The Key to Staff
Airyll - Dreamweaver
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There are problems with our staff team. This much has been recognised by a number of people. Too inexperienced on these particular forums and whatever else may have you. I'm going to address these and explain what I feel a staff member should have.
Before people wish to judge me unqualified, I will state here that I am head administrator of two forums (meaning I run the boards and am in charge of the complete staff team. It's effectively like the CM here in it's own way.) and moderate another three. I have experience with being a staff member on boards, and the principles of staff do not change from forum to forum. Moderators lock and move and sticky wherever you go. Admins lock, move, sticky and take your complaints.
My golden rule of staff, which has never failed me nor my staff team:
If you cannot participate on the forums as a normal forum member, and if you cannot see a situation from a member's view point, you cannot be good staff.
This has never led me astray in my many, many years of administrating and moderating forums. If you cannot participate on a forum like a normal, average member and if you cannot have fun doing so, you will never have fun being staff. And if you cannot have fun being staff, you are likely to get frustrated, angry, and do a poor job.
Similarly, if you have a staff member who becomes arrogant and cocky, they are likely to both abuse their power, and again they will not have fun when people start to dislike their attitude.
Now then, keeping this in mind, let us look at our moderators.
Grim: Known for a 'cyber' thread, and a well known spammer in off topic discussion. Has he had fun as a member? Yes he has. Has he stayed within the rules? No, but few members have perfect records. Has he been helpful to the forum community? ... well no, he's been an off topic spammer. Does he really fit the criteria for a moderator?
Not particularly, but with some work he could have made a good moderator. I do not believe, from what I have seen so far, that he's an experienced moderator for these forums. Not yet. Maybe if he was trained in how these forums, not just Off Topic, actually work, he would have made a very good moderator. His signature that he had here for a brief timed showed a worrying sign of arrogance, but this signature was later taken down after complaints. I do believe he could have made something of himself if he had more experience.
Shelly: A forum lurker. Does this mean she has experience? No it does not. You could lurk on a forum forever, but watching does not constitute experience. In forums like these you have to post and interact with people to get a feel for how this forum works. It's like swimming.
You can watch somebody swim, and you can think "Oh hey, I get it! I have some experience!"
Then you go into the water yourself, and you flail your arms around trying to repeat what you've seen, but it really isn't as easy as you thought it would.
Forums are the same. Every forum has a 'flow' and that flow will change depending on who posts there. Do you get experience if you lurk? Not the kind you need to moderate. Should Shelly have been a moderator? In my honest opinion, no, she should not. She was even less suited for this job then Grim was.
Shelly also has a worryingly arrogant attitude. While everybody claims her first post was arrogant, I think this was overreacting, but later posts made by her have been exceptionally arrogant and very unfounded.
Really now? We all knew that. But you should have also been prepared to be moderating forums you were put in charge of on weekends. It's voluntary, yes, but it's part of the job. Moderating forums isn't a weekday job where you get the weekends off. It's a job where you need to check online, every day, even if only for an hour, to make sure things are in running order.
And yes, folks. An hour. That's all it takes if you have a large enough moderating team that can work together and have fun with the member base at the same time.
Moderating is not easy. Please, never think that it is. It can get frustrating and tiresome when you have to deal with problem members, it can get so horribly ridiculous that you want to pull your hair out. It is not easy on a normal forum, nevermind one like this.
But it is not hard. Proper, experienced staff can work together to keep their forums happy, engage with the members on their level in threads that don't require moderation, and can moderate and enforce rules when they need to. It's not easy, but it's not rocket science and it's not hard.
This forum has been neglected. It is large. From my viewpoint as a staff member on other sites, a forum of this capacity, and given it's current state of affairs, needs a team of five or six dedicated, knowledgeable moderators. No, they aren't all going to be known. At this point that is far too much to ask for. Far too much. But they need to have the ability to meet the members head on and interact with forum members on their level.
They need to understand they were once one of us. And they need to understand being a moderator doesn't change the fact
you're still a fellow forum member.
It gives you extra duties, but it does not change what part of this forum you came from.
We do not have staff who can manage this. They cannot meet us on our level, and they are or have been acting prissy and arrogant. As a result, people are angry.
