You don't have sage res? QQ!

Demoneyesjoe - Lost City

all htis talk about 20m and 10m for sage/demon revive makes me happy i made mine for only 3m

Bollocks - Raging Tide

It is that I had the luck to get demon rez for 5m otherwise I probably would have never gotten it. At prices of 10/20M just leave it be and use that money for something more worth it.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Some like to go for the demon res if they go demon.

StreamElf - Sanctuary

I was in FCC not long ago and we had a squadwipe, so me the bm and the sin rezzed. We went back to the room and killed all the mobs. The wiz was whining because he died a few times already and lost 0.5% in total, while i died 1 time and lost 1%. I mean, come on, either don't die or carry GAs on you or something if you whine about your exp.
I'm not planning on getting demon rez. I would only get it if i either got it for free or if it drops or something xD

xxxdsmer

yeah, the price of demon or sage res if found in the auction is absolutely ridiculous. whats the sense in charging a cleric 20mil for a skill that they can never use on their self? but may very well be used on you if it didnt have that ridiculous 20mil pricetag on it?

personally i would use the 20mil on my own gear to improve my own survivability or healing power to keep myself and others alive better. if a friend happened to give me the book or sell it to me unbelievably cheap (like VERY cheap) i would likely learn it, but 20mil can go a long way in shards and/or refines

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Demoneyesjoe - Lost City wrote: »

all htis talk about 20m and 10m for sage/demon revive makes me happy i made mine for only 3m

(O.o)

Mrvate - Heavens Tear

xxxdsmer wrote: »

personally i would use the 20mil on my own gear to improve my own survivability or healing power to keep myself and others alive better. if a friend happened to give me the book or sell it to me unbelievably cheap (like VERY cheap) i would likely learn it, but 20mil can go a long way in shards and/or refines

Just a thing to point out. At some point, spending 20m on gear, will not get you very far. And the improvement would be miniscule compared to the gear you'd be replacing. At that point spending money on skill books is probably a better move. And that is what I found to be the best option for me, though I make most of my skill books and sell the ones I already have.

And the price is not entirely set by the seller, its also the buyer. And somebody paying 20m for a book shows its worth that much, at least to him.

xxxdsmer

Mrvate - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just a thing to point out. At some point, spending 20m on gear, will not get you very far. And the improvement would be miniscule compared to the gear you'd be replacing. At that point spending money on skill books is probably a better move. And that is what I found to be the best option for me, though I make most of my skill books and sell the ones I already have.

And the price is not entirely set by the seller, its also the buyer. And somebody paying 20m for a book shows its worth that much, at least to him.

maybe if i and another cleric agreed to get res11 for eachother, but i certainly wouldnt buy it just to have it lol.

and more than likely the people paying 20mil, are doing that just b/c they have the coin to spend (crazy cash shopping any1? lol)

Roriror - Lost City

TeresaSyri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is probably just another QQ post but, something that really had bothered me is that everyone expects the cleric to have this skill if they're 90+ (or whatever the req is for learning it, can't remember atm). I used to run Nirvana with faction mates months ago (before this new update they put out a while ago) and I hated hearing all the QQ about my not having sage/demon res lol... Where when I died I lost the entire percentage lost without res. So I honestly have no sympathy for anyone when they cry about losing experience. Even in the 100+ I really don't care lol... Because I've stayed at around 5% for a long time due to dying without res or what have you. And I'm not all that concerned with leveling atm honestly but...

I dunno lol. People just do dumb things, like the phoenix boss in Nirvana. The barb(s) would stay in the fire that would appear and die, I'd res them, they'd get up only to die again because the fire wouldn't go away until the boss is dead (they should know this, esp when they've run nirvana before). Then cry that I don't have sage res. I really doubt that the small percentage you lose from your deaths even compares to what I lose lol... so either A) Buy me that lovely 25mil skill or buy angels and deal with the cost that I'd have to if I ever bought the skill myself.

It's just annoying. And makes me not want to squad with people who whine about their damn exp.

I was considering getting the item from the cash shop that switches your cultivation from sage to demon (and vice versa) since demon skills look to be a lot cheaper than sage. But I dunno. The cost of these skills is really what keeps me from affording them. And I really was running nirvana before so I could raise the money for these skills that I need but I hate listening to people cry about their deaths lol.

And I consider myself a good cleric, I've been playing this character since november 2008, and I know my class very well... I'm not by any means one of those BH'd or oracled toons. So I think I can keep people alive quite well but when they do something stupid that ends up killing them and they cry at ME about it? well that's just too bad lol.

