-Channelling gear for certain BM's

kalx
kalx Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2010 in General Discussion
I saw this Axe Blademaster yesterday with soo much -Interval gear, cape, tome, you name it he had it. I asked him does he uses fists? And he replied, no. Then I asked him why doesn't he? Then he told me he just loves his axes and he doesn't care about 5aps.

The point I'm trying to make if you're a pure Axe BM isn't interval gear useless? Because of course you'll very rarely going to a normal attack and even then it's pointless. Wouldn't it be better to get -25% Channelling Gear? Instead?

Makes sense right?

We agreed that such little -channelling on an Axe BM is fail so nothing more to really say on it ;) Same as -interval gear on an Axe BM...
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    makes no sense, right? bm's have skills with 0.2 ~ 0.4 channeling time...
  • kalx
    kalx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    makes no sense, right? bm's have skills with 0.2 ~ 0.4 channeling time...

    I know about that... I know you won't be getting much better channelling times, 0.1 or 0.2 for roar of the tiger. But it's better for an axe BM to have some channelling rather than interval gear...

    I'm bored and half asleep I don't know what I'm saying b:surrender
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    if you had a 4 or 5 seconds channeling skill like wizards then yes, else no
  • kalx
    kalx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Okay I looked at some skills for the Spear, Sword BM tree...
    W/ -25% Channelling gear;


    Spirit Chaser casts 0.8 0.6 w/ Channelling.

    Farstrike casts 0.8 0.6 w/ Channelling.

    Aeolian Blade casts 0.4 0.3 w/ Channelling.

    Mage Bane casts 0.4 0.3 w/ Channelling.

    So not that much of an improvement...
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Getting -chan gear is definitely stupid as a BM. You'd need at least 25%-50% chan and that's not even possible without AA armors.

    Getting -int gear as a non-fist BM is stupid too.
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  • Dartwave - Sanctuary
    Dartwave - Sanctuary Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    If u are axe bm i think u should go full nirvana with bonuses (def and att lv) ....(excluding the impossible rank9 gears >_>).
    full nirvana will own if u are axe bm
  • Taleon - Heavens Tear
    Taleon - Heavens Tear Posts: 392 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    makes no sense, right? bm's have skills with 0.2 ~ 0.4 channeling time...

    enough said above........

    channeling gear is a waste on a BM
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Getting -chan gear is definitely stupid as a BM. You'd need at least 25%-50% chan and that's not even possible without AA armors.

    Getting -int gear as a non-fist BM is stupid too.

    you can get -chan in ornaments, but still not noticeable difference

    Full or certain type of hybrid bms... i'm actually surprised that you'd say that -int gear is dumb on other weapons besides ranged weapons (lol) , fists/claws and daggers
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Channeling gear is rather useless for a BM, on the other hand insta-cast apoth is awesome.


    Say you're up against another BM, guess who will get his stun off first?
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  • Lenore - Harshlands
    Lenore - Harshlands Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I can't begin to imagine why anyone would think -channel would be more useful than -interval for a whack dps class like BMs (and sins and archers and barbs).
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Lenore - Harshlands wrote: »
    I can't begin to imagine why anyone would think -channel would be more useful than -interval for a whack dps class like BMs (and sins and archers and barbs).

    Indeed, at least on equips.

    I'd also like to add that interval is never useless, even when you don't use fists. Full interval gives axes approximately 50% higher attack speed, which is still something (assuming you use normal attack). Most interval gears still have decent/good other stats, so it's never a waste.

    But I guess if you can afford full interval you can also buy a pair of good fists along with your axes.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    For non-fist users, -interval is largely unnecessary but it will never hurt. The only time that you'll benefit is when you are auto attacking on higher hp mobs/bosses.
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Indeed, at least on equips.

    I'd also like to add that interval is never useless, even when you don't use fists. Full interval gives axes approximately 50% higher attack speed, which is still something (assuming you use normal attack). Most interval gears still have decent/good other stats, so it's never a waste.

    But I guess if you can afford full interval you can also buy a pair of good fists along with your axes.

    intervals are OP for fists/claws, daggers. and maybe magic instruments (not pataka) on veno?

    Intervals are good with a few weapons,

    But useless with heavy and slow weapon like ranged weapons and dual axe/hammer / etc.

