Stacking Bounty Hunter

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Case #1: Facedesking because someone is asking us to do BH39 at least two times over because they need Trioc to get the next BH.

Case #2: Facepalming because someone is asking us to walk all over BH51 because some noobs don't know how to stack BHs and need to kill Wyvern.

Case #3: Running all over BH69 because some ****** wants to do Polearm or Gaurnob first.

It's all well and cool, except that some of us would like to not waste time uselessly running around because some of you aren't willing to stack your darn BHs.

Yes, you lose a few BHs worth of experience the first time you do it. Big damn deal, it's at most two days' worth of exp lost. Especially annoying if done on the lower levels, where losing a few BHs isn't going to change anything.

Heck, even right now I'm in such a fail BH, running to Wyvern to kill before touching Fushma or Rankar because of the order. And unfortunately I have no choice on the matter, because if I want to get the BH done in the first place, I've got to take what's given.

I also don't have the luxury of having someone solo my BHs for me.

So yeah, I doubt I am the only one.

And btw, me's QQing.

Sabatier - Raging Tide

it's valid QQ though, stacking your BHs is common sense, once you manage to get them stacked (by missing a couple of BH2 and BH3) it saves a fortune in TP stone costs.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Sabatier - Raging Tide wrote: »

it's valid QQ though, stacking your BHs is common sense, once you manage to get them stacked (by missing a couple of BH2 and BH3) it saves a fortune in TP stone costs.

Well, not only that, but you can stack it starting from Qingzi, which is bloody easy. It'll only start getting tangled in the 60s onwards when you get the first boss from the next BH. But it's still easy.

It's already horrible enough to watch the fail players, but then to have them actually wasting everyone else's time as well.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Who says you have to do them though no one forces you to do them after the first one you can always leave.I don't see you getting any those except 69 at your lvl.

I won't help on 51 because they want BB on Wyvern and I refuse to.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Sabatier - Raging Tide wrote: »

it's valid QQ though, stacking your BHs is common sense, once you manage to get them stacked (by missing a couple of BH2 and BH3) it saves a fortune in TP stone costs.

I understand the frustration as well... very annoying waiting for people to get back from turning in the previous bh's... I don't have all day to sit around waiting for them to get back to do the next boss, I do have other characters I would like to 'explore.'

Not to mention the annoyance of having to reset the instance in 59, which is perhaps the single most annoying bh to do now after the update... 39 doesn't seem to be so annoying... I always seem to have high levels helping even in random squad from wc/the HH. =x lol... not to mention a lot of mobs in the 39 are avoidable... to some extent.

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So yes... if everyone started stacking their bhs, it sure would make just about everyone's lives a bit less stressful; however, I am sure there will still be clueless people who will still be teleporting back and forth after every boss, I just don't bother to explain how to stack bh's... that can almost be as annoying as waiting for people to get back sometimes. =x

Olbaze - Sanctuary

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who says you have to do them though no one forces you to do them after the first one you can always leave.I don't see you getting any those except 69 at your lvl.

Well, I'm currently in a failed BH. It failed because our squad got killed by walkers that respawned because people wanted to do Myriadtail Wyvern first because apparently it's the 1st BH of the day.

And as I said, the problem is that there are hardly BH51 squads to begin with, so I have to take what I get. And I'm not blessed with willing and able people to solo my BHs for me.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I understand the frustration as well... very annoying waiting for people to get back from turning in the previous bh's... I don't have all day to sit around waiting for them to get back to do the next boss, I do have other characters I would like to 'explore.'

Personally, I always make sure to have enough coins to use the Illusion stone to return.

Not to mention the annoyance of having to reset the instance in 59, which is perhaps the single most annoying bh to do now after the update... 39 doesn't seem to be so annoying... I always seem to have high levels helping even in random squad from wc/the HH. =x lol... not to mention a lot of mobs in the 39 are avoidable... to some extent.

Yeah, somehow, until now, I've almost always had some high level in the squad, whether it's someone able to solo it or just being better than the rest. Not today, though.

And oh dear, wonder how well I'll be able to handle BH59.

I was already glad enough to be doing BH51s on my Archer when they were first introduced and I was originally glad for being in my 80s when they revamped it. And now that I made a sin, I'll have to QQ at all the fail the revamps have caused.

And btw, my other character is Olba, a lvl 92 Archer on Sanctuary.

