Beating General Wurlord

DarkMix - Lost City
DarkMix - Lost City Posts: 19 Arc User
edited August 2010 in General Discussion
Alot of people have trouble with this boss, saying they need 2 clerics, high lvl barb, high lv

cleric. Well, they help but this boss is still really tough. After running many fail hh2-3 runs,

i discovered an easier way to kill him. All you need is a bm that knows Shadowless Kick.

What makes this skill so special is because it can cancel the channeling of attacks. General

Wurlord pretty much owns with his magic attack and thats how parties get ***** all the

time. The bm just needs to time his shadowless kick between the bosses' magic attack

interval (which is like 8-9 seconds). This helps the cleric heal the tank easily and the barb

takes less damage. When you first lure him with a veno or genie, make sure the bm goes

in first and cancels the magic attack, then the tank runs and grabs aggro. The bm has

gotta watch for the interval because sometimes the attack doesn't hit at the right time.

Once hes dead, just repeat the process until you get those expensive mats. Hope this

helps people the didn't know.b:pleased
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  • C/LLlE - Heavens Tear
    C/LLlE - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Or the barb can do the cancelling himself with Alacrity. Often, if someone else starts cancelling, it will just throw the barb's timing off.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    DarkMix - Lost City wrote: »
    The bm just needs to time his shadowless kick between the bosses' magic attack interval (which is like 8-9 seconds).


    Shadowless Kick's cooldown is 12 seconds, so how is that gonna work out?
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  • Ranfa - Dreamweaver
    Ranfa - Dreamweaver Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Shadowless Kick's cooldown is 12 seconds, so how is that gonna work out?

    This is why I prefer BM to tank Wurlord.
    An interval BM can alternate between Shadowless and Spark to block all of his magic attacks while doing excellent damage. This also allows him to use physical marrow to decrease the melee damage taken. Between physical marrow and BB, a BM with decent HP can easily tank Wurlord. However, the BM would be wise to carry around True Emptiness on his genie in case his Shadowless misses (rarely happens, but it has happened to me before) as a OH **** button.

    I duo Wurlord in 2-3 easily with 1 Cleric this way.
  • Asperitas - Lost City
    Asperitas - Lost City Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Ranfa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This is why I prefer BM to tank Wurlord.
    An interval BM can alternate between Shadowless and Spark to block all of his magic attacks while doing excellent damage. This also allows him to use physical marrow to decrease the melee damage taken. Between physical marrow and BB, a BM with decent HP can easily tank Wurlord. However, the BM would be wise to carry around True Emptiness on his genie in case his Shadowless misses (rarely happens, but it has happened to me before) as a OH **** button.

    I duo Wurlord in 2-3 easily with 1 Cleric this way.

    Smack is also good if you don't have enough interval to consistently spark resist.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Or the barb can just use alacrity to cancel it. Alacrity, unlike shadowless, gets reduced cooldown everytime it's leveled. Level 10 is 8 seconds I think. Demon alacrity has 7 second cooldown.


    If your barb is decent then having a BM cancel just makes things harder for the barb as it messes up the timing.
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  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited August 2010
    Veno pet cancel skill syncs with most bosses perfectly.
  • Rule - Heavens Tear
    Rule - Heavens Tear Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Or just have a wiz range tank it. BB\IH is still preferred to reduce charm ticks but a wiz with 5k hp and decent fire resists should not have significant trouble with just 1 or the other and the occasional pot.
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I didn't even know people had problems with Wulord anymore.

    I duo it with 1 cleric and i guess i could use genie skill to interrupt but i rather use poison or frenzy so he dies faster. Sometimes i have to use ToP + event pots to avoid getting killed b:sad. But i just triple spark on him with claws and he dies before i die lmao.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    we did it in our late 70s and 80s. 90s and above shouldnt have no trouble on this boss
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    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Just bloodpaint solo it with mage marrow on and Demon Bell spam.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    I didn't even know people had problems with Wulord anymore.

    I don't think there is a boss that doesn't cause problems.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Umm... there are several ways of doing Wurlord with a BM and one ep.

    If it's a 2 person party... you can spam mdef charms or you can cancel.

    I like the Shadowless Kick > Smack > Shadowless Kick > triple spark resist > rinse/repeat until dead.

    A barb shouldn't have any problems tanking it. The only ones who really need to be creative are the BMs.