I think all of us experience this sort of thing as is obvious by the many threads about bad squads we've got here in the cleric forum. I just need to put in my two cents about this whole demon/sage res thing. Not like mine is still lvl 1 I have everything to 10 (some are sage). Honestly people who cry about exp loss shouldn't be worth my time, but unfortunately it seems to be majority of people I run into. lol...

Anyone else get yelled at for not haveing demon/sage res? >_<

didn't read it all but yup.

MerciiMew - Dreamweaver

o.o sage rez ftw b:victory

Shindral - Heavens Tear

ALL i can say is i got sage rez 3 time in one day ahahahahahahahahahahahah


although its been usefull in faill ff runs lo

hated1337

demon rez plz

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Mrvate - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just a thing to point out. At some point, spending 20m on gear, will not get you very far. And the improvement would be miniscule compared to the gear you'd be replacing. At that point spending money on skill books is probably a better move. And that is what I found to be the best option for me, though I make most of my skill books and sell the ones I already have.

And the price is not entirely set by the seller, its also the buyer. And somebody paying 20m for a book shows its worth that much, at least to him.

you do know that you can +5 refine a gear with like total 3m (or less) of mirages/tisha/tienkang right???

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

TeresaSyri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is probably just another QQ post but, something that really had bothered me is that everyone expects the cleric to have this skill if they're 90+ (or whatever the req is for learning it, can't remember atm). I used to run Nirvana with faction mates months ago (before this new update they put out a while ago) and I hated hearing all the QQ about my not having sage/demon res lol... Where when I died I lost the entire percentage lost without res. So I honestly have no sympathy for anyone when they cry about losing experience. Even in the 100+ I really don't care lol... Because I've stayed at around 5% for a long time due to dying without res or what have you. And I'm not all that concerned with leveling atm honestly but...

I dunno lol. People just do dumb things, like the phoenix boss in Nirvana. The barb(s) would stay in the fire that would appear and die, I'd res them, they'd get up only to die again because the fire wouldn't go away until the boss is dead (they should know this, esp when they've run nirvana before). Then cry that I don't have sage res. I really doubt that the small percentage you lose from your deaths even compares to what I lose lol... so either A) Buy me that lovely 25mil skill or buy angels and deal with the cost that I'd have to if I ever bought the skill myself.

It's just annoying. And makes me not want to squad with people who whine about their damn exp.

I was considering getting the item from the cash shop that switches your cultivation from sage to demon (and vice versa) since demon skills look to be a lot cheaper than sage. But I dunno. The cost of these skills is really what keeps me from affording them. And I really was running nirvana before so I could raise the money for these skills that I need but I hate listening to people cry about their deaths lol.

And I consider myself a good cleric, I've been playing this character since november 2008, and I know my class very well... I'm not by any means one of those BH'd or oracled toons. So I think I can keep people alive quite well but when they do something stupid that ends up killing them and they cry at ME about it? well that's just too bad lol.

I think all of us experience this sort of thing as is obvious by the many threads about bad squads we've got here in the cleric forum. I just need to put in my two cents about this whole demon/sage res thing. Not like mine is still lvl 1 I have everything to 10 (some are sage). Honestly people who cry about exp loss shouldn't be worth my time, but unfortunately it seems to be majority of people I run into. lol...

Anyone else get yelled at for not haveing demon/sage res? >_<

so now we know our skill gets judged by the amount of money we can dish out

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

If your plan is to have an under leveled revive and hope noone notices it or ever figures it out you arent going to be very popular. Sanctuary has lots of clerics and plenty have high level res. As a whole those clerics tend to play their class better since they put importance on the well-being of the squad.

Mrvate - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

you do know that you can +5 refine a gear with like total 3m (or less) of mirages/tisha/tienkang right???

Yes I do know that, have you looked at average costs for going past +5? or what about with shards, to move up from immac to perfect. And then compare those costs to how much demon or sage rez costs. Which though may be different on your server, on mine I've seen a couple sell for as low as 10m, they're usually closer to 14-16m. right now Perfect shards are 3.5-4m on my server.

So just as an example lets say I had a 4 socket cape with immac citrines in it and wanted to spend my 14-16m to change that to perfect citrines. I'd get a total of 48 more hp for that money, or I could get a celestial rez. imo I think the rez is better. Now if you don't have decently sharded or refined gear then yes you should probably get better gear before rez. I was just saying at some point. The rez is a better deal.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Mrvate - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes I do know that, have you looked at average costs for going past +5? or what about with shards, to move up from immac to perfect. And then compare those costs to how much demon or sage rez costs. Which though may be different on your server, on mine I've seen a couple sell for as low as 10m, they're usually closer to 14-16m. right now Perfect shards are 3.5-4m on my server.

