Questions about fist archer..

Nikit - Harshlands

Hello everyone m Nikit from harshlands server...i tried to find some information about fist archer and how successful they are but couldnt find much so i decided to ask u guys a few questions...

1. What build is needed for being a fist archer? should i put leftover points in str or dex? and how much in vit?

2. What gears are needed to be a decent fist archer who can tank TT and stuff?

3. is it really worth being a fist archer or should i continue with ranged weapons?

ok these were a few question i had in mind...

thnx b:thanks

P.S

my English is not that good but i hope it is understandable! b:chuckle
and i've seen chezedude videos b:pleased

GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver

From what I've saw in game and in the forums :

"Don't try to make an archer a blademaster. Archer is not a blademaster"

Not sure how true it is, but since you don't have blademaster skills etc ...

Quilue - Sanctuary

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e37d56de1915fa4b

^
cheapest way? lol...or just get a hat with +str

The whole purpose of going claws is so you can perma-spark and deal decent DPS so you can farm instances fast. You will not really tank but be a valuable DD at instances at first. Eventually high refines and shards that you have hopefully farmed up will let you tank. (Get some leggings while you're at it too) You should also never forsake using a bow, especially in PvP

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver wrote: »

From what I've saw in game and in the forums :

"Don't try to make an archer a blademaster. Archer is not a blademaster"

Not sure how true it is, but since you don't have blademaster skills etc ...

Archer has more -int equipment so why not?

Fists archers are good for farming instances, they make alot of money.

Aquilez - Sanctuary

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5ebbc214f6eb7ae3

this is the build i use, fully buffed i can tank a lot of things, including nirvana, fb 99, tt2-3(exept AE)

so i say fists for archer isnt a bad thing, i can even kill some 20k hp barbs in pk ^^

ScarletOwl - Raging Tide

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

Archer has more -int equipment so why not?

Fists archers are good for farming instances, they make alot of money.

Fist BMs can equip most the same things as Archer

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

Rank8 chest.

Lu$t - Sanctuary

I've been scolded by a lot of folks before for using fists in certain situations. I think its worth it even if you can't get perma spark yet. For example in TT chapter 3, no one wants to chase an archer as they kite a mob. I find it easier when i dont have to use any skills and can just demon spark and handle it myself. My squads usually prefer I use fists on the mobs since I can demon spark most of them and the mobs are dead before the team gets to the room. It's faster and much more efficient and I don't have to use mp pots or waste time gaining distance. Right now im .15 interval away from 3.33 sparked but it still works out well. As mentioned before never ever ditch your bow. By no means are claws/fists a weapon replacement. True we may not be bms, but if it helps the squad get things done fast and safer, why complain? I've seen a few archers stupidly try to kite and end up getting a full room of mobs because their hp couldn't take it. As what Quilue said that's the other reason why to get claws/fists. Plus it's fun well for me at least. I like to play this for fun anyways and not have anyone tell me what to do or how to do my job as a DD xD

Lu$t - Sanctuary

ScarletOwl - Raging Tide wrote: »

Fist BMs can equip most the same things as Archer

BMs dont get rank 4 or higher interval armor where as a bm needs the tome i think, we dont need it saving us 150mil+ ask any bm and they'll tell you its easier to hit perma spark as an archer

Vixennia - Raging Tide

GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver wrote: »

From what I've saw in game and in the forums :

"Don't try to make an archer a blademaster. Archer is not a blademaster"

Not sure how true it is, but since you don't have blademaster skills etc ...

I have to say I am totally in agreement here. If you want to melee then why in the heck are you making an archer?? Seriously the class is called ARCHER. Meaning they use ARCHERY.

I have an archer alt now that I have been playing a lot more than my veno and I still don't understand why people want to make an archer be melee. That is the opposite of the name of the class. Seriously makes no sense to me.

And yes I have seen what the archer's can do as 5aps fist "archers". That still doesn't make me want to make my ranged ARCHER into a melee fighter. I would just roll a sin or a bm.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Aquilez - Sanctuary wrote: »

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5ebbc214f6eb7ae3

this is the build i use, fully buffed i can tank a lot of things, including nirvana, fb 99, tt2-3(exept AE)

so i say fists for archer isnt a bad thing, i can even kill some 20k hp barbs in pk ^^

LOL... all the talks regarding tanking with fists. You do know a half assed archer at your level can tank ae with a single cleric and bow right?

Qqarrowqq - Lost City

I used to find this really dumb until I got pummeled to death by one, but maybe its because I suck b:cry

Lu$t - Sanctuary

Vixennia - Raging Tide wrote: »

I have to say I am totally in agreement here. If you want to melee then why in the heck are you making an archer?? Seriously the class is called ARCHER. Meaning they use ARCHERY.

