good idea restat?

shirohigewb
shirohigewb Posts: 1 Arc User
edited October 2010 in Blademaster
is a good idea restat at lvl 60 the vit the go 3str/2dex for axes/fists? i've 45 vit ant i don't have enough dex to wear a good fists then.... better 600hp more or the chance to wear a good fists and a good axes?
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yes, you won't regret re statting if you know what your doing.

    Don't listen to those people who have like 100 vit and go sage just because "they don't like to be squishy". 3 str 2 dex bm only has slightly less resist then vitality bms.

    Slightly less def with fist power > Slightly more def with Axe power that miss a lot.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Surentos - Lost City
    Surentos - Lost City Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    i like the 3/2 build personally. low hp at lower lvls in things like bh39 when you half to face bombs is annoying but you'll live. to restat for fists alone . . . . . may i smack you plz b:sad. fists are great dps i agree as their one of the better weapons. but to tell you the truth. Without stacked -int single blades normal attack dps is higher and their skills hit harder . . alot harder. Axe skill spamming out DD's non -int fists as well. polarms are still being lvl'd up for my bm lol. but really fists broke bm's. now only 3+ aps fist bm's are wanted for anything anymore other then fcc where they like axe/fist.

    edit: thought i fixed my sig and class lvls lol, my bm is 84 now lol.
    sanctuary

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    assassin - 75
    archer - 73
    veno - 64
    blademaster - 56
    wizzard - 30
    psychic - 23

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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Surentos - Lost City wrote: »
    i like the 3/2 build personally. low hp at lower lvls in things like bh39 when you half to face bombs is annoying but you'll live. to restat for fists alone . . . . . may i smack you plz b:sad. fists are great dps i agree as their one of the better weapons. but to tell you the truth. Without stacked -int single blades normal attack dps is higher and their skills hit harder . . alot harder. Axe skill spamming out DD's non -int fists as well. polarms are still being lvl'd up for my bm lol. but really fists broke bm's. now only 3+ aps fist bm's are wanted for anything anymore other then fcc where they like axe/fist.

    edit: thought i fixed my sig and class lvls lol, my bm is 84 now lol.

    Not true. I can steal aggro from pure axe BMs with TT80 axes +5 (or calamities, doesn't matter) tanking a boss with my TT80 fists +3, no -int. My normal attack is 2.5k ish (can't remember very well as I haven't played in three weeks or so) and I can double spark way more often than them.

    I would've wanted to tank but I can't do Pole with one cleric, massive lag and 5.1k HP.
    100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
    pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.
  • Veins - Dreamweaver
    Veins - Dreamweaver Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Surentos - Lost City wrote: »
    Without stacked -int single blades normal attack dps is higher and their skills hit harder . . alot harder. Axe skill spamming out DD's non -int fists as well.

    Show me the numbers. Otherwise, no, fists have the best DPS, even without any -interval.
    :3
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    shirohigewb wrote: »
    is a good idea restat at lvl 60 the vit the go 3str/2dex for axes/fists? i've 45 vit ant i don't have enough dex to wear a good fists then.... better 600hp more or the chance to wear a good fists and a good axes?
    Don't base your re-statting merely on character level. Base it on your ability to make up the HP with refines/shards and stat out accordingly. Survivability is the key.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Veins - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Show me the numbers. Otherwise, no, fists have the best DPS, even without any -interval.

    go work out the numbers your 101 the swords comments are for poorish lowbies because its cheaper to buy a higher refined sword offf ah than it is to buy low refine fists. add on the refine differance and single swords are viable pre int/speed boosts

    note: high+phys rings or adds negate the above as does wind sheild spam (should not have to disclaimer my posts to fend off the smartassery)
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Veins - Dreamweaver
    Veins - Dreamweaver Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I don't have to work out the numbers - the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

    If you're talking about higher refined swords having better DPS than lower refined fists, holy ****, that's not a difficult concept to understand, but it's completely irrelevant to discussion, particularly this discussion.
    :3
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Veins - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I don't have to work out the numbers - the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

    If you're talking about higher refined swords having better DPS than lower refined fists, holy ****, that's not a difficult concept to understand, but it's completely irrelevant to discussion, particularly this discussion.

    im saying that swords refine better than fists so with 0 int gear the swords will pass up fists at about +5 with no other phys adds/rings

    with rings and adds its closer to 6/7

    and yes higher refine swords are cheaper than lower revine fists in some cases (tt 60 for example)

    fists are still better for 99% of the gameb:chuckle
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Veins - Dreamweaver
    Veins - Dreamweaver Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    ....They DON'T refine better. The same level of weapon refines at the same rate. Post some numbers to illustrate your point, or you're wrong. o_o
    :3
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    To the OP: 45 vitality is not to bad and may come in very handy if you plan to PK or TW. You get the 40 more stats you gave up 8 levels after, but probably much sooner with propper gear. In PVE as you learn to play your BM survivability will go up anyways and that vitality won't be as needed and will be more useful going towards damage and killing things quicker before they kill you. Personal choice between respectable dmg and respectable survivability or best damage and less survivability. At higher levels survivability goes up anyways and 600 hp won't make too much difference.

    To the people who are off topic:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14797 TT60 G8 swords + 80 at level 5 refine
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14819 TT60 G8 axes + 80 at level 5 refine
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14861 TT60 G8 fists + 57 at level 5 refine
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14839 TT60 G8 poleaxe +80 at level 5 refine

    ...Fists get gyped! b:sad
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Veins - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ....They DON'T refine better. The same level of weapon refines at the same rate. Post some numbers to illustrate your point, or you're wrong. o_o

    oh look they do

    good saku *throws a cookie*
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Veins - Dreamweaver
    Veins - Dreamweaver Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Er. Seriously? Is it like that for every level weapon then or just the level 8s?
    :3
  • Michael - Harshlands
    Michael - Harshlands Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Something that always gets forgotten when considering the refine rate of the fists is that we are actually discussing the DPS of the weapons without interval gear and we are merely looking at raw refine numbers not their effect on actual dps

    When you multiply refine rate by unmodified attack speed
    Sword 1.11 x 80 = 88.8
    Fists 1.43x57 = 81.51
    Spear 1x80 = 80
    Axe 0.91x80 = 72.8

    Sword is still ahead but not by anywhere near as far as previously indicated and when considering 2 rings giving +50 phys attack each (total of +100 phys attack) and the refine rates (assumption being that at level weapons have almost identical base dps)

    Fist = 224.51
    Sword = 88.8 + 111 = 199.8
    Spear = 180
    Axe = 163.8

    This doesnt even include shards which once again the fist gets more bonus from, interval gear which also benifits the fist more, or strength (which is fairly even for most builds as 3 strength per level is commonly the maximum used till 100)

    However all this being said you also have to factor in survivability which the sword build will have more of as all the points he saves on dex (which is just crit and a very tiny chance to hit on mobs) goes straight into vit and at lower levels (pre 90) where people hardly refine or shard at all every point of vit makes a big difference at 90-100 when people start actually refining and sharding vit becomes less important and the amount of coin you spend on your gear becomes more important.

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