So just as an example lets say I had a 4 socket cape with immac citrines in it and wanted to spend my 14-16m to change that to perfect citrines. I'd get a total of 48 more hp for that money, or I could get a celestial rez. imo I think the rez is better. Now if you don't have decently sharded or refined gear then yes you should probably get better gear before rez. I was just saying at some point. The rez is a better deal.

Your thinking is centered around a person that can actually afford that 20m skill and higher refines, im thinking in terms of overall, normal & poor pple included.
The average cleric near/around our lvl or at 100 even still use TT90 gear, their refines are +3-4. TT99 costs oodles still for the majority, possibly less than 5% have even a nirvana. If the majority cant even afford their lv99 gear, i doubt they would be aiming to go past +5, theyd be happy just getting closer to their TT99s.

see the thing is for clerics, the more we spend =/= profit back from what we spent. A good example is melee who build 5.0aps soloing City of abominations, and selling rings, and a cleric getting lv11 rez and....just a trifle more than other clerics but GA costs still the same.

btw our server
-sage rez 20m+
-perfects 3m

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

you shouldn't switch from immac to perfect if you dont refine higher than +7


(felt like sharing my wisdom)

carry on

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you shouldn't switch from immac to perfect if you dont refine higher than +7


(felt like sharing my wisdom)

carry on

i had +5 on my TT90s

Tamias - Archosaur

b:shocked

definitely better than my measly +3 QQ

I just want the demon res for cut chann to get people up-otherwise I wouldn't even bother. Maybe more -chann gear can make up for that before I get the skill but I think I'll try and work for demon IH first b:chuckle

Decus - Dreamweaver

Mrvate - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So just as an example lets say I had a 4 socket cape with immac citrines in it and wanted to spend my 14-16m to change that to perfect citrines. ... The rez is a better deal.

Conversely you can invest that money into merchanting and, in a few weeks, buy yourself a fancy endgame ornament or take a weapon from +5 --> +7 during an orb sale.

Seems to me like endgame gear > 11 res, Ijs. But hey, that's my opinion b:bye

Duchiamender - Heavens Tear

I dunno if anyone said this. But when you throw a lvl 10 rez for a lvl 100 person. They lose 13k exp. Just throwing it out there. In realtity its about 00.02% Just sayen xD

Liebe - Heavens Tear

I got told not to res someone who got killed doing emperor because he was losing a minuscule amount of exp. He had turned 100 THAT DAY, a few hours before that TT. So he got to lay there dead most of the time, because our other cleric was busy with the barb.
This is why my cleric is semi-retired. b:pleased

Mendolin - Sanctuary

Duchiamender - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I dunno if anyone said this. But when you throw a lvl 10 rez for a lvl 100 person. They lose 13k exp. Just throwing it out there. In realtity its about 00.02% Just sayen xD

hhhhhhmmmmmmm.............. *testing*

Mrvate - Heavens Tear

Duchiamender - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I dunno if anyone said this. But when you throw a lvl 10 rez for a lvl 100 person. They lose 13k exp. Just throwing it out there. In realtity its about 00.02% Just sayen xD

Don't lie.

at lvl 100 it is just barely under 67m, depending on the progression of your culti you will loose either .6% or .3%.

67,000,000 x 0.06= 4,020,000 x 0.1= 402,000

if you're further along in you're culti its half that so still 200k for lvl 10 rez.

Rawthorne - Heavens Tear

Mrvate - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Don't lie.

at lvl 100 it is just barely under 67m, depending on the progression of your culti you will loose either .6% or .3%.

67,000,000 x 0.06= 4,020,000 x 0.1= 402,000

if you're further along in you're culti its half that so still 200k for lvl 10 rez.

Wrong and I posted this elsewhere in another thread so I'll copy/paste for you:

The way exp loss works is like this:
When you first start the game and you die; you lose 5% of the exp you currently have based upon how much you need to next level. So for example if you currently have 1000 experience (and for hypotheitcal you are level 50) and it takes 10000 total experience f/ 50-> 51 you would lose 500 experience (5% of 10k) if you hit the go to town button and would be left w/ 500 experience. A level 10 rez would save 90% of the 500 experience loss so you would thus only end up losing 50 experience.

