Rage ??

I_skateboard - Harshlands
I_skateboard - Harshlands Posts: 156 Arc User
edited October 2010 in Assassin
What does rage do for assassin's
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    I_skateboard - Harshlands wrote: »
    What does rage do for assassin's

    It's critical hits.

    Wolf Emblem makes your critical hits do more damage than usual, whereas Power Dash increases your critical hit rate.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Rage damage at 200% means you hit 200% of normal damage when you crit. Add WE to that and it becomes 230% so when you crit, you'll hit 230% of your normal damage.
  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    I_skateboard - Harshlands wrote: »
    What does rage do for assassin's

    it makes them angry
  • LeiMai - Raging Tide
    LeiMai - Raging Tide Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Is there any way to boost your rage % in a semi-permanent fashion with gear or something? Or just buffs temporarily?
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    people are confused because there are 2 different things in all games

    critical hit rate (critical hit in display window) = your chance to crit. if your crit rate is 25% then 1 out of 4 hits is a critical

    critical damage (rage in display window) = its how much damage you do if you crit. if your have 200% rage then just multiply your regular hits by 2. if you have 230% rage damage then multiply your regular hits with 2.3. that much damage you do if you crit.
    LeiMai - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Is there any way to boost your rage % in a semi-permanent fashion with gear or something? Or just buffs temporarily?
    with just buff. i think sage sin get permanent 220% since buff last like 30 minutes
  • LeiMai - Raging Tide
    LeiMai - Raging Tide Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    thanks, thats what I thought but I wanted to check.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    with just buff. i think sage sin get permanent 220% since buff last like 30 minutes

    Indeed, Sage Wolf Emblem gives +20% Rage Damage for 30 minutes.

    Regular Wolf Emblem gives +30%, lasts 30 seconds and has a 1 minute cooldown, so it's more like a permanent +15%.

    Demon Wolf Emblem gives +40%, lasts 30 seconds and has a 1 minute cooldown, so it's more like a permanent +20%, just like Sage Wolf Emblem. Except that you don't need to rebuff the Sage version every minute.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Indeed, Sage Wolf Emblem gives +20% Rage Damage for 30 minutes.

    Regular Wolf Emblem gives +30%, lasts 30 seconds and has a 1 minute cooldown, so it's more like a permanent +15%.

    Demon Wolf Emblem gives +40%, lasts 30 seconds and has a 1 minute cooldown, so it's more like a permanent +20%, just like Sage Wolf Emblem. Except that you don't need to rebuff the Sage version every minute.

    And demonn is better for burst dmg while sage keeps doing good dmg
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  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I_skateboard - Harshlands wrote: »
    What does rage do for assassin's

    rage is uesless, dont bother getting the buff to increase it, it's not worth getting.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    rage is uesless, dont bother getting the buff to increase it, it's not worth getting.

    Yes, consider how rarely Sins crit, a buff that increase how hard you hit is obviously useless.
  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Yes, consider how rarely Sins crit, a buff that increase how hard you hit is obviously useless.

    unless ur sin has my build, then u crit very often, and its still not worth buffing, doesnt last long, waste of mana, and not worth even clicking to buff with rage increase.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    unless ur sin has my build, then u crit very often, and its still not worth buffing, doesnt last long, waste of mana, and not worth even clicking to buff with rage increase.

    My bad, I didn't realize 40 mana is so expensive to some people. Guess I should get off my high horse.
  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    My bad, I didn't realize 40 mana is so expensive to some people. Guess I should get off my high horse.

    if something isnt worth doing it's not worth doing, regardless of cost, the cost of mana is just a bonus to why u shouldn't do it. 40 mana every 30 seconds for 1 mob, ur choice, i don't care, just have some common sense instead of argueing with me without thinking if im right or wrong, ur just commenting to everything i say to annoy me, that is the only reason u truly commented.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    if something isnt worth doing it's not worth doing, regardless of cost, the cost of mana is just a bonus to why u shouldn't do it. 40 mana every 30 seconds for 1 mob, ur choice, i don't care, just have some common sense instead of argueing with me without thinking if im right or wrong, ur just commenting to everything i say to annoy me, that is the only reason u truly commented.

    Who said anything about mobs? Hmm I can crit him for 2000 or for 2300 for 40 MP. Nahhh f*** it.
  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Who said anything about mobs? Hmm I can crit him for 2000 or for 2300 for 40 MP. Nahhh f*** it.

    300 dmg is nothing. still not worth doing. it's still pointless. it's still not worth the effort of an extra click, everytime.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    300 dmg is nothing. still not worth doing. it's still pointless. it's still not worth the effort of an extra click, everytime.

