Do you want Dragon Order?

ExXxOtica - Dreamweaver
ExXxOtica - Dreamweaver Posts: 3 Arc User
edited October 2010 in General Discussion
Umm ok, i have see this poll into PW site: http://pwi.perfectworld.com/

I am not sure: Dragon Order is Dragon Quest (DQ) system?

if yes, they remove DQ system if people says that dont want dragon order?
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  • Shadowfire - Dreamweaver
    Shadowfire - Dreamweaver Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    It's simply asking people to vote yes/no on if they actually do the dragon quests to receive dragon orders.

    I don't think it's a poll to determine whether or not the dragon quests remain in the game. (If it is, I'd hope we'd be told about it, or that the question would be "Do you want dragon quests/orders to be in the game?"
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Urgh. I'm confused. But I don't want them to remove dragon orders, unless they introduce another way to get the molds: currently collecting for blood bracers of moon for an alt.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Urgh. I'm confused. But I don't want them to remove dragon orders, unless they introduce another way to get the molds: currently collecting for blood bracers of moon for an alt.

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  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    That poll wasn't made to decide the future of Dragon Orders, but to get an idea of how DQ items are being used.

    Don't worry, we're not getting rid of Dragon Orders :)
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  • ExXxOtica - Dreamweaver
    ExXxOtica - Dreamweaver Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lol, i am not sure...for what is used DQ item....
    umm
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=740112
    umm
    and badge of intelligent (can obtain it only with DQ-DOrder), but not every player have money to make seven badge quest.


    More people dont know Celestial Excerption obtained with chest give from gold and silver order (1% grrrr).

    And true...it is crazy obtain the special mold or the pet ride with DOrder...


    The pool dont ask for what is used DQ.

    "Do you do Dragon Orders?"
    dont says "do you know celestial excerption", dont says "you make DQ mold/pet ride", or"you use it for badge of intelligent"
    Only ask if people Do:
    do it -> profit
    dont do it -> useless...can remove
  • Themax - Heavens Tear
    Themax - Heavens Tear Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Mark my words , eventually they will get rid of DQ drops , you'll be getting only coin drops from mobs if that. PWE is awful, absolutely horrid company who ****s on their player base.

    P.S. Im pretty sure with all the recent updates they made PWI unplayable so people would move to FW.

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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Simply too much time consuming (in a game where you need to work extra hard to have something).
    If it were to be reworked and made to be some actual "fun" not easier along the side of useful you would be looking on many happy faces.
    b:dirty
  • haybails
    haybails Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    frankieraye wrote: »
    That poll wasn't made to decide the future of Dragon Orders, but to get an idea of how DQ items are being used.

    Don't worry, we're not getting rid of Dragon Orders :)

    Thanks Frankie for stating this but assurances aside, I'm still not sure how to proceed with the poll question and the potentials that may result, if the wrong hands got hold of the result and read into it differently from your or our intention.

    I tend to keep a stock of DQ items, for reasons that if I'm near the DQ NPC I need to visit, I can check that part of the quest off, I could send DQ items to my alts for bank quest or sell to players if they really want them. If I have my set quota stored, I NPC any more I get in drops for skills and repairs. It's not exactly an efficient way of doing things but makes fairly good use of my time.

    There are instances of DQ's losing favour, later quests and some desirable items (like the mounts) becoming boutique items. Also, it seems that the drops which for some reason appear the least likely to drop, are the ones we always need! Sure, it adds more grinding but it is already a long quest so people take the time/level efficient option and go for other quests/BH (x3 b:sad ) etc.

    Vilkass mentioned molds but I honestly doubt that many people were much aware of these things and if they are, by the time they get them, it would be for an alt.

    I don't know if the drop in DQ drop price has encouraged people to partake in Dragon Quests. Nelae suggests maybe a more fun, streamlined DQ would be better? I'd like some of the items available from Dragon Orders but it seems a lifetimes task!

    One thing is for sure though, through many levels and for the more casual gamer (one that can put in an hour or so a day), DQ drops are an essential part of their income and economy.

    I don't know what else to say at the moment. We need DQ drops, they are influential in so much in the game, even if we don't realise it.

    Back to the actual poll specifying DO's... I have some but nowhere near enough to do anything with them yet. b:surrender
  • Kinjeto - Raging Tide
    Kinjeto - Raging Tide Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    DQ was NEVER worth it...

    The only two items that are WORTH IT are:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/12223 - This issue which drops...
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12265 - This item

    Amount:3
    Channelling -6%
    Water Resistance +141
    Magic +7~8

    Of course the Badge of Wisdom is common knowledge for the 7 numen weapon and thats if you get 35k of rep..
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/items/11723

    But you need 10 of them anyway, also the Badges of Bravery are only from the GM event and two many people would be **** anyway to sell them they'd just use them for SP.

    Only other ring thats worth while is the DQ ring
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13163
    Channelling Time -6%
    Vitality +5-6
    Magic +5-6

    The rest of the DQ stuff is superseeded by the TT stuff -> Nirvana gear and you can just ignore the rest.