    Your better off with a 1+ aps weapon without intervals than a -1 aps with a few interval gear
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    you can get -chan in ornaments, but still not noticeable difference

    Full or certain type of hybrid bms... i'm actually surprised that you'd say that -int gear is dumb on other weapons besides ranged weapons (lol) , fists/claws and daggers

    1) Yeah but I said -25%-50% isn't possible that way. (3x -6% per orn piece is possible without AA armor, but you'd need to use magic rings or -3% shards to get over -36% natural).
    2) Well, if you are non-fist and spend enough money on -int gears to get 4 aps with fists you are really doing something wrong. I mean, 4 aps with Deicides is only 1.82 with a single sword if the sword doesn't have -int (most swords don't have anyway).
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    For non-fist users, -interval is largely unnecessary but it will never hurt. The only time that you'll benefit is when you are auto attacking on higher hp mobs/bosses.

    Yeah that won't hurt but if you go "OMG I GOT 1.82 aps WITH MAH SWORD IM SO OP!" after spending hundreds of millions of coins and you don't have any fists I can consider you as a fail.
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Indeed, at least on equips.

    I'd also like to add that interval is never useless, even when you don't use fists. Full interval gives axes approximately 50% higher attack speed, which is still something (assuming you use normal attack). Most interval gears still have decent/good other stats, so it's never a waste.

    But I guess if you can afford full interval you can also buy a pair of good fists along with your axes.

    I can see why you would be getting TT99 set (of course) and Lunar cape but if you get the -int tome and you are pure axe that's not exactly a good thing. If you can afford to get that much stuff then at least get Deicides.
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    kalx wrote: »
    I saw this Axe Blademaster yesterday with soo much -Interval gear, cape, tome, you name it he had it. I asked him does he uses fists? And he replied, no. Then I asked him why doesn't he? Then he told me he just loves his axes and he doesn't care about 5aps.

    The point I'm trying to make if you're a pure Axe BM isn't interval gear useless? Because of course you'll very rarely going to a normal attack and even then it's pointless. Wouldn't it be better to get -25% Channelling Gear? Instead?

    Makes sense right?

    We agreed that such little -channelling on an Axe BM is fail so nothing more to really say on it ;) Same as -interval gear on an Axe BM...

    Channeling stuff is generally on arcane items, making it quite difficult for a BM to effectively collect a noticeable amount of -channeling gear.

    Aside from that, I have a debuff that increases channeling time by 80%. I've cast is on BMs before just to see it's effects, and trust me, it doesn't do a darn. I have trouble enough convincing myself that -channeling is worth **** on a Psy; don't even get me started on a BM.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    intervals are OP for fists/claws, daggers. and maybe magic instruments (not pataka) on veno?

    Intervals are good with a few weapons,

    But useless with heavy and slow weapon like ranged weapons and dual axe/hammer / etc.

    Your better off with a 1+ aps weapon without intervals than a -1 aps with a few interval gear

    Not very cost effective? Yes.

    Useless? No.

    Especially not on ranged weapons btw. With a CV bow it goes from 0.67 aps to 1 aps in full interval gear (including r8 top for archers), that's quite significant considering archers use normal attack most of the time.
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I can see why you would be getting TT99 set (of course) and Lunar cape but if you get the -int tome and you are pure axe that's not exactly a good thing. If you can afford to get that much stuff then at least get Deicides.

    Yeah I wasn't claiming it's a good idea if you intend to go 100% axes (and I already claimed that if you can afford all that then a pair of deicides for instance should be no problem). But like michael already posted, it never hurts.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah I wasn't claiming it's a good idea if you intend to go 100% axes (and I already claimed that if you can afford all that then a pair of deicides for instance should be no problem). But like michael already posted, it never hurts.

    Yeah. I know I'm kinda contradicting myself but:

    Getting -int as a non-fist BM? Maybe

    Not getting fists after having all that -int? Definitely stupid.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yeah that won't hurt but if you go "OMG I GOT 1.82 aps WITH MAH SWORD IM SO OP!" after spending hundreds of millions of coins and you don't have any fists I can consider you as a fail.