We do need new moderators, I feel. We need moderators with more forum experience then our current moderators and we need staff who remember where they came from, and can meet us and greet us on our level. No more pompous assery. No more making members into moderators because they asked if a position was open (Grim.) We need genuine people who can be genuine staff.
Before people wish to judge me unqualified, I will state here that I am head administrator of two forums (meaning I run the boards and am in charge of the complete staff team. It's effectively like the CM here in it's own way.) and moderate another three. I have experience with being a staff member on boards, and the principles of staff do not change from forum to forum. Moderators lock and move and sticky wherever you go. Admins lock, move, sticky and take your complaints.
My golden rule of staff, which has never failed me nor my staff team:
If you cannot participate on the forums as a normal forum member, and if you cannot see a situation from a member's view point, you cannot be good staff.
This has never led me astray in my many, many years of administrating and moderating forums. If you cannot participate on a forum like a normal, average member and if you cannot have fun doing so, you will never have fun being staff. And if you cannot have fun being staff, you are likely to get frustrated, angry, and do a poor job.
Similarly, if you have a staff member who becomes arrogant and cocky, they are likely to both abuse their power, and again they will not have fun when people start to dislike their attitude.
Now then, keeping this in mind, let us look at our moderators.
Grim: Known for a 'cyber' thread, and a well known spammer in off topic discussion. Has he had fun as a member? Yes he has. Has he stayed within the rules? No, but few members have perfect records. Has he been helpful to the forum community? ... well no, he's been an off topic spammer. Does he really fit the criteria for a moderator?
Not particularly, but with some work he could have made a good moderator. I do not believe, from what I have seen so far, that he's an experienced moderator for these forums. Not yet. Maybe if he was trained in how these forums, not just Off Topic, actually work, he would have made a very good moderator. His signature that he had here for a brief timed showed a worrying sign of arrogance, but this signature was later taken down after complaints. I do believe he could have made something of himself if he had more experience.
Shelly: A forum lurker. Does this mean she has experience? No it does not. You could lurk on a forum forever, but watching does not constitute experience. In forums like these you have to post and interact with people to get a feel for how this forum works. It's like swimming.
You can watch somebody swim, and you can think "Oh hey, I get it! I have some experience!"
Then you go into the water yourself, and you flail your arms around trying to repeat what you've seen, but it really isn't as easy as you thought it would.
Forums are the same. Every forum has a 'flow' and that flow will change depending on who posts there. Do you get experience if you lurk? Not the kind you need to moderate. Should Shelly have been a moderator? In my honest opinion, no, she should not. She was even less suited for this job then Grim was.
Shelly also has a worryingly arrogant attitude. While everybody claims her first post was arrogant, I think this was overreacting, but later posts made by her have been exceptionally arrogant and very unfounded.
It's my weekend too.
Really now? We all knew that. But you should have also been prepared to be moderating forums you were put in charge of on weekends. It's voluntary, yes, but it's part of the job. Moderating forums isn't a weekday job where you get the weekends off. It's a job where you need to check online, every day, even if only for an hour, to make sure things are in running order.
And yes, folks. An hour. That's all it takes if you have a large enough moderating team that can work together and have fun with the member base at the same time.
Moderating is not easy. Please, never think that it is. It can get frustrating and tiresome when you have to deal with problem members, it can get so horribly ridiculous that you want to pull your hair out. It is not easy on a normal forum, nevermind one like this.
But it is not hard. Proper, experienced staff can work together to keep their forums happy, engage with the members on their level in threads that don't require moderation, and can moderate and enforce rules when they need to. It's not easy, but it's not rocket science and it's not hard.
This forum has been neglected. It is large. From my viewpoint as a staff member on other sites, a forum of this capacity, and given it's current state of affairs, needs a team of five or six dedicated, knowledgeable moderators. No, they aren't all going to be known. At this point that is far too much to ask for. Far too much. But they need to have the ability to meet the members head on and interact with forum members on their level.
They need to understand they were once one of us. And they need to understand being a moderator doesn't change the fact
you're still a fellow forum member.
It gives you extra duties, but it does not change what part of this forum you came from.
We do not have staff who can manage this. They cannot meet us on our level, and they are or have been acting prissy and arrogant. As a result, people are angry.
