Best PVP Class

Niteshadows - Dreamweaver

here's the food chain

Barbs>Wizzies>Bms>Sins>Archers>Psys>Venos>Clerics.


imo barbs r the best and toughest to kill. and no this isn't a QQ thread it is more state of facts.

Niteshadows - Dreamweaver

btw. a high lvl barb v a high lvl sin

barb>sin ftw because if the barb plays their class well the sin is dead b4 he/she can restealth.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Niteshadows - Dreamweaver wrote: »

here's the food chain

Barbs>Wizzies>Bms>Sins>Archers>Psys>Venos>Clerics.


imo barbs r the best and toughest to kill. and no this isn't a QQ thread it is more state of facts.

Then what do you make of this?

(By the way the barb in that picture is level 99/100, I've forgotten which, and was charmed with full buffs.)

Just because Clerics aren't known for our PvP abilities doesn't mean we don't have them. b:cute

Sezan - Harshlands

5aps sin>all

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Sezan - Harshlands wrote: »

5aps sin>all

insant chan wizzie

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

This queston is far too broad. Thare are so many variables that it's impossible to answer.

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

So like, this lvl 50 knows what he's talking about.......

Just kidding.

Derressh - Dreamweaver

Wrong. The food chain is as follows.

Intelligent people > 'tards

Any smart person who knows their class and their opponent will beat someone who has no idea what they're doing.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wrong. The food chain is as follows.

Intelligent people > 'tards

Any smart person who knows their class and their opponent will beat someone who has no idea what they're doing.

slight edit

intelligent people with gear>tards with gear>intelligent people w/o gear>tards w/o gear>hampsters

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

slight edit

intelligent people with gear>tards with gear>intelligent people w/o gear>tards w/o gear>hampsters

Take it back! TAKE IT BACK! Quick, before Hamsta uses his almighty noob powahs on you!!

Sezan - Harshlands

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

insant chan wizzie

chances are wiz would be dead in 1sec
b:chuckle

GreenBeans - Dreamweaver

Niteshadows - Dreamweaver wrote: »

here's the food chain

Barbs>Wizzies>Bms>Sins>Archers>Psys>Venos>Clerics.


imo barbs r the best and toughest to kill. and no this isn't a QQ thread it is more state of facts.

come to lost city , b:angry come and i'll kill you so bad you'll wish i hadn't killed you so bad

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Cash Shopper > All

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Sezan - Harshlands wrote: »

5aps sin>all

Umm. NO.

All a well geared fist BM needs to do to kill a sin is break the stunlock. Absolute Domain in time = death to 5aps sin.

Fists hit sins soooo hard. Even with deaden nerves, sins die quick.

I only die to them when I'm unprepared or not paying attention.

TheDan - Sanctuary

Sezan - Harshlands wrote: »

5aps sin>all

You do realize that an LA 5aps sin is going to take twice the amount of damage from a same geared HA 5aps BM would take right?

If you think LA tanks better than HA then you should just uninstall now. BM's can actually tank a sin 5aps with phys marrow + demon bell/buddha guard to get 40K-100K P def until the stun-lock is broken to kite them until demon spark is worn off. LA have no chance at all to tank a 5aps.

HA 5aps > LA 5aps in terms of PvP survivability.

truekossy

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

You do realize that an LA 5aps sin is going to take twice the amount of damage from a same geared HA 5aps BM would take right?

If you think LA tanks better than HA then you should just uninstall now. BM's can actually tank a sin 5aps with phys marrow + demon bell/buddha guard to get 40K-100K P def until the stun-lock is broken to kite them until demon spark is worn off. LA have no chance at all to tank a 5aps.

HA 5aps > LA 5aps in terms of PvP survivability.

Phys marrow not a good idea when half the sins running around have bramble rage and condensed thorn....


But yeah, BMs are pretty much god teir for actually surviving an attack from a 5APS.

Someone in LA, on the other hand... well.... Hope they have hat town button ready.

TheDan - Sanctuary

truekossy wrote: »

Phys marrow not a good idea when half the sins running around have bramble rage and condensed thorn....


But yeah, BMs are pretty much god teir for actually surviving an attack from a 5APS.

Someone in LA, on the other hand... well.... Hope they have hat town button ready.

No marrow is an even worse idea if you're trying to tank 5aps melee. All I have to do is pop 1 magic defense charm for their Bramble Rage and it'll hit me for like 1K, 2K if crit.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

No marrow is an even worse idea if you're trying to tank 5aps melee. All I have to do is pop 1 magic defense charm for their Bramble Rage and it'll hit me for like 1K, 2K if crit.

condensed thorn+ wood pot would wreck havoc on a marrowed bm thank god all our servers sins are idiots

so lets say marrow on a dumb 5 aps sin is a good thing

TheDan - Sanctuary

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

condensed thorn+ wood pot would wreck havoc on a marrowed bm thank god all our servers sins are idiots

so lets say marrow on a dumb 5 aps sin is a good thing

In real PvP you wouldn't pop a wood attack pot over an IG/Sutra/White Tea, etc ijs.