    At 100, even mentioning swords, except for the lulz, is fail. b:bye
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    At 100, even mentioning swords, except for the lulz, is fail. b:bye

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  • Michael_Dark - Sanctuary_1286156757
    Michael_Dark - Sanctuary_1286156757 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Welcome to Sanctuary. b:chuckle

    Thank you! b:chuckle
  • Nahktuul - Archosaur
    Nahktuul - Archosaur Posts: 725 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    End Game HA gives -int anyway, its kind of unavoidable.

    And dont knock -int BM's who dont use fits/claws. Just because its OP doesnt mean they have to do it, and they are fail because they dont. Its personal preference. There is no rule book on how to play a class. Just guidelines if you want to fit in with the rest of the cookie cutters in this game nowadays.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Nahktuul - Archosaur wrote: »
    End Game HA gives -int anyway, its kind of unavoidable.

    And dont knock -int BM's who dont use fits/claws. Just because its OP doesnt mean they have to do it, and they are fail because they dont. Its personal preference. There is no rule book on how to play a class. Just guidelines if you want to fit in with the rest of the cookie cutters in this game nowadays.

    I can see them being better DDs than pure axe if they have sword/pole and -int but I'd still get fists for the best DDing and tanking especially if money isn't the problem.
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  • kalx
    kalx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    At 100, even mentioning swords, except for the lulz, is fail. b:bye

    You are silly. I'd laugh if after this thread you get treated like a bish by a full attack CS Sword BMb:chuckle

    No offense, cause I like you Michealb:mischievous
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    kalx wrote: »
    You are silly. I'd laugh if after this thread you get treated like a bish by a full attack CS Sword BMb:chuckle

    No offense, cause I like you Michealb:mischievous

    What weapon do end-game Sword BMs use? Fists/claws of course. Two of my friends even have the Harpy Wraith zerk/gloom swords.... you think they're going to bother refining them well enough to actually be worthwhile?

    And refining swords to +10 or better? Unless you have heaps of money to burn, not even worth it.

    Although, it's fun to watch a sword BM MSS someone to death. Honestly, if I saw a sword BM use MSS on me I would die from laughter.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Although, it's fun to watch a sword BM MSS someone to death. Honestly, if I saw a sword BM use MSS on me I would die from laughter.

    And that is why sword path > all endgame.

    Not only do you cause your opponents to kill themselves for you, but you also go around spreading the joy of laughter. b:chuckle
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Although, it's fun to watch a sword BM MSS someone to death. Honestly, if I saw a sword BM use MSS on me I would die from laughter.

    I lolled too when someone used it. MSS did 1.3k on me and the BM has +6 Lunar sword. His sage sparked sage Aeolian did 1.3k as well.
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  • kalx
    kalx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    What weapon do end-game Sword BMs use? Fists/claws of course. Two of my friends even have the Harpy Wraith zerk/gloom swords.... you think they're going to bother refining them well enough to actually be worthwhile?

    And refining swords to +10 or better? Unless you have heaps of money to burn, not even worth it.

    Although, it's fun to watch a sword BM MSS someone to death. Honestly, if I saw a sword BM use MSS on me I would die from laughter.

    MSS this MMS that, don't be soooo stupid Michealb:cute

    Firstly any +12 weapon is useful, secondly BM v BM is stupid anyway. If you go full str sword BM you can kill anyone for 6. Or maybe it was that +50 attack I've been enjoying so muchb:pleased

    At the end of the day Swords hit hard and come with hard hitting skills. If you want me to go in more detail I'll be happy my good boyb:mischievous

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  • kalx
    kalx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I lolled too when someone used it. MSS did 1.3k on me and the BM has +6 Lunar sword. His sage sparked sage Aeolian did 1.3k as well.

    That's cause he probably had a very poor build are you STUPID?
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    kalx wrote: »
    That's cause he probably had a very poor build are you STUPID?

    He's 'pure' str, almost 99% sure of it. Missing so many times in a row + 5k-ish HP kinda speaks for itself.

    Still makes me wonder why he had so bad dmg output.
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  • kalx
    kalx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    He's 'pure' str, almost 99% sure of it. Missing so many times in a row + 5k-ish HP kinda speaks for itself.

    Still makes me wonder why he had so bad dmg output.

    b:shocked

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