Nirvana Transfer Charts

Traz - Dreamweaver

With These Charts:
-Always use the grade of the item you are MAKING
-During first recast it's always 40% (x .4) of the total stones
-During second recast it's always 60% (x .6) of the total stones
-You are not obligated to use any stones (skip that step)
-You can keep partial item attributes (ie: only sockets) just use the correlating chart and ignore the rest of the charts

EXAMPLE:

If someone wanted to upgrade their tt99 axes to G15 axes with 2 sockets, 2 perfect garnets, +5 refine:

FIRST CAST:

2 Sockets = 106 Stones (Based on G13 weapon)
2 garnets = 4 Stones (2 each x 2)
+5 refine = 20 Stones
Total: 130 Stones

YOU NEED:
TT99 Axes
100 Raptures
51 stones (130 stones * .4 [40%])

That gets you a G13 weapon keeping sockets/refine/gems

SECOND CAST:

2 Sockets = 213 Stones (Based on G15 weapon)
2 garnets = 4 Stones (2 each x 2)
+5 refine = 20 Stones
Total: 237 Stones

YOU NEED:
First Cast Weapon
150 Raptures
142 Stones (237 * .6 [60%])

That gets you a G15 weapon keeping sockets/refine/gems

TOTAL

TT99 Weapon
250 Raptures
193 Chienkun Stones

RECASTING

If you wish to recast you will need the following:
Quenched G15 Item (weapon or armor)
7 Raptures (weapon) OR 2 Uncanny (armor)

This can be one as many times as you want till you get the adds or stats you like and REQUIRES NO STONES TO KEEP ANYTHING

Ivy_ - Dreamweaver

I wanna know if there's a such thing too. I have a piece that I want to nirvana and I want to know how many banks I'll need to rob before I can nirvana it with refines/sockets intact.

btw, just kidding about the bank robbery.

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide

It would nice, and yet horrifying at the same time, to see a complete chart on this. Fuzzy suspects sometimes he might regret having refined and sharded before quench. b:shocked

Traz - Dreamweaver

They used to be in this thread: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=6372601#post6372601

They are no longer there does anyone have them saved or seen them somewhere else? b:sad

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

From http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=8067662

Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:chuckleb:thanks I know a lot of you guys start recasting for Niv, and not sure how much u have to spent for your sockets and refines, so i made a list

A Section: weapon/armor

1 socket 2 sockets 3 sockets 4 sockets
Lunar weapon 53 106
TT 99 gold weapon 26 53
TT 100 weapon 53 105

TT99 armor N/A 10 15 53
Lunar N/A 21 31 106


B Section: refine
I will start from +8.. I mean anything under that.. just a waste of money

+8 128
+9 240
+10 297
+11 550
+12 1000


C Section: Gems
I will start from grade 10 anything under.. I wont bother with it

G10 10
G11 40
G12 120
G13 120


ONE IMPORTANT THING, FIRST RECAST USE 0.4 OF TOTAL COST, RECAST 2 USE 1 OF TOTAL COST

Here is few example of how it works

Example 1

Lunar +10 2 sockets with g 12 gems in 1st recast

(A + B + C) x 0.4

(106+297+120x2) x 0.4 = 257.2
And for the 1st time in PWI they actually will round it down to 257 :P OMG OMG how can they not be greedy so not PWE. how I know :P coz that’s my weapon hehehehe, hope I’m not giving them any hints there….


Example 2
TT99 Top 4 sockets +8 with g 10 gems 2nd recast

(53+128+4x10) x 1 = 221

There you have it guys/girls took me a while to write all these up :P hope you guys enjoy this.

Final note, TT100 weapon only need 1 recast.. so it is actually better compare to lunar, plus it comes as 2 socketed.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Good find, but does anyone have the rest of the charts?

Traz - Dreamweaver

*bump* anyone b:sad

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

*bump* anyone b:sad

In case Gyonax still plays/checks the forums, it might work if you PMed him and asked where did he get the charts. It is possible that he reuploaded those from, say, offical CN site.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Why do you need anything else tho? Unless you plan on transferring +1 armor imbued with flawless shards that quote has everything you need for nirvana crafting.

setantasrose

v.v Currently, the PWI Wiki team is trying to get more information on Nirvana. Unfortunately, that would require us getting to endgame level....which considering I'm not a CSer and Sangodoc is hardly online, could take ages and ages and ages.....

I'll ask around in Zulu or Equinox when I log ingame. When I do get the information, I'll post both on here and also update the wiki if I find anything worth sticking up.

If you DO have any OTHER information, pretty please, lemme know. I mean, ANYTHING on Nirvana is both welcomed and requested neither of us have been in the instance in a long, long time. (I haven't been there since I quit my cleric in HT, and I don't think Sango has even been in.)

