Sage Cleric or Demon Cleric? why?

_Yukari_ - Dreamweaver
_Yukari_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 28 Arc User
edited August 2010 in Cleric
Title says it all.
Got me confused whether going sage or demon on my cleric.
My survey was 50-50 b:surrender
so i wanna make things clear here
(please state your reason)
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  • Tudordan - Dreamweaver
    Tudordan - Dreamweaver Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Ummmm..........your choice?
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  • Ashivas - Dreamweaver
    Ashivas - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    There's already a thread on this lol. Use search plz.

    Anyways... I am going to go demon in a couple levels for a couple reasons. Purify doesnt cost Chi, I love that. I prefer the reduced channeling on Plume shot since that's easily my most used spell when soloing. Demon wield thunder is beast, follow it up with whirlwind (Extra 600 damage if you're demon) and your opponent is toast. I like how the debuffs either dont debuff yourself also, or they debuff you for a shorter period of time.

    I do like a few sage skills. But these skills listed above are the ones I mostly use. So obviously i'm going demon ^_^'

    Now all I have to do is figure out where the hell i'm going to get all the coins to buy all these skills >.>
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  • JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver
    JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I can't decide about this either.... many ppls say that demon increses defens and atack, so its better for a cleric, but for me sage skills looks better b:chuckle
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  • Sky_Runner - Raging Tide
    Sky_Runner - Raging Tide Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Demon pros:

    -Demon spark is sexy, ijs
    -Demon rez, half channeling time>more range
    -Tanks and BMs will love the demon IH, adds mana
    -Demon MP/HP recovery buff (forgot what it's called)= mana regen (though sage also has it)
    -Demon skills are just plain cheaper

    So I went Demon. (Skills are a huge pain in the **** to find, 50 mysterious pages=around 5 mil and a chance of getting purehearted blessing QQ)
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Demon/Sage Cleric Skill Spreadsheet

    ^ review and decide which better suits your play style


    PS --> I am Sage and <3 it!
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  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sage and I love it.

    Why?

    Cuter fairy :3 Hence my snuggle buddy in my sig.
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  • JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver
    JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I just want to know if its true that demon actualy increase your defens and atack! or its only the skills that make them diferent?b:chuckle
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  • NinnaXXX - Sanctuary
    NinnaXXX - Sanctuary Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I just want to know if its true that demon actualy increase your defens and atack! or its only the skills that make them diferent?b:chuckle

    sage skills are more defence based i guess and demon more attack just an example like sage spark reduces demage to 25% for 15secs, while demon increases casting speed by 25% for 15mins
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  • Ashivas - Dreamweaver
    Ashivas - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I just want to know if its true that demon actualy increase your defens and atack! or its only the skills that make them diferent?b:chuckle

    It's the skills that make the difference in attack or defense. Demon or Sage by themself don't increase anything. It's the skills you get by picking demon or sage that make all the difference.
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sage: Live a bit more to get an extra hit in
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  • JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver
    JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    thanks for your answers! good to know b:mischievous
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  • Umbra - Raging Tide
    Umbra - Raging Tide Posts: 300 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Ashivas - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Now all I have to do is figure out where the hell i'm going to get all the coins to buy all these skills >.>

    I feel your pain. =\

    I have Demon Elemental Seal and Demon Metal Mastery sitting in my bank because I can't make enough money to learn them. I depended on TW pay to learn more than half of those skills. And since TW pay is now diamonds, I can't. b:cry
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    My cleric was initially sage. The main reasons to go sage in all honesty is the killer IH and passive on metal mastery, as well as free RB channeling with magic shell. However, doing BH's I found the demon vanguard and similar skills to be useful in, say, like warsong metal when there was no veno, or before certain rushes or nirvana bosses. Plus debuffs on certain skills are nice. No doubt, I prefer sage's IH, magic shell, and metal mastery, but that's it -- the rest demon (vanguard, stream, WT, chrome, wellspring , demon spark being highly useful [as seen on my wizard] and so on). So, yeah, within 10 mins of my cleric getting his 100 fairy, he switched over to demon. In all honesty though it would have made no difference, and people should choose based on whatever skills bonuses they like.
  • Votum_Laeto - Heavens Tear
    Votum_Laeto - Heavens Tear Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I'm going sage because....

    - Sage Magic Shell (no chi cost) > Demon Spark (costs 3 sparks)
    - Sage Revive + -channeling gear (w or w/o sage magic shell) > Demon Revive
    - Sage Purify (purify entire squad in 9 seconds) > Demon Purify (18 seconds to purify entire squad)
    - All seal debuffs can be purified off of yourself (in regards to the demon seal bonuses)
    - I don't see 1 demon skill that is really great for increasing chi (sage has 2 - the technique & wield thunder)

    - Sage IH + Sage Vanguard Shield > Demon Stream of Rejuvenation (imagine 2 clerics buffing all the members of their squads with these 2 skills before an AoE - one will take 21 seconds, the other 9 seconds)

    - It's easier to increase your critical hit rate by 2% (demon mastery) then it is to increase all your metal damage by 5% (sage mastery) I will add a couple of +crit rings, a tome, etc. to get my crit hit rate equal to yours but please tell me how you will increase all your (metal) damage by 5% all the time to make it equal to mine as sage?


    Some of the things I do like about demon skills are:

    - Ironheart blessing - can use to increase mana on others - it's a great bonus, but sage IH is much better for healing, and if you're really worried about your tanks mana, give him a few potions

    - Siren's Kiss & Razor Feathers cooldown times - minus channeling can always be achieved by -channeling gear, but cooldown & range are something that can never be decreased (that's why sage purify, revive, razor feathers and chromatic heal (skills I use way more often than the AoE's) are so awesome)

    - Spirit's Gift - a normal 1 spark will increase your damage more than a demon spirit's gift will increase it (I used PWCALC to figure that out) (and remember, the spirit's gift doesn't stack w/spark) but even though I can probably 1 spark quite often as sage after 89, it still would be great to be able to use the demon spirit's gift

    - Wield Thunder - I really would not mind having this skill, as my normal attack sequence is WT -> Cyclone -> Plume Shot -> Cyclone
    However, I can't imagine using any other metal skill (thunderball, tempest, siren's kiss) right after WT, so Cyclone would be the only skill that would be majorly affected by demon WT, and unless it increases dmg output to where I use 1 less skill in the sequence, it's not worth it. Also, I still have elemental seal that I can use - it lasts 2.5x as long & I could easily do something like elemental seal + 1 spark + attack (this would affect the dmg from WT as well (not just the metal spells used afterward)), so I really don't think I'll miss demon WT.

    I guess in my view, there are a few 'nice' demon skill bonuses that I wouldn't mind having, but I would really hate to not have some of the sage skills (purify, vanguard, ironheart, magic shell, and more). But that's just how I feel, I know not everyone feels the same (as evidenced by the poster above me who pretty much said the exact opposite of what I'm saying b:chuckle).

    This might help you some - here are the skills listed by their bonuses:
    https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1pj9D0NEU44tlLncGmeXF4kXhddAl70mWFQ1Nh5FGgd4&hl=en&authkey=CMKD2ZcF&pli=1#
    JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    many ppls say that demon increses defens and atack, so its better for a cleric, but for me sage skills looks better

    There are 3 sage skill bonuses that either increase physical defense or decrease damage taken, while there's only 1 demon skill bonus that does. Also, that 1 demon skill has a normal channel + cast time of 3.5 seconds (and more then 3x the mana cost) vs a sage skill with the same bonus that can be channeled + cast in 1.5 seconds.
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