I wonder how can someone afford a lv10 refinement

TheDan - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

I'm a HH farmer b:surrender

Me too, but HH3-3 has gotten over-farmed. People are catching on, and prices have dropped nearly 20%. b:surrender I easily made 100M+ a week 3 manning it. *Takes out my hand dandy notebook.*

Here's what 1 week of 3-3 got me about 1 month ago:

4x Ghost Lord's Protection

3x Illusion Stone

4x Illusion Lord Stone

2x Giant Beast's FootPrint

2x Empire's Sigh

5x Tscuhing's Blazing Wings

1x Heart of Nature

RedsRose - Lost City

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Me too, but HH3-3 has gotten over-farmed.

I don't farm 3-3...You should know that b:chuckle

TheDan - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

I don't farm 3-3...You should know that b:chuckle

I used to do the lower ones too; those were more consistent in the money making, but after getting a red mat in 3-3 I was hoooooooooked on 3-3 forever.

<--- Loyal 3-3 farmer now. Always doing my prayers in hopes of more red mats >< *gambles more* I'm stubborn, and I can't control my gambling addiction b:cute

RedsRose - Lost City

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I used to do the lower ones too; those were more consistent in the money making, but after getting a red mat in 3-3 I was hoooooooooked on 3-3 forever.

<--- Loyal 3-3 farmer now. Always doing my prayers in hopes of more red mats >< *gambles more* I'm stubborn, and I can't control my gambling addiction b:cute

b:chuckle

3-3 is good and can be a gamble. I just get bored in 3-3 and prefer extremely fast runs with consistent and constant money flow. All equals out to about the same though and I will run the occasional 3-3.

The only thing I gamble on is packs...I cannot stop b:cryb:dirty

Michael_Dark - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

b:surrender 4 pieces though b:sad

It is in the same line as farming Rank and Farming +11. It can be done w/o cs'ing. Just takes a plan and time.

You have 4 +10 pieces now?

Oh come on, you didn't farm 100% of it did you? Don't be shy, I know you break down and charge a little every now and then too. b:chuckle

TheDan - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

b:chuckle

3-3 is good and can be a gamble. I just get bored in 3-3 and prefer extremely fast runs with consistent and constant money flow. All equals out to about the same though and I will run the occasional 3-3.

The only thing I gamble on is packs...I cannot stop b:cryb:dirty

LOL. Yeah; the lower runs are much easier to organize if you duo it. Less time finding people, more time Pew Pew-ing.

I gamble on packs and refines, and all the tension and rage is slowly killing me I've managed to +7 about 5 items with tishas. I'm still trying for that darn Scroll of Tome from packs. Btw, have you noticed those white packs (coral/sunshine) have lower chances of winning items? <.<

I heard eating Whoppers increases your chances of winning from packs and refining though. Asterelle has confirmed it with me. b:laugh

Michael_Dark - Lost City

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

LOL. Yeah; the lower runs are much easier to organize if you duo it. Less time finding people, more time Pew Pew-ing.

You can always just solo 1-3 or 2-2. Those are pretty profitable if you're doing squad runs alone.

Telarith - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You can always just solo 1-3 or 2-2. Those are pretty profitable if you're doing squad runs alone.

2-3 is my poison, nothing like seeing an Ancient Devil's Soul drop from AE. Got that happy feeling today, so I'm good for the rest of the week.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Farming 3-2 is epic, at least on Raging Tide.


even if we don't get a gold mat to drop, we sell Tsu's Ghost Masks for 3mil each, minister stones for 700-800k each.


Did 7 runs of it the other day, just to farm the green for my TT99 plate, incredibly easy run.

2-3 is my poison, nothing like seeing an Ancient Devil's Soul drop from AE. Got that happy feeling today, so I'm good for the rest of the week.

50+ belial kills, 1 gold mat b:cry

TheDan - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You can always just solo 1-3 or 2-2. Those are pretty profitable if you're doing squad runs alone.

b:surrender I only did that when I was charmed, but since I hit 103 I don't need charm for FCC, or TW.

