Barrage of Arrows

Zemmos - Sanctuary
Zemmos - Sanctuary Posts: 12 Arc User
edited September 2010 in Archer
Hey everybody.

I have a question regarding Barrage of Arrows. I know, almost everbody is using the skill for zhenning with charms.

But im not that rich b:sad so my question is: Is it worth it to get Barrage of Arrows, even though i dont have MP charms. Or should i just stick with the skills i have already and level those up?

Zemb:victory
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  • GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver
    GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,695 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    You can always use pots, so why not ?
  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Well, if you ever plan to RB or Frost, you'll want it.
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Ask yourself this:

    Do you TW
    Do you do rebirth squads?
    Do you FC?

    if the answer is yes to any of those questions, you should probably level BoA up, even if it's just a few levels. MP charm isn't necessary, I prefer to use token MP pots.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    At level 75 you can use very cheap mp pots which keep even a maxed level barrage up with no problem.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    In addition to what everyone else said:

    Yeah just get it up a few levels, but only when you can. You won't be doing FF until 85ish, most likely, so that gives you time to max out a few more essential, and cheaper, PVE skills (frost arrow, stun arrow, aim low, take aim among them). Sharptooth Arrow deserves special mention for being in the same category as Barrage; it's not necessary to level it when you first get it, but you'd better max it eventually.

    My advice would be to save up some coin to max it out... put it in your bank, if necessary, so you know it's separate. I didn't do that... my Barrage is currently Lv5, but only because one very odd friend of mine (who happens to be quite rich in coin) noticed my pitiful barrage level and gave me several mil to buff my skills to help him with TT runs (Barrage was Lv2 at the time... I also managed to max out my STA, from Lv6).
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  • carnagefreshh
    carnagefreshh Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    t level 75 that recovers alot of MP in a short amount of time, and it has a quick cool down time. To get it you only need 3 tokens and you'll get 50... be careful cause you can go through them pretty fast xD
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    The token pots are more than enough to cover even demon BoA.
  • Remedey - Heavens Tear
    Remedey - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    just get it :D
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  • Moranine - Lost City
    Moranine - Lost City Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Zemmos - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Hey everybody.

    I have a question regarding Barrage of Arrows. I know, almost everbody is using the skill for zhenning with charms.

    But im not that rich b:sad so my question is: Is it worth it to get Barrage of Arrows, even though i dont have MP charms. Or should i just stick with the skills i have already and level those up?

    Zemb:victory
    Don't get this. When you open Barrage of Arrows in TW your instantly gonna be focus'd out by the opposition. Better to not level it.
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  • Mirko - Raging Tide
    Mirko - Raging Tide Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Moranine - Lost City wrote: »
    Don't get this. When you open Barrage of Arrows in TW your instantly gonna be focus'd out by the opposition. Better to not level it.

    you have casting-two until they notice you.. another one-two until someone gets on your back.. then you take ironguard and have 3-4 castings, then AD for casting-two more.. or expel for 3-4 more castings in case you only have phy classes on your back (archers, bms, barbs, sins).. and if your faction is any good and cover you, you can have few more castings before you die..

    so.. you can have 6-12 castings without much problems.. and if you position your character on good spot.. +fine refined HS..

    i think that kind of dmg is almost impossible for any other class in TW..
  • Bollocks - Raging Tide
    Bollocks - Raging Tide Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mirko loves my BB and Absolute Domain in TW b:dirty
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mirko - Raging Tide wrote: »
    you have casting-two until they notice you.. another one-two until someone gets on your back.. then you take ironguard and have 3-4 castings, then AD for casting-two more.. or expel for 3-4 more castings in case you only have phy classes on your back (archers, bms, barbs, sins).. and if your faction is any good and cover you, you can have few more castings before you die..

    so.. you can have 6-12 castings without much problems.. and if you position your character on good spot.. +fine refined HS..

    i think that kind of dmg is almost impossible for any other class in TW..


    Wizards ulti do far more dmg in TW than archers. You do 5k they do 50k lol. Its only the fact that Barrage is a is continuous skill that makes it somewhat of a killer.