I have an archer alt now that I have been playing a lot more than my veno and I still don't understand why people want to make an archer be melee. That is the opposite of the name of the class. Seriously makes no sense to me.

And yes I have seen what the archer's can do as 5aps fist "archers". That still doesn't make me want to make my ranged ARCHER into a melee fighter. I would just roll a sin or a bm.

What level is this archer? In all honesty I didn't add in the versatility of fists until 97 when I was running alot more 3-2/3s. Unless you've played an archer well into the 90s, please don't speculate. Archers using fists simply do not fist everything. Drop the notion that we do. For the most part it's simply for versatility. Of course you wouldnt see why when mobs die fast to magic and has no damage penalty. And you probably haven't done 3-2s or 3-3s. Don't presume we're dropping a bow and going pure fists. Seems like most people think we're just becoming bms. Also, play your archer more. You'll notice it was higher survivability then a bm or sin if the player has the same level of skill on each of the three. Unlike most, I'm speaking from personal experience and actual time spent playing other classes.

Desire - Dreamweaver

Vixennia - Raging Tide wrote: »

I have to say I am totally in agreement here. If you want to melee then why in the heck are you making an archer?? Seriously the class is called ARCHER. Meaning they use ARCHERY.

I have an archer alt now that I have been playing a lot more than my veno and I still don't understand why people want to make an archer be melee. That is the opposite of the name of the class. Seriously makes no sense to me.

And yes I have seen what the archer's can do as 5aps fist "archers". That still doesn't make me want to make my ranged ARCHER into a melee fighter. I would just roll a sin or a bm.

Wait for your archer to be 99-100 and you'll see why.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

If you aren't at least 4.0 with fists stick with bow. That is assuming your claws are of similar refine to the bow. Dont bother using unrefined claws for anything but decoration.

With armor/ornaments at +6/7 refines demon archers can tank pretty much everything in the game with a good cleric, even with a pure build. The threshold for sage is probably lower.

In instances I do switch between fists and bow as the situation demands.... a general rule of thumb for me is to fist everything with 400k hp or more. In FBs I try to gather at least 2 mobs before sparking to 5.0. Barrage dps doesn't beat fist dps unless I barrage 4 or more mobs outside of damage reduction range.


Ohh and the reason why you'd want to make a 5.0 archer is that they make a LOT more money than a bow archer. From nein alone I made 100s of millions. I still make around 14m a week from CoA, 12m from the tiger event. There is little reason to switch to BM as the damage is comparable and there isnt all that much in the game that requires HA to tank. 5.0 dagger sin is really nice but who wants to be a fish.

To those worried about your bow damage.

1) Put some points into str -> lowers bow damage by 4%
2) Get claws and make hundreds of millions of coin
3) Get a nirvana / rank 8 bow and refine it to +10~+11
4) You now have like 10% greater ranged damage than you were doing before

GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

1) Put some points into str -> lowers bow damage by 4%

Huh ?!?!? b:shocked What "some points" means ? We do put points in str so we can carry our gear, but you want to tell me that putting points in str is lowering the dmg ?! :O

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Huh ?!?!? b:shocked What "some points" means ? We do put points in str so we can carry our gear, but you want to tell me that putting points in str is lowering the dmg ?! :O

Fist archers typically have to restat some dex into str to wear fists. Some find lowering their damage (even slightly) so terrible as to refuse. I lost like 4% base damage when I restat but was able to do more damage later with the nirvana bow and have alot better gear now thanks to 5.0.

GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Fist archers typically have to restat some dex into str to wear fists. Some find lowering their damage (even slightly) so terrible as to refuse. I lost like 4% base damage when I restat but was able to do more damage later with the nirvana bow and have alot better gear now thanks to 5.0.

Aw, my bad I`m sorry. I thought we are talking about completely bow build b:chuckle Thanks for the answer tho b:thanks

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

GrimReaperHC - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Huh ?!?!? b:shocked What "some points" means ? We do put points in str so we can carry our gear, but you want to tell me that putting points in str is lowering the dmg ?! :O

Note the panic of this person.b:chuckle

This is why serious fist archers will always seem to be a rarity.

TigerLily - Lost City

Thing is you dont really have a choice endgame. If you cant reach 5.0 as a DD for pve you wont get invited to any decent parties and specially not Nirvana. You cant reach 5.0 with ranged weapons, so as archer you dont have a choice, you have to go mele + claws/fists for pve or be excluded. Thats the reality of this game at the moment.

As archer you still have a bow and you're ranged skills and advantages for PvP tho, which makes it very versatile. You have the ability to switch depending on situation. But "fist archer" is not really a special build, its interval gear you will be forced to get 100+ if you wanna play your char outside of TW and PvP

Of course you can just make a BM instead. But not everyone playing archer wanna level up another class to 100+ to be able to farm stuff, specially not if you already invested loads of time and money on your char.