Tbh you'd still take less damage with phys marrow on if it's only 50% when you're cleric buffed. I've tested this with DBB 135% fire damage. Just depends on your base magical defense. With cleric buffs on, it's less damage with phys marrow on. Without cleric buffs you'll take more damage if it's 135%. I'm not sure if this is the same case with the 50% water damage though.

Since Demon spark increases your Phys attack by 500%, I'm assuming your phys marrow reduces a larger chunk of that 500% compared to that 50%.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

In real PvP you wouldn't pop a wood attack pot over an IG/Sutra/White Tea, etc ijs.Tbh you'd still take less damage with phys marrow on if it's only 50% when you're cleric buffed. I've tested this with DBB 135% fire damage. Just depends on your base magical defense. With cleric buffs on, it's less damage with phys marrow on. Without cleric buffs you'll take more damage if it's 135%. I'm not sure if this is the same case with the 50% water damage though.

Since Demon spark increases your Phys attack by 500%, I'm assuming your phys marrow reduces a larger chunk of that 500% compared to that 50%.

assumeing self buffs because unless its group pvp and that the people reading this are not part of sanctuarys "may i kill you please? oh wait buffs. aaaah ok now we may fight" pk

wood pots convert base damage to wood and add a % so you end up tankign about 75% phys damage and 50% wood damge of base phys attack (affected by spark)

sins can stealth/get instant full chi they have no need for the above apoths and again wood pots work off of base while DBB works off of weapon damage

with cleric buffs you keep about 20-25% mag def with marrow still going to take more damge from a high grade wood pot

also if somone can test this does the ele attack damage adds proc mag def charms? if so BR could be dropped as well after a hit or 2

basicly if the sin is smart phys marrow = bad plan but sanctuary has no smart sins on a gear level

(and dear god dont start on "but real pk is all abotu the feel of it" no its math beccause this is a game made of 1's and 0's)

again "wood pots wouldent kill me because i dueled somone with DBB and they had cleric buffs and sins wolnt use them anyways" is quite possibly the worst conterarguement ever and had nothing to do with my post

Niteshadows - Dreamweaver

Sezan - Harshlands wrote: »

5aps sin>all

ur class yesh. lol. bms and barbs no. sins have a terrible time against bms and barbs of equal gear as them. the only way a bm or a barb for that matter could lose to a sin of equal lvl and equal gear is if they messed up somewhere on trying to break the sin's stunlock. now an archer has an even better chance to fend off HA's because they use magic attacks along with their phy attacks. now to revert my opinion and:

+12 geared class>+12 wiz >barb>bm>sin>archer>bad geared barb>bad geared bm>every other class

Derressh - Dreamweaver

Niteshadows - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ur class yesh. lol. bms and barbs no. sins have a terrible time against bms and barbs of equal gear as them. the only way a bm or a barb for that matter could lose to a sin of equal lvl and equal gear is if they messed up somewhere on trying to break the sin's stunlock. now an archer has an even better chance to fend off HA's because they use magic attacks along with their phy attacks. now to revert my opinion and:

+12 geared class>+12 wiz >barb>bm>sin>archer>bad geared barb>bad geared bm>every other class

Considering I can generally kill a decently geared BM, with magic marrow on, with my psy, before my 6.5 second Psychic Will runs out, I'd say there's a slight flaw in your logic.

Besides, there's no straight 1-way food chain that can say "this class will always beat all these other classes, this one will always lose to that one and beat all these other ones, etc."

It's more about who pops in and yells "s'prise!" with a stun first. (minus a few circumstances)

SlashSin - Lost City

Niteshadows - Dreamweaver wrote: »

sins have a terrible time against bms and barbs of equal gear as them.

I lol'd.

Anyways, just popping in to say there are 9001 other threads like this. So post your opinions in them and stop creating new topics for people to have "no my class is better than yours" arguments b:shutup

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

wood pots convert base damage to wood and add a % so you end up tankign about 75% phys damage and 50% wood damge of base phys attack (affected by spark)

Have you actually tested this? I was pretty certain that the % you get from wood pots was static. Much like how I assume Strength of the Titans and how I know Frostblade works.

Frostblade damage isn't amplified and is based off the mage's matk. If you receive Frostblade from a sparked mage, the damage output of the buff is higher, and from what I know is the same either sparked or unsparked.