    Over 6 castings with Barrage is very hard unless you have a stationary target, like tower, to open on.

    Even if you can WoG- immune pot 12 sec - open barrage - than Domain when it runs out, you normally have a problem with the target. Either it dies or in most cases it moves out of range and zhen closes. No one stands in the middle of raining arrows like a moron and tanks it unless they're chain stunned. When you immune/frenzy/Barrage even semi-experienced players knows what those icons above you're head means lol. And if they dont know, someone will 100% sure shout it in vent. It means GTFO that guys damage range fast.

    On average i get like 4-5 channeling of arrows in TW unless i can find a really dumb Barb/BM to open on, he must suffer from god complex, have over 20k hp and ignore the fact that everyone around him is dying from Barrage. But those guys are sadly rare.
  • Mirko - Raging Tide
    Mirko - Raging Tide Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    Wizards ulti do far more dmg in TW than archers. You do 5k they do 50k lol. Its only the fact that Barrage is a is continuous skill that makes it somewhat of a killer.

    Over 6 castings with Barrage is very hard unless you have a stationary target, like tower, to open on.

    Even if you can WoG- immune pot 12 sec - open barrage - than Domain when it runs out, you normally have a problem with the target. Either it dies or in most cases it moves out of range and zhen closes. No one stands in the middle of raining arrows like a moron and tanks it unless they're chain stunned. When you immune/frenzy/Barrage even semi-experienced players knows what those icons above you're head means lol. And if they dont know, someone will 100% sure shout it in vent. It means GTFO that guys damage range fast.

    On average i get like 4-5 channeling of arrows in TW unless i can find a really dumb Barb/BM to open on, he must suffer from god complex, have over 20k hp and ignore the fact that everyone around him is dying from Barrage. But those guys are sadly rare.

    well, i guess you never played on RT server:D
    you would be amazed to see how easy is to hold barrage open.. even against most powerful factions..
    maybe coz ppl are constantly changing factions.. most of the hi levels are either heavy cs-ers, or inexperienced in tws coz they were in most powerful factions and had only 10min tws (there were few really good 2+h tws, but that isnt enough for any kind of organization).. and its pve server.. so only handful of players know how to encounter enemy..

    i usually open barrage on enemy crystal, on some towers they are defending, or on catas, but i wait until they set their position on our tower or crystal..
    if they are in front of our gate i try to barrage cata staying on the other side of wall.. etc.

    i'm not saying barrage is one and only thing.. it can make a huge difference if used properly but archers have other important jobs in tw besides barraging..

    i guess the main difference between old pvp server and young pve server is skill of players.. so what seems easy on one server can be near impossible on other:)
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    On TW, FoW (wizzy skil) WILL interupt all BoA's even if they are imume to dmg.

    Though most wizzys are to stupid to use it b:surrender
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mirko - Raging Tide wrote: »
    you have casting-two until they notice you.. another one-two until someone gets on your back.. then you take ironguard and have 3-4 castings,

    lol... ironguard during a barrage... very funny indeed.
    Mirko - Raging Tide wrote: »
    you would be amazed to see how easy is to hold barrage open.. even against most powerful factions..
    maybe coz ppl are constantly changing factions.. most of the hi levels are either heavy cs-ers, or inexperienced in tws coz they were in most powerful factions and had only 10min tws

    you mean you with your "lets pop an ironguard while i have my barrage open".
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  • Moranine - Lost City
    Moranine - Lost City Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mirko - Raging Tide wrote: »
    well, i guess you never played on RT server:D
    you would be amazed to see how easy is to hold barrage open.. even against most powerful factions..
    maybe coz ppl are constantly changing factions.. most of the hi levels are either heavy cs-ers, or inexperienced in tws coz they were in most powerful factions and had only 10min tws (there were few really good 2+h tws, but that isnt enough for any kind of organization).. and its pve server.. so only handful of players know how to encounter enemy..

    i usually open barrage on enemy crystal, on some towers they are defending, or on catas, but i wait until they set their position on our tower or crystal..
    if they are in front of our gate i try to barrage cata staying on the other side of wall.. etc.

    i'm not saying barrage is one and only thing.. it can make a huge difference if used properly but archers have other important jobs in tw besides barraging..

    i guess the main difference between old pvp server and young pve server is skill of players.. so what seems easy on one server can be near impossible on other:)
    Obviously your a PvE ***** so your input really means nothing to us PvPers.

