This is definitely NOT normal.

Assazou - Sanctuary
Assazou - Sanctuary Posts: 86 Arc User
edited August 2010 in General Discussion
I wanted to refine my Shadow Legends. Maybe +3. But I was shooting for +2.

Out of 20 mirages. It only went to +1 twice..

That does not seem right to me...
b:surrender
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    It be completely normal.
    b:bye
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  • Mendolin - Sanctuary
    Mendolin - Sanctuary Posts: 1,092 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Assazou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I wanted to refine my Shadow Legends. Maybe +3. But I was shooting for +2.

    Out of 20 mirages. It only went to +1 twice..

    That does not seem right to me...
    b:surrender

    if that is a weapon... thats only 10 attempts- which seems just right

    if its a peice of armor... thats 20 attempts and meh... it happens- i save up 100s of mirages at a time for refining :/
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Yeah, weapon 2 mirages per attempt. To get to +3 you'd want 100-200 mirages. You should be able to get to +2 with about 40-60 mirages.
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    1 out of 10 tries isnt so bad
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Meh, me +3 me leggings using 5 mirages.
    b:bye
    darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
    Hawk:Do this. closing thread
    frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
    Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
    Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    Meh, me +3 me leggings using 5 mirages.
    b:bye

    No more sunflower seed for you. -.-
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No more sunflower seed for you. -.-

    D:
    Nuuuu

    b:sad

    But me used the noob power.
    ._.'
    darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
    Hawk:Do this. closing thread
    frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
    Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
    Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
    Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
    Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
    58% chance to get tokens
    41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
    1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    So I got DAMN lucky getting my +3 Shadow Legends for 450kb:pleased
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So I got DAMN lucky getting my +3 Shadow Legends for 450kb:pleased

    ?
    Mayhaps?
    iono how much Shadow Legends be worth.
    o.o'
    darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
    Hawk:Do this. closing thread
    frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
    Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
    Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
    Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
    Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
    58% chance to get tokens
    41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
    1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Let's put it this way, I later saw +2 for 1.2mil (both had 1 socket and no shards)
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  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I refined my chest, boots and sleeves to +4 and legs to +5 spamming about 500 mirage. Some people just have better luck. I can quite often get +3 for just about anything within 30-50 mirage.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    It also depends on what refining material you use. I came across a chart a while ago that gives the chances of refinement being successful at each level with each material (besides the guaranteed Dragon Orbsb:laugh)
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  • Renza - Raging Tide
    Renza - Raging Tide Posts: 1,939 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    any gear i get, i + it to 3, it takes me around 15-20 attempts, so yea u wud be looking at 30-40 mirages for a weap
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Found the chart http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=541751
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  • Kyphe - Harshlands
    Kyphe - Harshlands Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I cannot remember who made this, but if someone can tell me I would cheerfully credit them.
    http://public.sheet.zoho.com/public/warren.forrest/pwi-refine-costs

    You can edit it to reflect market price so you really know what's the cheapest.
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  • GreenBeans - Dreamweaver
    GreenBeans - Dreamweaver Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    It may not be normal now

    But on meth it is
  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    why peepz keep writing topics like this =o


    you look at this wrong. if u get 10 fail refines in a row it means you will get +6 later

    it have to 'even out' - it s math
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I know people who have used 10 mirages to get a weapon to +5. I also know people who have used enough money to +3 with orbs when they tried to get it to +3 without them.
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  • MaiaElais - Lost City
    MaiaElais - Lost City Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    Meh, me +3 me leggings using 5 mirages.
    b:bye

    I +5'd my sin's Tauren cape with 5 mirages.

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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I have a set of cursed L52 Gale Dual Hammers which I've dumped over 360 mirages on and have never gotten them over +2. Every once in a while I think "I was just getting unlucky" and try again, and each time it consumes 50-100 more mirages before I give up. Last time, just getting them back to +2 took 104 mirages.

    I've had similar problems trying to refine L30 legendary weapons (magic sword, fist, and daggers). It's really making me wonder if some equipment has a different refine probability table.
  • Lythianaa - Dreamweaver
    Lythianaa - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,307 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I have a set of cursed L52 Gale Dual Hammers which I've dumped over 360 mirages on and have never gotten them over +2. Every once in a while I think "I was just getting unlucky" and try again, and each time it consumes 50-100 more mirages before I give up.

    I've had similar problems trying to refine L30 legendary weapons (magic sword, fist, and daggers). It's really making me wonder if some equipment has a different refine probability table.

    I'm having similar problems with my 90+ armor T-T Then again, I also used some stones and my weapon couldn't even get past +3. Probably bad luck on my part.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Yes but did you use Dragon Orbs?
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    On second hand. I tried just for fun to refine gear and weapon on private server.(unlimited mirages available).

    The refining success was MUCHbetter, than PWI. I think PWI refines is nerfed as many another things in compare to another versions of this game.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    On second hand. I tried just for fun to refine gear and weapon on private server.(unlimited mirages available).

    The refining success was MUCHbetter, than PWI. I think PWI refines is nerfed as many another things in compare to another versions of this game.

    Oddly enough, Warren did the same and he got pretty much the same rates on both.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I +4'ed my TT99 boots last night with 4 mirages and a refine rate increase stone. This sort of makes up for the 200+ mirages I spent trying and fail to refine my belt to +4.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Oddly enough, Warren did the same and he got pretty much the same rates on both.
    So then I was extremely lucky or rate was on this private server increased.(low probability because dragon orbs are free).
    Of course more than +5 was to get hard, but till +5 it was relative easy.
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