Now here's where most people who play the game are idiots and don't truly understand the game mechanics. Every cultivation level you obtain lowers the amount of experience you lose. Most people are clueless and just focus on blah blah I just gained x% or I need x% to next level rather then actually looking at the exact experience #'s they currently have and to their next level. Here's a link to exp #'s in case you are curious :http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/ind...erience_Points Here's the list of how culti affects experience loss:

Principle (19) 4.5% exp loss
Harmony (29) 4%
Discord (39) 3.5%
Coalescence (49/51 whatever you wanna call it) 3%
Transcendant (59) 2.5%
Enlightened (69) 2%
Vacuity (79) 1%
Myriad/Void (89) .6%
Harmony/Discord (99) .4%
Celestial Sage/Demon (100) .2%

So in essence if someone is level 100 and has done their 100 culti they would need 66,954,000 experience total to go from 100->101. Every time they die they lose .2% of that or 13,390.8 experience. Crazy stones f/ level 99+ gives a whopping 354,300 experience so a level 100 (w/ culti done) could die 26x and get the exp back f/ 1 crazy stones. Kinda makes you do a facepalm when you see the #'s at level 100's waiting for rezzes now that you see the #'s don't it? Now a level 101 loses 53,563 exp, a level 102 loses 107,126 exp and finally a level 103 loses 267,816 exp. Now a level 101+ waiting for a rez makes sense and remember w/ a level 10 rez you can make it so they only lose 10% of those previous #'s I just listed.

See your math had them losing 6% experience rather then .06%. See look at what you posted :
67,000,000 x 0.06= 4,020,000 x 0.1= 402,000
It SHOULD have been 67,000,000 x 0.0006= 402,000x 0.1= 4020
But yet this was STILL wrong cuz you had a level 100 losing experience based upon ONLY having their 89 culti done. Most likely they'd have a mininum of thier 99 culti done; thus losing .4% exp or possibly .2% if they have their 100 culti done.

Krisnda - Lost City

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

So happy someone posted this topic.

I mean i dinged 100 a year ago. I got all my sage heals, most of my attacks are sage (damn you tempest and razor feathers!) and I simply refuse to get lvl11 rez. The only way I'm learning that skill is if someone gives it to me for free, AND pays me the 1mil or whatever I need to learn it. Seriously.

I mean a level 100 loses 0.05% for every lvl10 rez they get. When a level 100 cleric towns they lose 0.35%.

I got back to PWI about two months ago at 40 something %. Up until last week I pretty much lived in Nirvana. Because of it, I'm now sitting at 3 something odd %.

So I just cringe when I see someone in faction begging for a cleric with lvl11 rez to go Nirvana when there's 10 perfectly capable clerics around with a level 10 rez willing to go.

I simply drop squad now if someone happens to invite me to a same party that person is in.

I mean sure, I'll get lvl11 rez and Nirvana with you. All I ask for in return is 5 GAs every time I use a key as insurance.

Because I just LOVE people that go "Trust me Ninny, I got this AD!" BOOM!

I know one level 100 cleric in my faction that has lvl1 rez. I would KILL if I could downgrade mine.

I envy you guys (clerics), u guys/girls always take the full penalty for everything while we complain (not me personally). That's what i told my bro (hes a cleric going sage) i told him unless someone pays for it, don't bother with sage revive lol.

Mrvate - Heavens Tear

Rawthorne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wrong and I posted this elsewhere in another thread so I'll copy/paste for you:

ty for the correction. It's good to know.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

I Tested What Rawthorne Posted on my Veno, because I was curious...

Venomancer Level 100 - Cultivation Master of Harmony (99)

Death Without Cleric Rez
Pre-Death EXP: 25,755,831
After Release EXP: 25,488,015
Total EXP Loss: 267,816


Death With Level 10 Cleric Rez
Pre-Death EXP: 25,488,015
After-Rez EXP: 25,461,233
Total EXP Loss: 26,782

So, for anyone who doubts what Rawthorne said, Numbers don't lie.

TY to the cleric who helped me test this. I was curious =D

Rawthorne - Heavens Tear

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I Tested What Rawthorne Posted on my Veno, because I was curious...

Venomancer Level 100 - Cultivation Master of Harmony (99)

Death Without Cleric Rez
Pre-Death EXP: 25,755,831
After Release EXP: 25,488,015
Total EXP Loss: 267,816


Death With Level 10 Cleric Rez
Pre-Death EXP: 25,488,015
After-Rez EXP: 25,461,233
Total EXP Loss: 26,782

So, for anyone who doubts what Rawthorne said, Numbers don't lie.

TY to the cleric who helped me test this. I was curious =D

Damn't I had a decimal point in the wrong place so thx gwen for doing an actual test. So yah a level 100 that has 99 culti done loses 267,816. With 100 culti done they lose 133,908 exp. I'll edit my previous posts later with the correct info.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

I don't think they realize how much this skill costs as it costs a lot being sage.