Silest - Sanctuary

Eh I don't know how to stack well.. sometimes 1 or 2, but never all 3. Sometimes I have just one, I do it, and I just stay in and wait for the others.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Heck, even right now I'm in such a fail BH, running to Wyvern to kill before touching Fushma or Rankar because of the order. And unfortunately I have no choice on the matter, because if I want to get the BH done in the first place, I've got to take what's given.

You have no idea how many times I've had to do that. and this was me helping a FRIEND who stacks her bhs through 51. But someone that doesn't stack always ends up NOT needing fus first, which you know is a big problem if rankar is first or second. SOMEBODY is gonna aggro fus(if I'm not paying attention to the map) and then we'll have a slaughter.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

I don't think it should be possible to stack them in the first place. I want the next update to remove the ability to have more than one BH 1, 2 or 3 in your quest log at the same time.

tweakz

People should refuse to cater to non stackers. It's been how long, and we still tolerate their neediness? I lose EXP, and time because of these ignorant jerks in RB BH. They've even caused fails because we couldn't get back in. I'll probably start refusing to leave and solo the boss if they do.

_Goddess___ - Heavens Tear

coming from a lower level i didnt even know you could stack them. I am sure alot of players my level or lower dont know that either. Perhaps try telling them instead of coming here whinning about what the lowers are doing.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »

Eh I don't know how to stack well.. sometimes 1 or 2, but never all 3. Sometimes I have just one, I do it, and I just stay in and wait for the others.

Day 1: Pick Bh1, complete it. Don't deliver it.
Day 2: Deliver Bh1, pick Bh1 and Bh2. Complete them but don't deliver.
Day 3: Deliver Bh1 and Bh2, pick Bh1, Bh2, Bh3. Complete them but don't deliver.
Day 4: Deliver all 3, pick new 3. Complete, but don't deliver.
Day 5+: Repeat Day 4.

That works. It only gets messed up with one of the three is from the higher set of Bh and you don't get it done.

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't think it should be possible to stack them in the first place. I want the next update to remove the ability to have more than one BH 1, 2 or 3 in your quest log at the same time.

The days of only 1 BH a day were nice. Though, there was that bug that allowed you to pick it up twice sometimes. That got people greedy, which was speculated to be the reason for the BH revamp. The revamp would've been nice if all the bosses had remained in the same dungeon and in a descending order. But instead of doing that, they made the order random and added in 1 boss from another FB.

Personally, I'd just prefer if they just made it so that you had to kill all the bosses in an FB below your own level (either the previous one or the one before that, like it is now) and scaled the exp to match it. That'd eliminate pretty much all the problems: no questions about boss order and no porting out. It'd also make FBs more available, as you could pick a lowbie to do their FB on your BH.

coming from a lower level i didnt even know you could stack them. I am sure alot of players my level or lower dont know that either. Perhaps try telling them instead of coming here whinning about what the lowers are doing.

Trust me, I've tried that a few times. And really, it's not working out too well. Apparently the loss of less than 3 days' of BH is too much.

Heck, the BH51s are so annoying I'd consider oracling to 70 if I had more coin.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

They should just go back to one BH a day, without the bug of the extra BH available immediately after server reset.

Although I suppose that would really mess up BH100s because of how they made the rewards work. Not sure how it worked in the past.

EbonyBlood - Heavens Tear

Where to begin? BH51 is so easy a caveman could do it. As the tank, I don't have a problem finding a BH51 squad. And, as I don't stack, I get the needless quests out of my log without having to puke every time I open it. BH59 can be annoying, as you can have to reopen it, but that gives you more time to get those wonderful Darkness stamps. Suck it up. You need the rep. Past 59, you will end up wining it anyway. So. Then, I can understand having to stack. There's nothing to be gained from wining and running twice.

Simply put, stacking is a choice that isn't a necessity and shouldn't be an enforced norm. Much like Hypers in FF and helping out noobs, everyone can do it, but not everyone will do it.

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

If I'm making the squad, I refuse to take anyone who doesn't stack. even if they're a barb.

Yaxana - Sanctuary

Stacking BHs is the best way to do it. You spend less cash ( if you do it wined ), and you don't waste so much time in doing an instances more than once. Right now I have 4 stacked since like a few months ago. xD

Olbaze - Sanctuary

EbonyBlood - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Where to begin? BH51 is so easy a caveman could do it. As the tank, I don't have a problem finding a BH51 squad.

Easy? Yes. But that doesn't matter when the availability is extremely low. And even if you do get the squad, nothing guarantees that there won't be fail members in it. Just as I explained we wiped because people were not stacking and got killed by walkers, followed by our cleric rage quitting.