Clerics because I can be lazy and spark macro while I tab out and poke around on forums. b:shocked

Remmi - Raging Tide

Keep telling people how to make excessive amounts of coins, it will be the next thing you'll cry about when it's nerfed.

Don't you love bragers...

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

2-3 is my poison, nothing like seeing an Ancient Devil's Soul drop from AE. Got that happy feeling today, so I'm good for the rest of the week.

Last one we got took a while to sell at 13m, and to do belial I at least need a cleric on the run. If I have a cleric I much prefer 3-3, otherwise quick runs for bars/dust/touch suits me well. 2-3 I just stop after antennas. Then again farming 3-2 has become all the rage lately. If I'm going to go through the whole instance, I want the chance at boot/pants/chest/red mats. That's just my preference though.

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:surrender I only did that when I was charmed, but since I hit 103 I don't need charm for FCC, or TW.

Clerics because I can be lazy and spark macro while I tab out and poke around on forums. b:shocked

afk farming. Though it's fun to bring a 8x or 9x along so they can watch you solo. I love seeing nubs with a blank stare as they witness what we're capable of. lol

Remmi - Raging Tide wrote: »

Keep telling people how to make excessive amounts of coins, it will be the next thing you'll cry about when it's nerfed.

Don't you love bragers...

It's going to happen eventually as more people hit higher levels. Don't blame the players, that's all on PWI.

TheDan - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Last one we got took a while to sell at 13m, and to do belial I at least need a cleric on the run. If I have a cleric I much prefer 3-3, otherwise quick runs for bars/dust/touch suits me well. 2-3 I just stop after antennas. Then again farming 3-2 has become all the rage lately. If I'm going to go through the whole instance, I want the chance at boot/pants/chest/red mats. That's just my preference though.

I like how fast and easy the green mats sell from 2-3, but the gold mats take so long to sell that I have needed to fill up entire notebooks with mats from days ago that won't go. b:surrender

Remmi - Raging Tide wrote: »

Keep telling people how to make excessive amounts of coins, it will be the next thing you'll cry about when it's nerfed.

Don't you love bragers...

R U Stupid? I haven't said a word, and it's already nerfed. Due to over-farming in PW-CN, with all the recent coin sinks, people can't afford to pay as much for the mats without charging. HH3-3 now needs mob counts.

It had nothing to do with telling; PW-CN has already done everything they can to make it harder to farm and make money without charging. The only people it hurts are the low-DD people. Now mats sell for more, uncanny prices and HH3-3 prices have gone up. It's driven a LOT of people away from Nirvana simply cause it takes too long for non 5 APS squads.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like how fast and easy the green mats sell from 2-3, but the gold mats take so long to sell that I have needed to fill up entire notebooks with mats from days ago that won't go. b:surrender

Which is one of the reasons 2-3 doesn't interest me. At least Touch is a quick sale. So are the better 3-3 golds. Everyone wants them and since the kill count, they're even selling better and for more money.

Before the nerf, I was seeing people trying to sell Illusion Stone for 16-18m. I sold my last one for 24m and it went quick.

b:pleased

TheDan - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Which is one of the reasons 2-3 doesn't interest me. At least Touch is a quick sale. So are the better 3-3 golds. Everyone wants them and since the kill count, they're even selling better and for more money.

Before the nerf, I was seeing people trying to sell Illusion Stone for 16-18m. I sold my last one for 24m and it went quick.

b:pleased

Yeah, 3-3 armor mats sell very fast, but stuff like Empire's sigh, ADS, Tsuching's Blazing wings sometimes takes me a week to sell.

I like to have people hold their BH3-3 instances for me. Free subs, no worry about mob Kill Count, and just go in to reap rewards with my Farming team. b:laugh

RedsRose - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You have 4 +10 pieces now?