    I'm still trying to work a 2 person Belial,.. it's actually not Belial that gives me the issue, it's really trying to clear the 3 adds that spwan. After the mobs are dead, the boss isn't difficult to solo tank. I gave up after 3 attempts. I'm sure if I tried harder I'd get a system down. I really can't be bothered though.
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  • Lenore - Harshlands
    Lenore - Harshlands Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Umm... there are several ways of doing Wurlord with a BM and one ep.

    If it's a 2 person party... you can spam mdef charms or you can cancel.

    I like the Shadowless Kick > Smack > Shadowless Kick > triple spark resist > rinse/repeat until dead.

    A barb shouldn't have any problems tanking it. The only ones who really need to be creative are the BMs.

    I'm still trying to work a 2 person Belial,.. it's actually not Belial that gives me the issue, it's really trying to clear the 3 adds that spwan. After the mobs are dead, the boss isn't difficult to solo tank. I gave up after 3 attempts. I'm sure if I tried harder I'd get a system down. I really can't be bothered though.

    After the mobs spawn, go back into the portal to unaggro everything. Then just jump down onto the sides and lure the mobs and kill them at the side without aggroing Belial.

    Unless your problem was getting the mobs to spawn together. I am an archer so I have STA for that, don't know if you wanna stand there and dps Belial down a few % tanking the mobs as they spawn one by one lol.
  • Conavar - Heavens Tear
    Conavar - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Umm... there are several ways of doing Wurlord with a BM and one ep.

    If it's a 2 person party... you can spam mdef charms or you can cancel.

    I like the Shadowless Kick > Smack > Shadowless Kick > triple spark resist > rinse/repeat until dead.

    ^^ Pretty much that for Wurlord, not hard just takes thought and timing.
    I'm still trying to work a 2 person Belial,.. it's actually not Belial that gives me the issue, it's really trying to clear the 3 adds that spwan. After the mobs are dead, the boss isn't difficult to solo tank. I gave up after 3 attempts. I'm sure if I tried harder I'd get a system down. I really can't be bothered though

    Tried attacking till adds summon then fleeing through tele ? Jump back down then lure the add's one at a time to the wall so can DD from range.

    Belial himself is pretty easy ( even possible to do with a few charm ticks and no cleric as I had no choice but to find out yesterday .. Sturborness wouldnt let me reset him .. again lol )
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Oh yeah, I know to go to the portal to reset the mobs.

    It's killing all the adds without aggroing more of them or belial *after* I've done this. but after a full lap Belial and the other adds would be right on top of me. Hmm... perhaps I just need to run up the side of the wall as he and the other adds pass.

    Like I said I've only tried it 3 times with a 2-person bm/ep party.
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Oh yeah, I know to go to the portal to reset the mobs.

    It's killing all the adds without aggroing more of them or belial *after* I've done this. but after a full lap Belial and the other adds would be right on top of me. Hmm... perhaps I just need to run up the side of the wall as he and the other adds pass.

    Like I said I've only tried it 3 times with a 2-person bm/ep party.

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  • Chillum - Dreamweaver
    Chillum - Dreamweaver Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Oh yeah, I know to go to the portal to reset the mobs.

    It's killing all the adds without aggroing more of them or belial *after* I've done this. but after a full lap Belial and the other adds would be right on top of me. Hmm... perhaps I just need to run up the side of the wall as he and the other adds pass.

    Like I said I've only tried it 3 times with a 2-person bm/ep party.

    From the runs i've done (with your good pal Paramedic b:mischievous) there is a sweet spot where, if you can drag the mob to where you can attack without aggroing the passing mobs or boss.

    I don't remember precisely which spot it was but I believe it was at one of those points where 2 of the straight sides meet at the lava floor. (I realise this perhaps isn't the most descriptive and helpful. Apologies.)

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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Umm... there are several ways of doing Wurlord with a BM and one ep.

    If it's a 2 person party... you can spam mdef charms or you can cancel.

    I like the Shadowless Kick > Smack > Shadowless Kick > triple spark resist > rinse/repeat until dead.

    A barb shouldn't have any problems tanking it. The only ones who really need to be creative are the BMs.

    I'm still trying to work a 2 person Belial,.. it's actually not Belial that gives me the issue, it's really trying to clear the 3 adds that spwan. After the mobs are dead, the boss isn't difficult to solo tank. I gave up after 3 attempts. I'm sure if I tried harder I'd get a system down. I really can't be bothered though.
    A guy in my guild solos belial.