I assumed that wood pots worked in a similar fashion, that the % of damage you get is a static number assigned when the wood pot was taken, not flexible over the duration of the pot, but I haven't tested this so I don't know and won't pretend to.

(and dear god dont start on "but real pk is all abotu the feel of it" no its math beccause this is a game made of 1's and 0's)

Ummm... what? It's not about strict timings. You can't predict server lag, internet lag (from hop to hop from your direct line in to the servers and back. It's all about feel. The fastest connection with the least amount of lag has the advantage if all other things are equal.

b:bye

TheDan - Sanctuary

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

assumeing self buffs because unless its group pvp and that the people reading this are not part of sanctuarys "may i kill you please? oh wait buffs. aaaah ok now we may fight" pk

wood pots convert base damage to wood and add a % so you end up tankign about 75% phys damage and 50% wood damge of base phys attack (affected by spark)

sins can stealth/get instant full chi they have no need for the above apoths and again wood pots work off of base while DBB works off of weapon damage

with cleric buffs you keep about 20-25% mag def with marrow still going to take more damge from a high grade wood pot

also if somone can test this does the ele attack damage adds proc mag def charms? if so BR could be dropped as well after a hit or 2

basicly if the sin is smart phys marrow = bad plan but sanctuary has no smart sins on a gear level

(and dear god dont start on "but real pk is all abotu the feel of it" no its math beccause this is a game made of 1's and 0's)

again "wood pots wouldent kill me because i dueled somone with DBB and they had cleric buffs and sins wolnt use them anyways" is quite possibly the worst conterarguement ever and had nothing to do with my post

How do you know wood pots convert phys damage to magic damage? Item description says adds
greater wood damage for 2 minutes. If it truly did convert phys damage to mage damage I wouldn't marrow, but assuming it works like DBB where it's a static number like 135%, I would phys marrow a Demon Spark of 500%.

If you take into account genie skills such as Tangling Mire, I'm still better off phys marrowing a 5aps Sin.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

And if you take into account genie skills such as Tangling Mire, I'm still better off phys marrowing a 5aps Sin.

since your assuming cleric buffs mire would do almost nothing to begin with and the brighter sins would just save geni to AD your gank squad/BR/EP

@ michaeldark think theres a old thread in bm/archer fourum that tested this... seemed accurate so im going with it way to lazy to dig through the mounds of fistsux zomgmybuild and Q.Q archers at 90 spam for it atm

yashino

any ranged class can be better than wb and wr if they know how to play.
but overall you're all noobs if you keep asking best pvp class cuz nowaday there isnt any class better than others as long as they take out their credit card.

KuiXing - Harshlands

Niteshadows - Dreamweaver wrote: »

+12 geared class>+12 wiz >barb>bm>sin>archer>bad geared barb>bad geared bm>every other class

how about +12 anyclass > class with bad gear

if you have +12 gear you can pwn the majority of ppl. but any class can be really good in pvp depending on your preferences. a cleric can pwn a barb if they did it right. it reeally depends on your knowledge of your class.

TheDan - Sanctuary

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

since your assuming cleric buffs mire would do almost nothing to begin with and the brighter sins would just save geni to AD your gank squad/BR/EP

@ michaeldark think theres a old thread in bm/archer fourum that tested this... seemed accurate so im going with it way to lazy to dig through the mounds of fistsux zomgmybuild and Q.Q archers at 90 spam for it atm

Re-read my post; I wasn't disagreeing that phys marrow is bad IF wood damage truly did convert phys damage to mage damage, but I was assuming it's static like DBB, in which case taking less damage of that Demon Sparked 500% is more important than the 50% elemental damage.

If it was just self buffed like in your scenario, I'd still phys marrow simply because Tangling Mire would rip apart anyone's Phys def if they didn't phys marrow.

Edit: If it was self buffed fight, sins would get rolled hard. LA Sins are simply too squishy to face an HA BM head on unless they're full buffed. A sin without BM Buff or Cleric Buff would have like what, 5K Phys Def? Compared to a Self Buffed BM with 13K ish?

How do you know wood pots convert phys damage to magic damage? Item description says adds
greater wood damage for 2 minutes. If it truly did convert phys damage to mage damage I wouldn't marrow, but assuming it works like DBB where it's a static number like 135%, I would phys marrow a Demon Spark of 500%.

DemonicleBRE - Lost City

bm is best i say...^^

Angarika - Harshlands

Niteshadows - Dreamweaver wrote: »

btw. a high lvl barb v a high lvl sin

barb>sin ftw because if the barb plays their class well the sin is dead b4 he/she can restealth.

b:chuckle no lol


Edit: after reading people seem to think sins suck at 1 on 1 with Bms and barbs...well i have owned 8x bms and barbs so **** if u havent played a sin tyvm