Oh come on, you didn't farm 100% of it did you? Don't be shy, I know you break down and charge a little every now and then too. b:chuckle

Lmao...where have you been? O.o


Weapon --> Tisha'd to +8 and farmed the +9/+10 orbs

Event Boots --> Charged for the Boots for +9/+10 (1st round of anni packs..while ago)

Event Helm --> Tisha'd to +7, farmed for +8 1* orbs, farmed +9/+10

Cloudcharger --> Tisha'd to +7, farmed for +8 1* orbs, farmed +9/+10


I never said I have never charged. But most of my charging was done long ago when I was nub b:chuckle Oh and Mav made me charge $50 for packs weeks back and I charged $50 about a week ago for the wedding. b:surrender

Michael_Dark - Lost City

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah, 3-3 armor mats sell very fast, but stuff like Empire's sigh, ADS, Tsuching's Blazing wings sometimes takes me a week to sell.

I like to have people hold their BH3-3 instances for me. Free subs, no worry about mob Kill Count, and just go in to reap rewards with my Farming team. b:laugh

I have 2 lvl 100 chars, so I do bh 3-3 separate... if you're going to do boot boss, it's silly not to do the whole run. It only takes another 10 minutes at most. I usually do several 3-3's when it's up for BH and it's mighty nice that people are actually willing to drop party before Minister and Illusion Lord. lol I always think, you must be stupid... those two bosses drop the best mats in the game. b:chuckle

TheDan - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Weapon --> Tisha'd to +8 and farmed the +9/+10 orbs

Event Boots --> Charged for the Boots for +9/+10 (1st round of anni packs..while ago)

Event Helm --> Tisha'd to +7, farmed for +8 1* orbs, farmed +9/+10

Cloudcharger --> Tisha'd to +7, farmed for +8 1* orbs, farmed +9/+10

Wow, you've got balls. O_O

I would never attempt to refine my weapon past +6, and armor past +7 without orbs simply cause if you fail back down to 0... you have a lot to lose in mirages.

Maybe it was more feasible during the nein event when mirages were 10.2K each to buy, but with it gone, they're back up to 12K.

I would Q_Q hard if I lost my +6 on my armor or +7 on my weapon.

RedsRose - Lost City

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wow, you've got balls. O_O

I would never attempt to refine my weapon past +6, and armor past +7 without orbs simply cause if you fail back down to 0... you have a lot to lose in mirages.

Maybe it was more feasible during the nein event when mirages were 10.2K each to buy, but with it gone, they're back up to 12K.

I would Q_Q hard if I lost my +6 on my armor or +7 on my weapon.

No...tbh got VERY lucky...5 pieces before the above were tisha'd from +6-+7 in 11 tisha's. The weapon was +5 and it went to +8 on 3 tisha's. TBH...the most frustrating for me is getting a piece to +5 b:chuckle

And I had thousands of mirages bc of 100bh and HH's...I have even done MORE then few pieces for guildies and friends with my own mirages. b:surrender

TheDan - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

No...tbh got VERY lucky...5 pieces before the above were tisha'd from +6-+7 in 11 tisha's. The weapon was +5 and it went to +8 on 3 tisha's. TBH...the most frustrating for me is getting a piece to +5 b:chuckle

And I had thousands of mirages bc of 100bh and HH's...I have even done MORE then few pieces for guildies and friends with my own mirages. b:surrender

Hax, can I have some of your lucky mirages?

My 500 couldn't even +5 yesterday. -_-

RedsRose - Lost City

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hax, can I have some of your lucky mirages?

My 500 couldn't even +5 yesterday. -_-

b:shocked

I would have stopped tbh...

I do +3 with mirages then use Tiek for +4 and +5. Arch elder or 1k Elder. I think 250-300 is the most I have ever used for +5 o.o

tweakz

People sure do a lot of complaining about cash shoppers but I'll credit my +10 refine to the Nien Beast event and BH100.

TheDan - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

b:shocked

I would have stopped tbh...

I do +3 with mirages then use Tiek for +4 and +5. Arch elder or 1k Elder. I think 250-300 is the most I have ever used for +5 o.o

My luck is gone; I used to be able to +5 in under 100 mirages.

I tienkang +3 +4 +5, tisha + 6 +7... but I never do elders in the big cities.

Duke Black said refining with a lot of people around you lowers your success rate, and it always seems to fail when there's too many people around me so I like to hide. xD

RedsRose - Lost City

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

My luck is gone; I used to be able to +5 in under 100 mirages.