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide

If those figures are right, that puts Fuzzy at 2387 stones needed so far to quench an me not even complete 1st stage set yet.... b:spit b:embarrass

Borsuc - Raging Tide

That's more than two thousand bucks just for transfer without a Chienkun sale. b:surrender

Gyonax - Heavens Tear

There's something even better than the charts, a simulator! This is only for nirvana transferring.

http://event51.wanmei.com/w2i/201007/stone/index.htm

Some explanation:

There are two parts to this simulator, top and bottom.

Top is for weapon.
Bottom is for armor.

Drop down box #1: stage of casting. 1st, 2nd, 3rd. 3rd of course requires no stones.
Drop down box #2: grade of item. Select the grade of the item you are using to make the nirvana stuff, not the grade of the nirvana stuff. So most would select 12 for tt, 13 for Lunar.
Drop down box #3: number of sockets.
Drop down box #4: grade of gem(s) imbued.
Drop down box #5: refinement.

After you put in all the numbers, it will give you the number of transferring stones needed for the stage you are interested in.

Gyonax - Heavens Tear

Upon closer inspection, the simulator doesn't seem to work properly. b:surrender Sorry.

So here are the charts again:

ARMOR:

Column titles are grade, 1 socket, 2 sockets, 3 sockets, 4 sockets.

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae209/pwishovelandpics/recast4.jpg



WEAPON:

Column titles are grade, 1 socket, 2 socket.

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae209/pwishovelandpics/recast3.jpg




ARMOR and WEAPON - GEM

Column titles ares grade and number of transferring stones needed.

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae209/pwishovelandpics/recast2.jpg




ARMOR and WEAPON - Refinement

Column titles are refining level and number of transferring stones needed.

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae209/pwishovelandpics/recast1.jpg

With these charts, you have to look at the number corresponding to the grade of the weapon you are making, then take the number and multiply by 0.4 for 1st cast, and by 0.6 for 2nd cast.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Thanks Gyonax, this will be helpful for many players.

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide

Since mods are so fond of moving threads around, Fuzzy think maybe they can put this in the crafting section...... BUT if they do, it really really really should be given a sticky.

This is great information that many people ask for.

b:cute

Gyonax - Heavens Tear

Something interesting in the description of the simulator... according to the notes at the bottom of it, when you put in your tt gold stuff and 100 uncannies, you should get a grade 13 nirvana item, and if you put that item in with 150 uncannies, you will get a grade 15 nirvana item. This is obviously not the case here, since we get grade 15 right away with tt100 gold plus 100 uncannies. That explains why the simulator doesn't compute correctly. Maybe the original intention was to only get grade 13 with 100 cannies, and grade 15 only with an additional 150 uncannies.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why do you need anything else tho? Unless you plan on transferring +1 armor imbued with flawless shards that quote has everything you need for nirvana crafting.

A friend told me it's cost 12 gold to keep +5 2 perfect garnets on his TT99 when he bumped them to nirvana. That would be cheaper then refining it to +5 again not to mention getting 2 perfect garnet shards as well. So there is an instance that some people might need the lower data for.

Gyonax - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Something interesting in the description of the simulator... according to the notes at the bottom of it, when you put in your tt gold stuff and 100 uncannies, you should get a grade 13 nirvana item, and if you put that item in with 150 uncannies, you will get a grade 15 nirvana item. This is obviously not the case here, since we get grade 15 right away with tt100 gold plus 100 uncannies. That explains why the simulator doesn't compute correctly. Maybe the original intention was to only get grade 13 with 100 cannies, and grade 15 only with an additional 150 uncannies.

Thanks for the re-posts b:thanks

kenlee

Gyonax - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Something interesting in the description of the simulator... according to the notes at the bottom of it, when you put in your tt gold stuff and 100 uncannies, you should get a grade 13 nirvana item, and if you put that item in with 150 uncannies, you will get a grade 15 nirvana item. This is obviously not the case here, since we get grade 15 right away with tt100 gold plus 100 uncannies. That explains why the simulator doesn't compute correctly. Maybe the original intention was to only get grade 13 with 100 cannies, and grade 15 only with an additional 150 uncannies.

i dont get what do you want to say. right now it is like that, if you put your TT99 armor and 100 uncanny crystals you get nirvana armor with same previous stats but says g15 not g13 now (i remember it was g13) then 150 more uncanny for final product g15 with new stats. what i dont get it is, whats that tt100 armor that need 100 uncanny for final product? there is no such thing as tt100 armor or you mistake this with tt100 weapons that need 230 rapture instead of 250 from tt99?