And, as I don't stack, I get the needless quests out of my log without having to puke every time I open it.

Most of the quests past 60 aren't even worth doing. The exp:time ratio is totally screwed and it just keeps getting worse.

BH59 can be annoying, as you can have to reopen it, but that gives you more time to get those wonderful Darkness stamps. Suck it up. You need the rep.

I doubt that. Because either you don't need the rank gear or you're buying your reputation. And the stamps aren't exactly frequent, maybe 1-3 per run, distributed across 5-6 people.

Stacking or not is less of an issue on the higher levels, when everything happens faster and people know better. I've never had anyone die to respawned mobs before in a BH and I've been doing them since they were implemented, today was the first time to see that.

Cocobelle - Sanctuary

I love stacking BHs except for one BH which is BH59. If I'm able to solo the BH myself without anyone's help, why bother stacking it when I can do it on my own time? Or if I'm with a squad, I'd be the one usually tanking (since there's barely barbs my level on Sanctuary; at least that I've encountered).

Although now, I seriously hate making people wait and waiting for people. b:surrender

Xarathox - Dreamweaver

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Although I suppose that would really mess up BH100s because of how they made the rewards work.

Pretty much this. We get semi-useful items from BH1, but no exp. 's not until we complete BH2 do we get to choose between Rep/SP/Exp.

Personally, I love BH100s. The subs I get I use to farm TT for free. The chips I get I use to make Dice Tickets and do Cube for free. The Mirages I get I can sell to catshops for more than NPC price, or if I hoard them, I can potentially refine something for free.

Not to mention the lack of wine fee most of the time, since it's not often we get either FB99s as a BH. Unlike pre-BH100, where you'd have to shell out 80k+ for wine fees a day if you got stuck with 2 different bosses in 2 different FBs.

By the time I was 97, I practically stopped even picking up BHs. There was no variety and it became monotonous and needlessly time consuming. At the very least, even if someone hates doing them, BH100 pays back more than what you spend on a run. So as far as I'm concerned, it's so worth it now.


So...I guess the moral of the story is, get to 100 kids. BH is fun again at this level. b:laugh

Alarith - Sanctuary

Goes both ways.

Leveling up my newbie archer, I pretty much soloed every bh in under 30 minutes. I even went as far as to waste money on world chats in order to help newbies. I mean if I'm pretty much soloing the entire place I expect it to be run with my rules. Not like anyone is forced to stay if they don't like it.

Last week or so I picked up some people for bh51, clearly saying I was doing Wyvern first since that was the first bh that day. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to avoid Fushy and Rank. And by the time my archer (and whoever else didn't stack) would turn the quest in and stone back I would be waiting at the entrance with the next boss.

Which reminds me, I had the pleasure of squadding a barb once who was delighted about having a level 100 steamroll his bh. He sung praises my way but mentioned he didn't need Wyvern. At Fushys pillar I told the squad to wait a second while I go and kill the guard. He was prancing around aggroing everything "because he could" knowing he had a level 100 hundred cleric covering his ****. I told the squad not to aggro the bosses because I had no intention of clearing the instance twice. Sure enough, the barb ran into Fushma and started attacking and crying for heals and "we had to kill him anyway". I told him he can either run, or simply die and get ressed because I had no intention of healing him or killing the boss until my archer needed it. He called me some charming names, left squad, and died trying to run back to the entrance. Then spent the next 10 minutes calling me some more charming names until I got bored of his exhaustive vocabulary and decided to blacklist him.

That aside though, most people I squaded were pretty nice and thankful for a fast, smooth run, even with the horrible, dreaded wait of having to wait a grand total of 5 minutes for me to teleport to arch and stone back in the bh.

So while you may be QQing about having to wait for me to turn my bh in, I have the right to QQ about you refusing to wait and denying me the chance to get a HUGE chuck of experience, relative to level of course. I'm paying for the wine, I deserve the chance to get the most of it.

If you want a stacked run, that's fine. Get a squad full of people who think the same way and stack their bhs. Problem solved.
Some of us however don't mind spending the extra 20k and getting an extra 200k xp for it in 5 mins, and you have absolutely no right to bish about because its inconvenient for you.

Alarith - Sanctuary

Bleh just noticed I'm logged on my Veno from doing the anni thingy. The above was from my clerics perspective xd.