My DPS goes up with like 100% when i use claws and they're only +7. My bow is grade 15, Nirvana second cast +10 and it sucks for pve b:surrender.

Aquilez - Sanctuary

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LOL... all the talks regarding tanking with fists. You do know a half assed archer at your level can tank ae with a single cleric and bow right?

i mean using fists, AE hit me for 6k+ after some point, never tried with bow, usualy have barbs in squad, was just testing what i can hold and what i cant =P

Lu$t - Sanctuary

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Thing is you dont really have a choice endgame. If you cant reach 5.0 as a DD for pve you wont get invited to any decent parties and specially not Nirvana. You cant reach 5.0 with ranged weapons, so as archer you dont have a choice, you have to go mele + claws/fists for pve or be excluded. Thats the reality of this game at the moment.

As archer you still have a bow and you're ranged skills and advantages for PvP tho, which makes it very versatile. You have the ability to switch depending on situation. But "fist archer" is not really a special build, its interval gear you will be forced to get 100+ if you wanna play your char outside of TW and PvP

Of course you can just make a BM instead. But not everyone playing archer wanna level up another class to 100+ to be able to farm stuff, specially not if you already invested loads of time and money on your char.

My DPS goes up with like 100% when i use claws and they're only +7. My bow is grade 15, Nirvana second cast +10 and it sucks for pve b:surrender.

Well said It's eays for clerics/bms to complain it isnt fair because people always request them. Hell some will take a veno over an archer with no purge bow or a barb. Tbh I don't want a bm main just so I can get into nirvanas.

Nikit - Harshlands

thnx guys...what i made out is not go fist till i get 99 and get my tt99 gears....but yea its worth to go fists thnx alot to all those who replied b:chuckle b:thanks

GTIMIKEE - Heavens Tear

Claw archer FTW!!

b:victory b:byeb:pleased

Mekkhala - Lost City

Rumors are afloat that weps will be useable for only the classes that were supposed to use them. And on the player-base ****-over roll PWI is currently on, that wouldn't surprise me at all if they did it. So I wouldn't be investing money in a build that might not even be possible after a few updates.


but the sad fact is by endgame ppl want all 5.o for nirvana and other PvE instances. And archers cannot reach 5.0 with bows. So I'm seeing alot of archers forced to go -int fists/claws JUST to be able to farm their nirvana gear. I have a wizz friend who cant find squads even with his -45% chan lol. Thankfully my guild runs nirvana and takes along ppl who normally cant get squads, so i wont need to change my build.

fulgida

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

Rumors are afloat that weps will be useable for only the classes that were supposed to use them.

I have heard that rumor a lot, but I think it was mostly generated by wishful thinking by people that do not understand the weaknesses of 5aps fists.

5aps is only really useful against opponents that do not move. So they have a lot of options, if they feel things are balanced too much in favor of 5aps...

Mekkhala - Lost City

fulgida wrote: »

I have heard that rumor a lot, but I think it was mostly generated by wishful thinking by people that do not understand the weaknesses of 5aps fists.

I have heard the change was already made in other versions of PW, tho I cant find any information confirming that.

I hope they don't. I'm pretty sure squads wouldn't magically become less selfish and willing to spend a little longer in nirvana for other classes. They would probably refuse to take anything other than bms/sins for DD (oh, wait, alotta squads already do that >.<)

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

In China fists have already become archer-only and the BMs are throwing a fit. Some guy told me.

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

In China fists have already become archer-only and the BMs are throwing a fit. Some guy told me.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/4009/1097290-i_see_what_you_did_there_super.jpg

Mekkhala - Lost City

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

In China fists have already become archer-only and the BMs are throwing a fit. Some guy told me.

no no no they became barb-only >.>

Russiee - Raging Tide

Vixennia - Raging Tide wrote: »

I have to say I am totally in agreement here. If you want to melee then why in the heck are you making an archer?? Seriously the class is called ARCHER. Meaning they use ARCHERY.

I have an archer alt now that I have been playing a lot more than my veno and I still don't understand why people want to make an archer be melee. That is the opposite of the name of the class. Seriously makes no sense to me.

And yes I have seen what the archer's can do as 5aps fist "archers". That still doesn't make me want to make my ranged ARCHER into a melee fighter. I would just roll a sin or a bm.

So make all weapons class bound? Glaive for Wizzie, Pataka for x class etc. Oh but QQQQ I can't use this because i'm a QQQQQ and it would be unfair because QQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Everyone can use a bow, therefore archers are not allowed to use claws?

Error does not compute.

Also i'm a full dex 5.0 archer. Yes full dex. Should I go quit my class because I can equip claws?