Deadly shot vs Take Aim

Roin - Harshlands
Roin - Harshlands Posts: 155 Arc User
edited August 2010 in Archer
Im told take aim is better with a good bow but at lvl 61 what will do more damage with the 61 mold crossbow +3 with a flawless garnet shard?

and should i go for the lvl 60 - interval chest or should i just find a nice one with hp adds?
i really have no clue how much interval helps a archers dps b:surrender
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    A well-leveled deadly will outdo Take Aim almost all the time pre-89.

    As for the rank 4 top, if you have the coin to afford it at that level or feel like farming the rep, go for it. If not then it can wait. It does help your DPS a good bit, especially if you also have bracers of blood moon, but it's not a must have thing and you can survive fine without it.
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Theoretically Take Aim only out dmgs Dead Shot when you have something like Heaven Shatterer +10. But in practice, because you learn DS at a later level, TA will out damage DS.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Even in theory, you don't need a +10 weapon, boogie.
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Demon take aim is +400% weapon attack.
    Lvl 10 deadly shot is 100% of weapon damage plus 4986.6.

    When your level + average weapon damage + garnet shards in your weap + damage from your rings is > 1662, demon take aim is better on the average.

    For sage take aim the break even point is at 1246 weapon attack.

    Demon cross over point is roughly a +5 tt90 xbow. Sage is roughly a +4 tt90 or a +7 tt80. If you don't have those go for lvl 10 deadly.
    Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Here's the numbers if you are interested.
    Level	TA	DS	TA %	DS %	DS_c	TA=DS
49	10	1	300	55	2235.3	912.4
53	10	2	300	60	2494.6	1039.4
57	10	3	300	65	2765.5	1176.8
61	10	4	300	70	3048.0	1325.2
65	10	5	300	75	3342.1	1485.4
69	10	6	300	80	3647.8	1658.1
73	10	7	300	85	3965.1	1844.2
77	10	8	300	90	4294.0	2044.8
81	10	9	300	95	4634.5	2260.7
85	10	10	300	100	4986.6	2493.3

89	d 11	10	400	100	4986.6	1662.2
89	s 11	10	500	100	4986.6	1246.7

99	d 11	s 11	400	100	5800.0	1933.3
99	d 11	d 11	400	100	6300.0	2100.0

99	s 11	s 11	500	100	5800.0	1450.0
99	s 11	d 11	500	100	6300.0	1575.0

    Last column shows when Take Aim is the same as DS on average. This value is your average weapon damage.
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Perhaps I recalled wrong. The +10 HS was from memory of something I've read before.
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Deadly shot has a longer casting time then Instant Take Aim + Quick Shot
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  • Tudordan - Dreamweaver
    Tudordan - Dreamweaver Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Deadly shot has a longer casting time then Instant Take Aim + Quick Shot

    They have the same casting time if I remember.

    And lvl 10 take aim has 3.2 sec charge time........while deadly shot has around 3.0 channel timeb:bye
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Instant take aim + quick shot is faster.

    But the whole purpose of a channeled skill is to bypass charm with a crit.
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  • Lu$t - Sanctuary
    Lu$t - Sanctuary Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Roin - Harshlands wrote: »
    Im told take aim is better with a good bow but at lvl 61 what will do more damage with the 61 mold crossbow +3 with a flawless garnet shard?

    and should i go for the lvl 60 - interval chest or should i just find a nice one with hp adds?
    i really have no clue how much interval helps a archers dps b:surrender

    As mentioned any interval helps. Not too sure about the first as I don't wanna crunch numbers nor did I use that weapon but if you wanted to and could afford bracers of blood moon + rank top + wind and clouds would be pretty sweet for grinding/pve.
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  • Roin - Harshlands
    Roin - Harshlands Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    ok thx for the help guys =)
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Demon Take Aim's casting time is reduced to 2.5 seconds, though :3

    And Take Aim's damage is %based while Deadly Shot's is not. So Take Aim really shines when you get better gear, and is much better than Deadly Shot at 90+

    Deadly Shot takes way too much mana to justify use anyhow.
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  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Demon Take Aim's casting time is reduced to 2.5 seconds, though :3

    And Take Aim's damage is %based while Deadly Shot's is not. So Take Aim really shines when you get better gear, and is much better than Deadly Shot at 90+

    Deadly Shot takes way too much mana to justify use anyhow.

    As a demon Archer with both demon skills, you'd need a +10 HS (average weapon attack ~2100) to have take aim do similar damage as DS (again; on average), although yes TA is slightly faster. The purpose of DS really is as Quilue mentionted and that is to bypass charms. If you're looking for dps, DS is definitely not the way to go.

    Also, as you're leveling at a moderate pace, TA will pretty much never outshine DS (exception is around 90-98. As soon as you hit 99 and learn DS, it's hard to compete). The only reason why there use to be so much talk about it was because leveling wasn't as easy, which meant a lack of spirit and in turn lead to careful picking of skills (spirit and coin limitations) during your Archer career. Having said that, TA acts as a "poor man's" substitute. It's void if you can level fast enough and max DS, especially if you end up learning d11 DS.

    edit: Sage of course, is a different story. Here's an attached graph that may help.
  • Allynna_ - Dreamweaver
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I never liked DS as much as Take Aim. I suppose from a PvP persepctive DS is better, but Take aim is cheaper to learn, use, and I do fine in PvE with Take Aim as is. Not to mention using take aim I can do no pot grinding, while with DS I would burn a lot of MP, and have to spend alot of SP/Coins leveling it.
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    As a demon Archer with both demon skills, you'd need a +10 HS (average weapon attack ~2100) to have take aim do similar damage as DS

    Someone has the some information as me b:victory

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