stun and even if you do you cant finish them off before they can stun again because of their defense skills (deaden nerves) and stealth

    in a open PK situation you can defeat them easily if they are out of stealth and you can do the first hit. Other than that It's the same like in duel. I know its frustrating and even genie skills li ke domain or expel only slightly increase your chances to win.

    greetz harm0wnie
  • _Spot_ - Lost City
    _Spot_ - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Lumpejudd - Harshlands wrote: »
    from my eyes...
    i am a li'll lvl 97 light veno and i got no problems with assas at all....there are 2 assas on whe wole server irly got problems with but well they got +11/12 daggers....
    i got +3-4 lvl 90 light armer and assas are np....

    my nix is on def when htey come...i directly use expell lvl 8 on myself=8sec physical imune and watch them while their hp drops by my nix....when the seal is over i just lasthit them

    Expel sin shadow escape wait for expel to run out bang you dead.. is this hard??
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Lumpejudd - Harshlands wrote: »
    from my eyes...
    i am a li'll lvl 97 light veno and i got no problems with assas at all....there are 2 assas on whe wole server irly got problems with but well they got +11/12 daggers....
    i got +3-4 lvl 90 light armer and assas are np....

    my nix is on def when htey come...i directly use expell lvl 8 on myself=8sec physical imune and watch them while their hp drops by my nix....when the seal is over i just lasthit them

    Assassins on your server must have pretty crappy gear if they get soloed by a nix lol
    I somehow find that story kinda hard to believe. No 100+ sin with decent gear will have a sliver of life left after a nix pecked+ bleed them for a few sec. Not unless the veno used amp + amour break + poison on them before.

    But defense mode on nix is of course one of the benefits of being a veno. Not like the nix gets sealed by Expel, it keeps pecking on the sin and might force them to Shadow Escape.
  • Aniella - Harshlands
    Aniella - Harshlands Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    b:chuckle sin are no prob if get fist hit o.o or if they fail 2 stun. Pet on deffed wil not use skills :( i test it. pet's skills wil go just go coldown. but it wil atk o.o XD(realy bugged and waste. If i have pet on deffed and pet use bleed , and nothing heppen:P)that skill have long coldown xD

    And w veno get stuned, Will the pet aswell, so if sin stun(long time stun) fist there is no way a pet can atk bk.Even when its on deffed XD
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  • _Spot_ - Lost City
    _Spot_ - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »
    b:chuckle sin are no prob if get fist hit o.o or if they fail 2 stun. Pet on deffed wil not use skills :( i test it. pet's skills wil go just go coldown. but it wil atk o.o XD(realy bugged and waste. If i have pet on deffed and pet use bleed , and nothing heppen:P)that skill have long coldown xD

    And w veno get stuned, Will the pet aswell, so if sin stun(long time stun) fist there is no way a pet can atk bk.Even when its on deffed XD

    I guess on your server sins must really suck hard......
  • _Spot_ - Lost City
    _Spot_ - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    BM > Sin. If you are an equally geared BM and equally leveled, you shouldn't lose to one. Sins wtf pwn/**** most clerics or wizards though if they don't hit domain.

    It depends on skill if equally geared i fought you this weekend(dont remeber day) but really you were very easy to kill, like 5 sec.....


    The hard part are bms like almon who have 11+ 12+...... and drop me in 2secb:surrender

    But if a bm has like 5+ its really not hard to pwn them......

    I fought a lot of bms and on 1 vs 1 since i got lv l100 only almon drop me like i was a fly...

    Ps : and yes i know a lot more can drop me but you are not one of themb:bye
  • Aniella - Harshlands
    Aniella - Harshlands Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    _Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »
    I guess on your server sins must really suck hard......

    Lol not all but many yeah <.< i seen lvl 100 sin that didn't used stelt XD and he knew i was gona atk him LOL <.<
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  • Masterpachi - Heavens Tear
    Masterpachi - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    all sins have is crit hits witch can be takn care of with sertin genie sklls ..skilled BM should have no prob :P
  • _Spot_ - Lost City
    _Spot_ - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Masterpachi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    all sins have is crit hits witch can be takn care of with sertin genie sklls ..skilled BM should have no prob :P

    Lol, you still have too much to learn young paladinb:bye
  • Vindrael - Lost City
    Vindrael - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    _Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »
    Lol, you still have too much to learn young paladinb:bye

    I've learned that Psychics came built with some protection from sins, but it doesn't take much to turn me into sushi if the sin is skilled. My pet is named Wasabi, so with some rice and soy sauce I could be made into a tasty Nigiri Roll. b:chuckle

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