We do need new moderators, I feel. We need moderators with more forum experience then our current moderators and we need staff who remember where they came from, and can meet us and greet us on our level. No more pompous assery. No more making members into moderators because they asked if a position was open (Grim.) We need genuine people who can be genuine staff.
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Lots of great key points, one that specially caught my attention: "If you cannot participate on the forums as a normal forum member, and if you cannot see a situation from a member's view point, you cannot be good staff." I have to definitely agree on this. If the staff did this, it would be easier to correct problems or at least work things out.0
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I 100% wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said Airyll.0
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I like this thread.
At this point though, I can't think of anyone that's known on the forums that would fit the bill. The majority of the intelligent and well-known people on this forum (that would make good moderators) have... well... made too many waves. Can't blame them, because they're just being logical, but I can't see the people that I'm thinking of ever being asked to moderate.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Evict is a sexy chalupa.
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Marry me? b:dirty0
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/inb4lock4insultingzemods
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VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »/inb4lock4insultingzemods
How/Who would you pick for the staff team?
An earlier poster was right, at this point the people who would have made good mods and were a good part of the community have left for logical and obvious reasons.
I think this is a forum on the brink of war, and at the moment there is no "right" way to pick a staff team, only a way to try and find the best suited for the job. For that matter, I would probably have official 'auditions' if you were for, for moderating positions.
People who felt they could adequately moderate would send me an application form, very much like they were applying for a job. It's a terribly formal way of doing things and I don't particularly enjoy doing it if I can avoid it, but more often than not it works. People who aren't dedicated enough to fill out that form would not be dedicated enough to do their job properly. Similar it lets you view who is and who is not suitable for a job without having to glance all over a form to check things.
And given the state of this forum right now, I'd probably have myself do some research into the promising applicants' posts to confirm what they say, simply because I wouldn't dare take any chances and would like to try and make sure I made the best possible choice I could have made at this point in time.
This is a very dire situation, don't get me wrong. There's no easy nor right way to pick moderators at this point with a forum in such chaos. But. That is what I would do if it ws up to me.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »An earlier poster was right, at this point the people who would have made good mods and were a good part of the community have left for logical and obvious reasons.
I think this is a forum on the brink of war, and at the moment there is no "right" way to pick a staff team, only a way to try and find the best suited for the job. For that matter, I would probably have official 'auditions' if you were for, for moderating positions.
People who felt they could adequately moderate would send me an application form, very much like they were applying for a job. It's a terribly formal way of doing things and I don't particularly enjoy doing it if I can avoid it, but more often then not it works. People who aren't dedicated enough to fill out that forum would not be dedicated enough to do their job properly. Similar it lets you view who is and who is not suitable for a job without having to glance all over a form to check things.
And given the state of this forum right now, I'd probably have myself do some research into the promising applicants' posts to confirm what they say, simply because I wouldn't dare take any chances and would like to try and make sure I made the best possible choice I could have made at this point in time.
This is a very dire situation, don't get me wrong. There's no easy nor right way to pick moderators at this point with a forum in such chaos. But. That is what I would do if it was up to me.
Fixed.
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But really.. Airy at least you have some sort of solution. That's more than some people can say, myself included. I still wish we could have avoided this entire situation in the first place.0 -
chaoticrampage wrote: »
Fixed.
b:cute
But really.. Airy at least you have some sort of solution. That's more than some people can say, myself included. I still wish we could have avoided this entire situation in the first place.
Oh ho ho ho you witty little thing you, catching my typos for me. I'll save the vulgarity for MSN for you.
And people have been complaining that everybody complains without offering solutions, and in a way they're all exactly right. This was my suggestion, my idea and my small solution to this huge problem. It would not fix everything, it would not be the perfect solution, it would not make everything go away, but it is a solution nonetheless.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
This is an amazing thread. Thank you, just, thank you.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Thankiez to Dorset for the sig!
MagicHamsta will remain in our hearts forever
P.S. I am a female venomancer ^^ I know it's rare, isn't it?0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »Oh ho ho ho you witty little thing you, catching my typos for me. I'll save the vulgarity for MSN for you.