    Perfect World Beijing never learns, when they could make entire sets of armour for each thing in the game.

    I.E: Making the REPUTATION a concieveable amount and making it fair and galliant or making a fair and decent DQ set of armour. b:pleased

    I *might* say the Rank 6 items for SOME classes are worth while. Like the -10 casting sword. But personally its only for the prestiege of owning the stupid thing.

    Take for instance World of ******** they make the raiding worth while with the 'teams' and we could do the same here and you could have a set of armour for whatever achievement you wanted to get. But once again PW Beijing has no idea sometimes;.

    Take it from me I played Perfect World Malaysia for 3 years, their old site looked like **** and they had the bloody thing with "Up and coming" since April 2010 maybe May 2010 and now they want people to come back. I know where I am staying. The whole of PW MY was dead for most of 2009.
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  • ZAPATON - Sanctuary
    ZAPATON - Sanctuary Posts: 875 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    frankieraye wrote: »
    That poll wasn't made to decide the future of Dragon Orders, but to get an idea of how DQ items are being used.

    Don't worry, we're not getting rid of Dragon Orders :)

    I use them to make the NPCs rich b:victory I'm that gentle b:pleased
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Themax - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Mark my words , eventually they will get rid of DQ drops , you'll be getting only coin drops from mobs if that. PWE is awful, absolutely horrid company who ****s on their player base.

    P.S. Im pretty sure with all the recent updates they made PWI unplayable so people would move to FW.

    NO TY!

    Out of all the legitimate complaints we could make: why this speculation presented as fact?

    No compensation for SP, XP, Rep, teleport cost, and time lost to their glitch (Call to Duty reward) when submitting a ticket about it.

    They had a legitimate reason for dropping the NPC value of DQ, but not for **** people by introducing a glitch and not taking responsibility for it.
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  • Promivius - Dreamweaver
    Promivius - Dreamweaver Posts: 278 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Odd poll as it makes little sense to those unknown to the quest/rewards.

    I am person who collects DQ-items whenever I can. I basically farm them of 1 account.
    Been collecting them since day 1.

    This is why I still look forward to the answers of the DQ-items in general in regard to drops in value. (You know the thread that got unstickied...)

    My goal will remain getting another "Fine Pataka of Bohdi-mold" and all other items regardless of their usefulness...

    So far 3x "Robes of Blood Might-molds" (that's 90 Copper coins for those uninformed with the required DQ coins) and 1 "Fine Pataka of Bodhi-mold" (50 Copper and 10 Silver coins).

    Used 10 Coppers too for a L30 necklace/belt mold (I forgot which one it was and whether it was a belt of necklace)
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  • Chillum - Dreamweaver
    Chillum - Dreamweaver Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Personally I still do Dragon Quests.

    They made a decent contribution to my levelling and also from them, I got my Bracers of Blood Moon mold for my assassin alt.

    Having said that it is fair to say that it probably would have been cheaper for me to simply sell all the dragon quest items I got and buy the mold or made item from another player.

    The rewards from it haven't really kept up with the rest of PWI and look outdated by comparison.

    What can be done to make them more attractive? I don't know but there are certainly a lot of possibilities you could go down.

    - Increase EXP, Spirit rewards
    - Introduce reputation as a reward (Perhaps something like 20-41 3 rep, 51-71 6 rep, 81 & 91 9 rep)
    - Lower amount of DQ items needed for each step / tweak DQ drop rates upwards from mobs
    - Review prizes from exchanging Dragon Orders (molds, mounts, equipment packs). Perhaps introduce fashion as a prize?

    I'm sure there are many other possibilties. Those are just off the top of my head.

    Regards.
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  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Good ideas, all, Chillum.

    I used to do DQ with my cleric alt, but it didn't really feal worth all the hassle. If rewards were upped in accordance, I might get back to doing them...
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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    frankieraye wrote: »
    That poll wasn't made to decide the future of Dragon Orders, but to get an idea of how DQ items are being used.

    Don't worry, we're not getting rid of Dragon Orders :)

    Interesting response, and rather a lot left unsaid. You might not be getting rid of dragon orders, but what about the DQ items? A poll like that just screams of digging for excuses to remove DQ items. What's stopping PWI from saying "oh hey gaiz, we've realized no one does dragon orders, so we changed the way the quests works so it's worthwhile! Aren't we awesome? (OhAndWeRemovedDqDrops).

    PWI say that every change is done with good reason, but truth is they know exactly what they're doing, and they also know full well that removing DQ drops would create an increase in cash shop dependency and thus boost profit.

    Because of the devs so called fear of bot farmers, it's obvious mob grinding will NEVER be profitable or worthwhile ever again.
  • Smobo - Heavens Tear
    Smobo - Heavens Tear Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kinjeto - Raging Tide wrote: »
    DQ was NEVER worth it...