I tienkang +3 +4 +5, tisha + 6 +7... but I never do elders in the big cities.

Duke Black said refining with a lot of people around you lowers your success rate, and it always seems to fail when there's too many people around me so I like to hide. xD

+6 and on I use lands...although all my +7's have been in Tradewind (a +4 land) b:surrender

tweakz

I think Duke Black's tips are largely based around the fact that random numbers are contrived through a temperature reading on the cpu. That's to say that if you have a successful refine that hitting the refine button asap gives you a better chance of that temperature (success) again. People being around would cause lag which could interfere with getting a timely result. Same can be said for a fresh boot, fast computer, etc. -All to do with how the success is determined (temperature). I suspect this is a major reason for the wait periods on crafting.

TheDan - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

+6 and on I use lands...although all my +7's have been in Tradewind (a +4 land) b:surrender

I like Hidden Orchid for +6, and Broken plain is nice to me for +7.

I don't think it actually increases odds, but I like that extra glimmer of hope because I get really tense when I refine. b:surrender

tweakz wrote: »

I think Duke Black's tips are largely based around the fact that random numbers are contrived through a temperature reading on the cpu. That's to say that if you have a successful refine that hitting the refine button asap gives you a better chance of that temperature (success) again. People being around would cause lag which could interfere with getting a timely result. Same can be said for a fresh boot, fast computer, etc. -All to do with how the success is determined (temperature). I suspect this is a major reason for the wait periods on crafting.

This sounds reasonable... Sometimes when I fail, I'll faill 10 times in a row, but when I succeed, I can succeed 5-6 times in a row.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

tweakz wrote: »

I think Duke Black's tips are largely based around the fact that random numbers are contrived through a temperature reading on the cpu.

The servers run on Linux, and if you want to read about the entropy generating secrets of the Linux RNG there's an excellent paper on the subject: http://eprint.iacr.org/2006/086.pdf

However, I don't know if the servers actually use the Linux kernel to get their random numbers. They may just use a simple linear congruential generator instead, which is nothing more that repeatedly multiplying and adding the same number again and again, then dividing the result and using the remainder as your "random" number.

One thing I can confirm, though, is that all numbers come from the server. Nothing that your client machine does affects the results.

azukaya

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

For the people who have been here almost 2 years, it isn't too bad really. They should have most if not all end game gear (currently before next update), and able to farm end game instance daily for coins. Earning around 3-6 million coins per run right now if no golds drop, up to 20 mil if an ADS does. Even just doing around 5 a week nets a hefty amount of money to buy orbs with when sales hit. Had 300 gold saved to get 4 ocean orbs to +10 my weapon and pants, but sunk that into getting end game cape after a few weeks of no ocean sale. Building back up again, and eventually will upgrade to doing 3-2/3-3 runs hopefully in time for next X2 event.

It's mostly about constantly upgrading gears/refines/sharding to constantly increase your daily income. Can merchant in between when saving up for something, but I don't like going full merchant as I actually like to play my character. Just have to find the right medium of playstyle for you, that let's you build up your revenue. But if you're not going to zhen, you're going to need to spend a couple years like the rest of us slowly building your fortune up to get started.

Where do you farm the the end game instances?
What is ADS?
With 3-2/3-3 runs, you mean TT/HH runs?
Sorry for the questions. I am still lv70.

azukaya

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

It used to be pretty easy to make obscene amounts of money.

At one point I was making:

70m per week from Nein event (I squaded an alt b:shutup)
20m per week from selling City of Abomination rings + badges
30m per week from farming 3-3 / Nirvana / WBs
40m per week from merchanting

Nowadays I make maybe maybe half that? I dunno...

What do you mean with "(I squaded an alt)"?
by the way, the nien event can be done in teamwork?
Whit 3-3, you mean TT/HH, doesnt it?
What does WBs mean?

azukaya

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

b:surrender 4 pieces though b:sad

It is in the same line as farming Rank and Farming +11. It can be done w/o cs'ing. Just takes a plan and time.


And lol TheDan...HAI!! b:cute

Farming +11, is trying to get lv11 refinement?

what is "w/o cs'ing"?