    In which case, Ehee can most likely 1 shot me threw immune even tho i have had it up for 7 seconds prior to him killing me.
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  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Moranine - Lost City wrote: »
    Obviously your a PvE ***** so your input really means nothing to us PvPers.

    I love how you always dismiss the opinion of anyone who is on a PvE server.

    Being on a PvP server =/= greater skill or knowledge.

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  • Mekkhala - Lost City
    Mekkhala - Lost City Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    get it. Even if you need to keep it a lvl 1 for a bit, get it.
  • fulgida
    fulgida Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Being on a PvP server =/= greater skill or knowledge.

    b:bye

    That is so very true.

    So, allow me to add some knowledge: you can not use apothecaries of any sort between the time you start barrage and the time when your barrage ends.

    (Edit: Hopefully someone for whom this is new information will also be smart enough to see its relevance in this thread.)
  • Mirko - Raging Tide
    Mirko - Raging Tide Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    lol, i guess internet is serious business b:laugh

    i never said that you take appo while casting, or that barrage cant be interrupted, or that i'm good in pvp.. i dont pk at all:D

    all i was trying to say is that you have lots of options and you have to use your imagination to combine those options in something that will give you some advantage..

    but i guess i used too many words b:surrender
  • Russiee - Raging Tide
    Russiee - Raging Tide Posts: 848 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Eh. People on RT suffer from what TigerLily called the "God Complex". You see idiotic BMs with 13k+ HP and Barbs with 25k+HP running around randomly even with barrage on them, yet never running out of range. You see wizards never using FoW to stop barrage, you don't even see BM's stunning. People just try get kills. BM's don't interrupt Wizard Ulti's either. Its like a 4 second cast in which time it should be easy to interrupt.

    Get Barrage but don't level it at a high priority. You'll spam it in TW, you'll definately need it for Frostcovered, Rebirth runs and heck even for 3rd Map grinding.
  • fulgida
    fulgida Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mirko - Raging Tide wrote: »
    i never said that you take appo while casting, ...

    You said:
    Mirko - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Moranine - Lost City wrote: »
    Don't get this. When you open Barrage of Arrows in TW your instantly gonna be focus'd out by the opposition. Better to not level it.

    you have casting-two until they notice you.. another one-two until someone gets on your back.. then you take ironguard and have 3-4 castings, then AD for casting-two more.. or expel for 3-4 more castings in case you only have phy classes on your back (archers, bms, barbs, sins).. and if your faction is any good and cover you, you can have few more castings before you die..

    so.. you can have 6-12 castings without much problems.. and if you position your character on good spot.. +fine refined HS..

    Of course, I do not know what you mean by "casting" here...

    ...but if you meant words in the way most english speakers use them you would have meant that you start a barrage and then after 3 or 4 cycles of barrage you use an ironguard (which is an apothecary item) so that you can keep your barrage up.

    Or maybe your meaning and your words do not get along very well with each other?
  • Allynna_ - Dreamweaver
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    You don't cast Barrage, you Channel it. You can't use apothicary items when Channeling skills (Dragon's Breath, Barrage of Arrows, Heaven's Wrath, or Regenerative Aura). Don't think you can even use apothicary when casting (might be wrong on that point).

    Personally, I find barrage handy in instances in some cases. Not really useful solo, but if you have a group of enemies that need to die, and you got a squad at your back . . .
  • NightRage - Raging Tide
    NightRage - Raging Tide Posts: 1,582 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    I liek my demon barrage, but it eats up mana, so I have to use a MP charm. (Read: I'm too lazy to keep clicking MP pots.)

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