And people have been complaining that everybody complains without offering solutions, and in a way they're all exactly right. This was my suggestion, my idea and my small solution to this huge problem. It would not fix everything, it would not be the perfect solution, it would not make everything go away, but it is a solution nonetheless.
It's still a step in the positive direction. Just knowing that the Mods are at least being carefully chosen would satisfy a few to some degree and progress could be made from there. While new Mods are being chosen certain people should be banned, myself included, because of the disruption they've caused. I'm more than willing to accept a ban for that thread, even permanent ban on Zanryu if it at least mean the forums will become a decent place again.
We need Mods that truly care about the community and who can be on for a decent amount of time each day. They also need good judgement of what to move and lock and what to leave open. The forums would be much better if they at least had more attention than they do now.
Obviously things can't be fixed in a day or a week or possibly even a month, but taking small steps will help put us back on track to having good forums, assuming the forums can even be saved at this point.0 -
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I think so far three points really stood out for me.
- Process transparency;
- A happy employee is a productive employee; and
- To really know the people, you must have really lived among the people.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I agree 110% with the OP. Excellent post Airyll! b:kiss0
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Airyll, while just about everything you said is what I think a moderator should be, I can't help but wonder if the forum mods did try to pick the best people for the job. Though the mods they chose have made some... questionable choices since they were sworn in, but with what they were given I have to say they are doing a pretty decent job with trying to keep us in line, or at least was, but I guess not now since a thread was left alone for so long, which gives further proof of what has been said about the mods as of late, which is just really bad for them, and as a side effect us. ;/
As for selecting mods by a "questioner" survey (private answers of course, to lessen the chance of someone just copying and pasting their own version of the answers to the questions to increase their chances of becoming a mod) isn't exactly the most favorable choice for picking mods, it is a better way then what some people believe with how one of the mods got picked, I have always believed if you have to ask to be a mod, then you really shouldn't be one, because in all likely hood you wont make a good one, would probably be more of a power hungry mod, which no one really likes.
I do however agree, that surely there are/perhaps were better choices for the new moderators, however we are in no position to choose who our new mods should be, especially not in the state we are in at the moment, besides if we got to choose who would be a mod, that would not only be a popularity contest, (which is my least favorite method of choosing new mods) but also could easily be seen as "who will let us run wild the most?" contest. =x Sometimes even the person who you like to be around/posts you like to read the most, are a huge accident waiting to happen, and if you make them a mod and they go nuts, it just makes the mods look worse, which I am sure many of you will say oh, but they already have, which in some ways I DO agree with you all, but meh this is getting old fast.
=x Ah, Mistakes are so easily made. ~ laura resnick
What kind of message are you sending when you insult my intelligence? ~ Me ~ 5/29/2015 (Yes it is possible someone said this before just no idea who/where.)0 -
Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »Airyll, while just about everything you said is what I think a moderator should be, I can't help but wonder if the forum mods did try to pick the best people for the job. Though the mods they chose have made some... questionable choices since they were sworn in, but with what they were given I have to say they are doing a pretty decent job with trying to keep us in line, or at least was, but I guess not now since a thread was left alone for so long, which gives further proof of what has been said about the mods as of late, which is just really bad for them, and as a side effect us. ;/
As for selecting mods by a "questioner" survey (private answers of course, to lessen the chance of someone just copying and pasting their own version of the answers to the questions to increase their chances of becoming a mod) isn't exactly the most favorable choice for picking mods, it is a better way then what some people believe with how one of the mods got picked, I have always believed if you have to ask to be a mod, then you really shouldn't be one, because in all likely hood you wont make a good one, would probably be more of a power hungry mod, which no one really likes.
I do however agree, that surely there are/perhaps were better choices for the new moderators, however we are in no position to choose who our new mods should be, especially not in the state we are in at the moment, besides if we got to choose who would be a mod, that would not only be a popularity contest, (which is my least favorite method of choosing new mods) but also could easily be seen as "who will let us run wild the most?" contest. =x Sometimes even the person who you like to be around/posts you like to read the most, are a huge accident waiting to happen, and if you make them a mod and they go nuts, it just makes the mods look worse, which I am sure many of you will say oh, but they already have, which in some ways I DO agree with you all, but meh this is getting old fast. =x
Please understand.