SugarPrinces - Sanctuary

i'm finding it a bish to stack my BH's now so i gave up, one day will be pyro first, the next will be drake first, and the remaining parts of the chains are all different bosses makin it impossible to maintain a stacked set of bosses for a full 3-boss run as most of the squads i get into only need one of the bosses i have on the list and 2 i dont and i feel like a ***** if i dont help with the other 2 despite not needing them (i usually stick around in the squad and help out tho unless i have to go somewhere and time is kinda short).. so i usually just pick up 2 bh1's and stack just those then whatever squad i get into i'll let them know i'll need to port out after each boss and stone back in.. tho most squads i get into tend to reset/resquad after each boss in 59 anyways and dont usually mind waitin so long as i'm not takin forever to get back, and i will then just follow that chain till complete and start the process over the next day, leaving a single BH1 in my list from the previous day unless i get in on a FB run with all bosses then i'll cash it all in and start from scratch. I can see why to stack in 39 and 51 tho, most especially 39 where you gotta kill one boss to get to the last boss anyways seems kinda stupid to have to resquad and reset to continue the bh. 51 isnt soo bad when you get stuck with wyv first, so long as some fail doesnt go and aggro the other two bosses when you're trying to skip past them.

Augie - Heavens Tear

I agree, you need to stack your BHs before going on runs. Sure you will lose some BHs but h***, you will make your life a lot simpler. It also dosen't matter what order you do the bosses in just as long as you get them done, people always complain about the order in witch they get them done... It dosen't matter!!

Roin - Harshlands

Its king of a waste of exp stacking bh's i took me 3 days to go from 50-60 on my archer from daily and a few quests took me another 2 hours to make 61 i dont see the point of wasting 25% of my exp stacking a bh when i can just spend another 5 min or so to do it all 5 days of pq and bh can make you go from 60-70 easy so its just a waste of time


and how do you squad wipe from the patrolls my lvl 61 archer can solo them easy and he only has 3.1k hp so far b:chuckle

Silest - Sanctuary

Augie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I agree, you need to stack your BHs before going on runs. Sure you will lose some BHs but h***, you will make your life a lot simpler. It also dosen't matter what order you do the bosses in just as long as you get them done, people always complain about the order in witch they get them done... It dosen't matter!!

Well, it matters when few of them aren't stacked. That's what this thread is all about -.-.

Stackers don't need to instance reset.. Nonstackers do/need it done, and thus they prefer no reseting and just forgo doing the bosses they don't need yet and turn in to get that boss.

Irritating.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Augie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I agree, you need to stack your BHs before going on runs. Sure you will lose some BHs but h***, you will make your life a lot simpler. It also dosen't matter what order you do the bosses in just as long as you get them done, people always complain about the order in witch they get them done... It dosen't matter!!

The order does matter, especially in the larger BHs.

In Bh51, if you do Wyvern first, you have to run to the end, then back to Rankar and then potentially wait for someone who decides to fly to Archo and back on their 0.5 m/s aero. There's also Bh39, in which you need to do Calcid to get to Trioc, but some insist on doing Trioc first, then Calcid, which means you HAVE to reset the instance, which means killing EVERYTHING up to Calcid twice.

I don't really care if you go out and deliver, as long as you do it fast and, in the case that you run into mobs, can kill them on your own.

Eoria - Harshlands

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

There's also Bh39, in which you need to do Calcid to get to Trioc, but some insist on doing Trioc first, then Calcid, which means you HAVE to reset the instance, which means killing EVERYTHING up to Calcid twice.

Hint: Kill the mobs in front of the door. It opens without having to kill Calcid.

VerenKaunis - Dreamweaver

Alarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

That aside though, most people I squaded were pretty nice and thankful for a fast, smooth run, even with the horrible, dreaded wait of having to wait a grand total of 5 minutes for me to teleport to arch and stone back in the bh.

A bit of a problem with what you're saying though. As you said, you steamrolled the entire thing on your cleric so it went much faster and anyone who complains about having to wait a little is just being a whiny *****.

There's also the fact that you teled to arch then stoned back into the instance. I've had people who fly to arch, pick up the next BH, and then fly back. I personally don't care whether or not someone stacks their BH but if they don't then they'd better damn well tele back.

sangodoc

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

The order does matter, especially in the larger BHs.

You missed his point. He was saying that the order doesn't matter if you stack your BHs. If you have BH I - Wyvern, BH II - Rankar, and BH III - Fushma, you can kill those bosses in any order if you have all three of those BHs stacked.

Order only matters if you don't stack your BHs, which is why it's lazy and counterproductive to not stack your BHs.