Traz - Dreamweaver

Bump for people that might be looking for a reference.

Okeano - Harshlands

Bumped and subscribed.

Evga - Sanctuary

i got to say... this charts are wrong >.>

to keep 1 socket from tt99 gold cost me 42 stones then 128 to get to g15... there is no way in hell those charts are right.

DemansPsy - Lost City

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

With These Charts:
-Always use the grade of the item you are MAKING
-During first recast it's always 40% (x .4) of the total stones
-During second recast it's always 60% (x .6) of the total stones
-You are not obligated to use any stones (skip that step)
-You can keep partial item attributes (ie: only sockets) just use the correlating chart and ignore the rest of the charts

EXAMPLE:


FIRST CAST:


SECOND CAST:


TOTAL


RECASTING

ok so translation is its not worth bothering w/ the stones and overall cheaper jsut to manuel refine /shard? (assuming ur not using d orbs to refine and u sell ur previous gear and buy a clean one for less than what u sold refinesd one for)

Susylu - Heavens Tear

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

i got to say... this charts are wrong >.>

to keep 1 socket from tt99 gold cost me 42 stones then 128 to get to g15... there is no way in hell those charts are right.

That's what I was thinking too ...
Forget the exact numbers but pretty sure it wasn't the ones posted.

Okeano - Harshlands

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

i got to say... this charts are wrong >.>

to keep 1 socket from tt99 gold cost me 42 stones then 128 to get to g15... there is no way in hell those charts are right.

What do you mean keep one socket...? You were afraid that your weapon would get 0 socket?

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

What do you mean keep one socket...? You were afraid that your weapon would get 0 socket?

I think she meant 2 sock. I know she has 2 sock g15 weap.

The chart has alot of meaningless data in the context of nirvana since it has numbers for recasting g10 or g11 armor as well g14 weapons.

I made an article in the wiki which tries to simplify looking up transfer costs based in part of the chart.

http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Nirvana_Crafting

I haven't verified the vast majority of the data in there so feel free to make corrections.

Evga - Sanctuary

whoops lol, yup 2 socket and that chart is wrong beyond wrong... pwi wiki is right >.> i can't believe i thought it would cost me less than 100 stone to transfer! hate!

Mendolin - Sanctuary

yup- the charts are wrong... i checked this morning to transfer 2 sockets (quench G15) its 128... and to transfer +10 refine on weapon the first time is 113 stones and the second time 178.

nhake

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

whoops lol, yup 2 socket and that chart is wrong beyond wrong... pwi wiki is right >.> i can't believe i thought it would cost me less than 100 stone to transfer! hate!

106 stones * .4 (40%) = 42 stones keeping 2 sockets first cast

Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »

yup- the charts are wrong... i checked this morning to transfer 2 sockets (quench G15) its 128... and to transfer +10 refine on weapon the first time is 113 stones and the second time 178.

213 stones * .6 = 128 stones keeping 2 sockets for a quenched G15
297 stones * .4 = 119 stones keeping +10 for first cast
297 stones * .6 = 178 stones keeping +10 for quenched G15

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Maybe you two should actually read the first 3 statements under "with these charts." b:bye

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

nhake wrote: »

106 stones * .4 (40%) = 42 stones keeping 2 sockets first cast



213 stones * .6 = 128 stones keeping 2 sockets for a quenched G15
297 stones * .4 = 119 stones keeping +10 for first cast
297 stones * .6 = 178 stones keeping +10 for quenched G15

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Maybe you two should actually read the first 3 statements under "with these charts." b:bye

Really the charts arent very good if you end up having to do math to properly interpret them them.

nhake

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Really the charts arent very good if you end up having to do math to properly interpret them them.

It's not rocket science it's either times your total by .4 or .6 (first cast or second cast) how badly must people have their hand held... o.o

Not only that, in the first 3 sentences of the post it told them that's what they must do, and here they are with multiple posts saying the charts are wrong.

Who knows what other kinds of crazy they are going to come out with regarding these charts so there it is in its raw form. If you can't times a number by .4 or .6 after you total it then maybe they shouldn't be playing this game in the first place...

EDIT:

It's not possible to make a "cheat sheet chart" for refinement and gems because they can be used in both recasts thus there is no set amount you must times them by like armor and weapons. Thus, you would have to make 2 separate charts for each which gives people even more chance to make a mistake reading the wrong chart. Now to figure your total out you have to total the gems and refinement and times it out by .4 or .6, THEN add your armor or weapon sockets to it on top of everything else... yeah it's easier to total it all up with one set of charts and times it by the .4 or .6. I find it easier to do it that way, and if the easy way is being messed up by people above lord help us when you have two of the same charts, adding those, and multiplying all in one. b:shutup