There is a huge huge huge huge huge huge HUGE difference in people applying to be a moderator when an official application is allowed to be made compared to people coming out of the blue and asking.
Never - never ever - make the mistake of thinking the two are the same.
Applications are just that, applications. When they are asked for officially they should be done in a professional manner and are dealt with in private. Asking to be a mod when no administrator has said they are taking open applications is not a good thing.
I have heard that Grim asked for his moderator position. I have heard that he PM'd Frankie asking if there was a moderator slot left. Had I been Frankie? I'd never have even considered it. People who ask when there are no applications being accepted are not trust worthy and should not be trusted. As was proven very true in this instance, wasn't it?
Think of it as applying for a job, because that's exactly what it is. I have already stated I do not like dealing with and appointing staff on such a formal basis, but sometimes it is necessary for the transparency of the process. I'll say it again: it is not the perfect way to pick moderators and is my less preferred method of choice.
If you really want it simplified, here:
Somebody walks into a bank and asks if he can work there. The bank is not accepting official applications for the job. They are going to turn him down unless he can pull out some damn amazing credentials, and credentials he can prove to be true at that.
In contrast.
A bank has a spot open. They allow people to send in official applications along with resumes and the like, and they use these to first decide who the potential candidates for the job are.
Do you see the difference? Asking is not okay. Applying when you have been told you can officially apply is fine.
Also, I never said we should choose our moderators. Why did you even bring that up? It had nearly no relevance at all to my suggestion. In the process of an application, the community does not
a) see who applies
b) see what they write
c) see who gets picked out of those applications
I never ever said the community should pick their moderators. And on that note, the application process does not in any way involve the community picking their moderators. It is still Frankie making the decision.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I know there is. =x As I tried pointing out in my second to last paragraph, choosing by a 'survey' is a better way then letting those who asked to be a mod, be one.Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »Please understand.
There is a huge huge huge huge huge huge HUGE difference in people applying to be a moderator when an official application is allowed to be made compared to people coming out of the blue and asking.
Never - never ever - make the mistake of thinking the two are the same.
Applications are just that, applications. When they are asked for officially they should be done in a professional manner and are dealt with in private. Asking to be a mod when no administrator has said they are taking open applications is not a good thing.
I have heard that Grim asked for his moderator position. I have heard that he PM'd Frankie asking if there was a moderator slot left. Had I been Frankie? I'd never have even considered it. People who ask when there are no applications being accepted are not trust worthy and should not be trusted. As was proven very true in this instance, wasn't it?
Think of it as applying for a job, because that's exactly what it is. I have already stated I do not like dealing with and appointing staff on such a formal basis, but sometimes it is necessary for the transparency of the process. I'll say it again: it is not the perfect way to pick moderators and is my less preferred method of choice.
If you really want it simplified, here:
Somebody walks into a bank and asks if he can work there. The bank is not accepting official applications for the job. They are going to turn him down unless he can pull out some damn amazing credentials, and credentials he can prove to be true at that.
In contrast.
A bank has a spot open. They allow people to send in official applications along with resumes and the like, and they use these to first decide who the potential candidates for the job are.
Do you see the difference? Asking is not okay. Applying when you have been told you can officially apply is fine.
"As for selecting mods by a "questioner" survey (private answers of course, to lessen the chance of someone just copying and pasting their own version of the answers to the questions to increase their chances of becoming a mod) isn't exactly the most favorable choice for picking mods, it is a better way then what some people believe with how one of the mods got picked, I have always believed if you have to ask to be a mod, then you really shouldn't be one, because in all likely hood you wont make a good one, would probably be more of a power hungry mod, which no one really likes."
The color is basically what you said in the rest of your post. At least in my eyes it is. 
EDIT: Yea your right the part about choosing our mods here really had no relevence here, you can just disregard that, wasn't really meant for you, airyll. Ah, Mistakes are so easily made. ~ laura resnick
What kind of message are you sending when you insult my intelligence? ~ Me ~ 5/29/2015 (Yes it is possible someone said this before just no idea who/where.)0 -
Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »I know there is. =x As I tried pointing out in my second to last paragraph, choosing by a 'survey' is a better way then letting those who asked to be a mod, be one.