    1000 damage is just an example. Since my Headhunt usually hits around 3K on AA, it's *only* 6k crit or 6.9k crit. But who am I kidding you obviously know better from 11 days of oracling and hypering a Sin.
  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    1000 damage is just an example. Since my Headhunt usually hits around 3K on AA, it's *only* 6k crit or 6.9k crit. But who am I kidding you obviously know better from 11 days of oracling and hypering a Sin.

    i do know better but i never oracled this sin, i hypered from mobs without taking much damage, i used no potions except about 200-300 life powders from lv 1 lol. life powders are the best.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    i do know better but i never oracled this sin, i hypered from mobs without taking much damage, i used no potions except about 200-300 life powders from lv 1 lol. life powders are the best.

    My bad then, 11 days of hypering*.
  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    My bad then, 11 days of hypering*.

    come to lost city and lets pk, i will show u how pro my build is.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    come to lost city and lets pk, i will show u how pro my build is.

    That's ok, there are plenty of Sins with 2k HP to one shot on HL.
  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    That's ok, there are plenty of Sins with 2k HP to one shot on HL.

    u know to chicken out.
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    u know to chicken out.
    There is no way to transfer you character from server to server. Even if Okeano DID move to your server, he would have to start over. Thus, voiding the whole point of the ordeal.
    Please go grow up and learn about the game before you try sowing how "pro" you are here on the forumsb:bye
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    u know to chicken out.

    There are plenty of LC Sins that will do it for me tho. Enjoy getting 1 hit by everything that movs, you are no longer worth my replies. b:cute
  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    There is no way to transfer you character from server to server. Even if Okeano DID move to your server, he would have to start over. Thus, voiding the whole point of the ordeal.
    Please go grow up and learn about the game before you try sowing how "pro" you are here on the forumsb:bye

    you ignorant troll, jealous of how pro my build is and how fail urs is.
    i know he has to start new char on lost city server, i got this to lv 80 in 11 days its not hard, come make ur build and battle against mine.
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    There are plenty of LC Sins that will do it for me tho. Enjoy getting 1 hit by everything that movs, you are no longer worth my replies. b:cute
    Ditto.
    Taste, we are not impressed.
    Oh and welcome to the forums, it is nothing like the game; we will eat your liver out in seconds flat then teabag your body without any ingame skills.b:bye
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    you ignorant troll, jealous of how pro my build is and how fail urs is.
    i know he has to start new char on lost city server, i got this to lv 80 in 11 days its not hard, come make ur build and battle against mine.
    11 days, eh? You just proved yourself to be an oracle/hyper noob. You are no longer of any interest to any of us sins who gained our levels legitimately and learned how to play our class. Fail more please.
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  • Taste_of_God - Lost City
    Taste_of_God - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ditto.
    Truth, we are not impressed.
    Oh and welcome to the forums, it is nothing like the game; we will eat your liver out in seconds flat then teabag your body without any ingame skills.b:bye


    11 days, eh? You just proved yourself to be an oracle/hyper noob. You are no longer of any interest to any of us sins who gained our levels legitimately and learned how to play our class. Fail more please.

    nah it just shows u have a slower learning capacity, to think u need to play *legitimately* to learn the skills, well have fun with ur handicap lolz.
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Taste_of_God - Lost City wrote: »
    nah it just shows u have a slower learning capacity, to think u need to play *legitimately* to learn the skills, well have fun with ur handicap lolz.
    Have fun failing at real life with all the money you spent to power level.b:bye
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  • /zus - Dreamweaver54
    /zus - Dreamweaver54 Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    200% = x2 normal dmg
  • Hypnos - Raging Tide
    Hypnos - Raging Tide Posts: 1,235 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    lol...I can tell God is a moron b:laugh
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  • Sneakret - Heavens Tear
    Sneakret - Heavens Tear Posts: 618 Arc User
    edited October 2010
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    In the attempt (which will fail) to reason with you.

    Just an example, as it works in marketing everything is done on scale.

    A person that collects pennies for a year, is oft better off not doing so as he is not likely to gain enough to make substantial profit.

    A bank that does so, capitalizes off of millions of pennies a day turning other peoples wasted funds into a gold mine.

    Just the example of scale there.

    For game let's say a normal hit does 4k on a mob, 8k crit, 9.2k with emblem
    now let's say you have 3(rounded for simplicity) attacks per second
    in 10 seconds, there are 9 crits out of 30 attacks
    W/o and using consistent dmg above, that's 84+72= 156k
    Compared to emblem with same : 84+82.8 = 166k

    Now, as this 10k difference is not much, notice how the damage creates a scale slope.
    The more damage you're doing and more oft you crit, the larger the scale gain is.
    In pve grinding, yes, this is a waste because the difference is not high enough.

    In LONG TERM PVE against a boss for example
    If I'm fighting and debuffs are up while I hit with a normal triple spark auto let's say I do roughly 15-18k normal crits, however when I use Emblem, during that debuff time, my hit value rises on crits to 23-27k per.
    Given the descaling of damage on a boss that's quite a lot of damage difference and it becomes larger as it is stacked with more interval where the increased damage adds up over time.

    Brief summary as most people on the forum can't read more than 2 line posts

    PVE grinding = waste
    PVE bossfight/tt mob = Good
    PVP similar to a boss fight = Good

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