    The only two items that are WORTH IT are:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/12223 - This issue which drops...
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12265 - This item

    Amount:3
    Channelling -6%
    Water Resistance +141
    Magic +7~8

    Of course the Badge of Wisdom is common knowledge for the 7 numen weapon and thats if you get 35k of rep..
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/items/11723

    But you need 10 of them anyway, also the Badges of Bravery are only from the GM event and two many people would be **** anyway to sell them they'd just use them for SP.

    I'm confused to what rank 6, or the dragonchild necklace has anything to do with DQ. Also, you can get badge of bravery from:
    tokens of best luck: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/recipe/4687
    CoA: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/recipe/3706

    Also, this is probably the best use of DOs:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14016


    And, if they implemented this: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/4871, I know a lot of people who would want the orders.
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Chillum - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Personally I still do Dragon Quests.

    They made a decent contribution to my levelling and also from them, I got my Bracers of Blood Moon mold for my assassin alt.

    Having said that it is fair to say that it probably would have been cheaper for me to simply sell all the dragon quest items I got and buy the mold or made item from another player.

    The rewards from it haven't really kept up with the rest of PWI and look outdated by comparison.

    What can be done to make them more attractive? I don't know but there are certainly a lot of possibilities you could go down.

    - Increase EXP, Spirit rewards
    - Introduce reputation as a reward (Perhaps something like 20-41 3 rep, 51-71 6 rep, 81 & 91 9 rep)
    - Lower amount of DQ items needed for each step / tweak DQ drop rates upwards from mobs
    - Review prizes from exchanging Dragon Orders (molds, mounts, equipment packs). Perhaps introduce fashion as a prize?

    I'm sure there are many other possibilties. Those are just off the top of my head.

    Regards.

    ^this

    &

    Along the lines of making it not so painful, dropping the requirements and boosting up the rewards, I would add even a 10-15min easy instance for all level ranges so just it's not that "easy".

    ~would be nice to gather more ideas, who knows, they might just listen.
    b:dirty
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Who likes it when they earn something that took great effort just to have PWI come and devalue it and make it common for all?

    -This is what you guys are requesting them to do: **** those of us that put in the effort.
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  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Interesting response, and rather a lot left unsaid. You might not be getting rid of dragon orders, but what about the DQ items? A poll like that just screams of digging for excuses to remove DQ items. What's stopping PWI from saying "oh hey gaiz, we've realized no one does dragon orders, so we changed the way the quests works so it's worthwhile! Aren't we awesome? (OhAndWeRemovedDqDrops).

    PWI say that every change is done with good reason, but truth is they know exactly what they're doing, and they also know full well that removing DQ drops would create an increase in cash shop dependency and thus boost profit.

    Because of the devs so called fear of bot farmers, it's obvious mob grinding will NEVER be profitable or worthwhile ever again.


    We're not getting rid of DQ drops either.

    b:thanks
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  • haybails
    haybails Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Interesting response, and rather a lot left unsaid. You might not be getting rid of dragon orders, but what about the DQ items? A poll like that just screams of digging for excuses to remove DQ items. What's stopping PWI from saying "oh hey gaiz, we've realized no one does dragon orders, so we changed the way the quests works so it's worthwhile! Aren't we awesome? (OhAndWeRemovedDqDrops).

    This is actually a fear I have garnered from this poll. I know in a way it ties in with whatever Frankie and the team have for ideas about the DQ nerf but, it does sound like something has been said about another nerf or complete revamp of the DQ.

    If DQ drops are to go, not only will grinding no longer be viable (cost effective at all), neither will doing regular quests, except the ones with the ornament/armour rewards. Oh... wait a second... that would mean less celestones around, increasing the perceived value of TW land ownership (mirage) reward.

    Please Frankie, please tell us nothing like this has been banded about. b:beg b:sad b:cry


    EDIT* Just seen your post Frankie :)
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    frankieraye wrote: »
    We're not getting rid of DQ drops either.

    b:thanks

    But will you make any modifications?
    And if yes, would you at least take some ideas to the thinking table back to the dev's?
    b:dirty
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I think you guys are reading into it too much. I try to take view everything in a positive light. Perhaps they wanted to encourage more people to do them and increase the rewards like they did with the Cube of Fate, but then again it's just a poll after all.
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  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But will you make any modifications?
    And if yes, would you at least take some ideas to the thinking table back to the dev's?


    At this time there are no plans to modify DQ items, but if that changes, I'll let you know as soon as I know.

    Also, the poll's purpose was not to make some kind of case for modifying DQ items.
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  • ZAPATON - Sanctuary
    ZAPATON - Sanctuary Posts: 875 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    frankieraye wrote: »
    the poll's purpose was not to make some kind of case for modifying DQ items.

    Was it just curiosity then? b:puzzled I'm curious now b:surprised

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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    frankieraye wrote: »
    At this time there are no plans to modify DQ items, but if that changes, I'll let you know as soon as I know.

    Also, the poll's purpose was not to make some kind of case for modifying DQ items.

    b:victory thnx for the quick response
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