"As for selecting mods by a "questioner" survey (private answers of course, to lessen the chance of someone just copying and pasting their own version of the answers to the questions to increase their chances of becoming a mod) isn't exactly the most favorable choice for picking mods, it is a better way then what some people believe with how one of the mods got picked, I have always believed if you have to ask to be a mod, then you really shouldn't be one, because in all likely hood you wont make a good one, would probably be more of a power hungry mod, which no one really likes."
The color is basically what you said in the rest of your post. At least in my eyes it is.
Aha, I see then. Apologies for the misinterpretation.
(Although I still feel better for clearing that up again, if you will. Hopefully less room for further misinterpretation, albeit on the part of other people. )
Still, I do thank you for your comment. You did raise the important point about the community not picking it's moderators, something I missed, and it's an important point to be raised and clarified.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »Aha, I see then. Apologies for the misinterpretation.
(Although I still feel better for clearing that up again, if you will. Hopefully less room for further misinterpretation, albeit on the part of other people. )
Still, I do thank you for your comment. You did raise the important point about the community not picking it's moderators, something I missed, and it's an important point to be raised and clarified. My apologies for doing it in a round about way, that just confused the hell out of you. ;/ 
^^ I really do hope that something changes and for the better, soon.Ah, Mistakes are so easily made. ~ laura resnick
What kind of message are you sending when you insult my intelligence? ~ Me ~ 5/29/2015 (Yes it is possible someone said this before just no idea who/where.)0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
If you cannot participate on the forums as a normal forum member, and if you cannot see a situation from a member's view point, you cannot be good staff.
THIS. It may come as a surprise, but i actually very much agree with your post. Of all the criticism leveled at the mods by many people, this is something that has been often missed. If the mods are not a real part of the comunity they become a gestapo of sorts. Many people mistake the job of forum mods as policing threads but it really is much more than that. Hammy was a good example of an unoficial mod as he often used his antics to defuse volatile situations and to improve the general enviroment. Spoons greatest virtue, whatever his flaws, is that he did in fact become a part of the comunity.
These new mods don't apear to share in our collective griefs and joys, and that is the biggest obstacle to their adequately performing their job. However i hardly believe there is much we can do about it and like it or not it looks like we'll have to resign ourselves to the new status quo...0 -
chaoticrampage wrote: »
Fixed.
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But really.. Airy at least you have some sort of solution. That's more than some people can say, myself included. I still wish we could have avoided this entire situation in the first place.
o.O Aren't you the pron guy? How are you still here?! (I might be wrong though)
Or maybe a member think they know the problems & would like to try to help? But could be your version as well.I have always believed if you have to ask to be a mod, then you really shouldn't be one, because in all likely hood you wont make a good one, would probably be more of a power hungry mod, which no one really likes."
Never - never ever - make the mistake of thinking the two are the same.There is a huge huge huge huge huge huge HUGE difference in people applying to be a moderator when an official application is allowed to be made compared to people coming out of the blue and asking.
I'm curious how they chose the new mods. Don't remember there being any application or anything about it. o.O Then they just appointed ppl. Random?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »o.O Aren't you the pron guy? How are you still here?! (I might be wrong though)
Or maybe a member think they know the problems & would like to try to help? But could be your version as well.
Never - never ever - make the mistake of thinking the two are the same.
I'm curious how they chose the new mods. Don't remember there being any application or anything about it. o.O Then they just appointed ppl. Random?
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GreatStorm - Sanctuary wrote: »he is the **** guy
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Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »An earlier poster was right, at this point the people who would have made good mods and were a good part of the community have left for logical and obvious reasons.
I think this is a forum on the brink of war, and at the moment there is no "right" way to pick a staff team, only a way to try and find the best suited for the job. For that matter, I would probably have official 'auditions' if you were for, for moderating positions.
People who felt they could adequately moderate would send me an application form, very much like they were applying for a job. It's a terribly formal way of doing things and I don't particularly enjoy doing it if I can avoid it, but more often than not it works. People who aren't dedicated enough to fill out that form would not be dedicated enough to do their job properly. Similar it lets you view who is and who is not suitable for a job without having to glance all over a form to check things.
And given the state of this forum right now, I'd probably have myself do some research into the promising applicants' posts to confirm what they say, simply because I wouldn't dare take any chances and would like to try and make sure I made the best possible choice I could have made at this point in time.
This is a very dire situation, don't get me wrong. There's no easy nor right way to pick moderators at this point with a forum in such chaos. But. That is what I would do if it ws up to me. Airyll you stole my question thingy *runs off with your keyboard* b:laugh
Jokes aside this is ones of the questions I had actually put up in Grippe's thread earlier today (about will there be applications for new forum mods)
This has been done on other more heavily forum based sites and I don't see how it should be any different here. I myself am still too much of a "spring chick" but I've been poking around long enough to know what's been going on.
Side Note: I seriously LOL'd at that. Just like the whole 'Sorry Im gonna let you finish but..." incident, Chaotic will forever be known on the forums as "that **** guy" XDTamias-
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Tamias - Archosaur wrote: » Airyll you stole my question thingy *runs off with your keyboard* b:laugh
Jokes aside this is ones of the questions I had actually put up in Grippe's thread earlier today (about will there be applications for new forum mods) This has been done on other more heavily forum based sites and I don't see how it should be any different here. I myself am still too much of a "spring chick" but I've been poking around long enough to know what's been going on.
Side Note: I seriously LOL'd at that. Just like the whole 'Sorry Im gonna let you finish but..." incident, Chaotic will forever be known on the forums as "that **** guy" XD
haha ^this[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Thankiez to Dorset for the sig!
MagicHamsta will remain in our hearts forever
P.S. I am a female venomancer ^^ I know it's rare, isn't it?0 -
Tamias - Archosaur wrote: » Airyll you stole my question thingy *runs off with your keyboard* b:laugh
Jokes aside this is ones of the questions I had actually put up in Grippe's thread earlier today (about will there be applications for new forum mods) This has been done on other more heavily forum based sites and I don't see how it should be any different here. I myself am still too much of a "spring chick" but I've been poking around long enough to know what's been going on.
Side Note: I seriously LOL'd at that. Just like the whole 'Sorry Im gonna let you finish but..." incident, Chaotic will forever be known on the forums as "that **** guy" XD
I would laugh so damn hard if Frankie actually gave him that title0 -
that would be great b:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Thankiez to Dorset for the sig!
MagicHamsta will remain in our hearts forever
P.S. I am a female venomancer ^^ I know it's rare, isn't it?0 -
Tamias - Archosaur wrote: » Airyll you stole my question thingy *runs off with your keyboard* b:laugh
Jokes aside this is ones of the questions I had actually put up in Grippe's thread earlier today (about will there be applications for new forum mods) This has been done on other more heavily forum based sites and I don't see how it should be any different here. I myself am still too much of a "spring chick" but I've been poking around long enough to know what's been going on.
Side Note: I seriously LOL'd at that. Just like the whole 'Sorry Im gonna let you finish but..." incident, Chaotic will forever be known on the forums as "that **** guy" XD
^^this x10, epic epic thread, too bed it got deleted and not censored and depth'd, would be great to look back on later and laugh.0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »There are problems with our staff team. This much has been recognised by a number of people. Too inexperienced on these particular forums and whatever else may have you. I'm going to address these and explain what I feel a staff member should have.
Before people wish to judge me unqualified, I will state here that I am head administrator of two forums (meaning I run the boards and am in charge of the complete staff team.
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I am an Administrator of one of the oldest fansites on the Net about another game been so for 5 years now.I would of set bans a long before especially to one who **** into my board account not game which I had to reset my PW to.It is one in your sigs and abuse to towards any staff is bannable on all boards.
I would say that from what I have read so far Frankie has handled this well.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »I am an Administrator of one of the oldest fansites on the Net about another game been so for 5 years now.I would of set bans a long before especially to one who **** into my board account not game which I had to reset my PW to.It is one in your sigs and abuse to towards any staff is bannable on all boards.
I would say that from what I have read so far Frankie has handled this well.
...and you type like this? b:shutup0 -
Tamias - Archosaur wrote: »Chaotic will forever be known on the forums as "that **** guy" XD
Did I win the forums? b:laugh0 -
Guys, keep this on topic please. If you want to brag about being the **** guy or joke about it, keep it to another thread. I'd like for this one to be taken relatively seriously, please. =|[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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