    He aggros the boss and then immediately pulls it to the very edge of the little bowl. Im not sure if it just needs to be lured to the edge of if there is a certain spot, but he's able to pull it to the side without aggroing any mobs and able to kill belial without having any mobs attack.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Chillum - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I don't remember precisely which spot it was but I believe it was at one of those points where 2 of the straight sides meet at the lava floor. (I realise this perhaps isn't the most descriptive and helpful. Apologies.)
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    He aggros the boss and then immediately pulls it to the very edge of the little bowl. Im not sure if it just needs to be lured to the edge of if there is a certain spot, but he's able to pull it to the side without aggroing any mobs and able to kill belial without having any mobs attack.

    Yes, I know where the 'sweet spot' is, and that's for ranged... Here's Chesedude doing it, notice he's doing the mobs with a bow.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/chezedude#p/u/3/ADQLLFsjoNY

    My main issue being a melee class is getting all the mobs killed without aggroing them alll. sure I have no problem pulling one... killing them all one by one as a melee isn't the same as an archer doing it with a bow.

    Perhaps I should actually put some effort into trying and just get it done.
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  • Chillum - Dreamweaver
    Chillum - Dreamweaver Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Yes, I know where the 'sweet spot' is, and that's for ranged... Here's Chesedude doing it, notice he's doing the mobs with a bow.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/chezedude#p/u/3/ADQLLFsjoNY

    My main issue being a melee class is getting all the mobs killed without aggroing them alll. sure I have no problem pulling one... killing them all one by one as a melee isn't the same as an archer doing it with a bow.

    Perhaps I should actually put some effort into trying and just get it done.

    My mind might be playing tricks on me but I think there was a run or 2 where a BM turned the mob with their back to the wall in or around the sweet spot.

    Try at your own risk.... b:shocked
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Chillum - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    My mind might be playing tricks on me but I think there was a run or 2 where a BM turned the mob with their back to the wall in or around the sweet spot.

    Try at your own risk.... b:shocked

    Was it just a 2 person party?

    I have no problems if you can add an extra DD in there, it's just doing it with myself and a single ep that's the issue.

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  • NoImKrel - Heavens Tear
    NoImKrel - Heavens Tear Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    barb is better and oh guess what..a psy can cancel for ya too.I have tanked wurlord before though i rather have a barb do it...like my alt!
  • Chillum - Dreamweaver
    Chillum - Dreamweaver Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Was it just a 2 person party?

    I have no problems if you can add an extra DD in there, it's just doing it with myself and a single ep that's the issue.

    FWIW, I'm not major cash shopper or major merchant refine god.


    Nah. Think it was more or less a full party with the BM tanking the mobs.

    I imagine you do better mat wise and therefore financially concentrating on 3-x runs.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Chillum - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Nah. Think it was more or less a full party with the BM tanking the mobs.

    I imagine you do better mat wise and therefore financially concentrating on 3-x runs.

    Actually I find 1-3 and 2-2 to be the best runs for money in a small squad. 3-3 is great if gold drops, but you can do a number of runs without getting any. 1-3 and 2-2 will at least get you enough mats to profit.

    I also don't have anyone showing me how to do it. I just do a run every other week for belial to see if I can pull it off. If I sat there and tried a few times in a row I could probably manage it, but I give up too easily. b:surrender
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    @wulord

    how badly canceling him messes up barb's timing? i ask cuz i do that too pften and never heard barb complaining..

    but i wonder now if i actually were more disturbing than helping =o


    @balial

    in few 'corners' where belial dont pass by so close. then adds in right order


    ranged one is most fun. i knew just 2-3 people who can lure it properly
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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Before hypers, before packs, before interval, it was still easily doable with a competent team of 2x clerics and a barb in the 7x. Dont see how a bm's kick would be better than a barb's alacrity.
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  • Kokoa - Sanctuary
    Kokoa - Sanctuary Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Before hypers, before packs, before interval, it was still easily doable with a competent team of 2x clerics and a barb in the 7x. Dont see how a bm's kick would be better than a barb's alacrity.

    well, yeah, before all of those things came out. while a barb's alacrity is better, the DPS of a 5.00 BM totally makes up for it.
  • Arliana - Dreamweaver
    Arliana - Dreamweaver Posts: 410 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    unless u have sage shadowless kick, u'd better have amazing timing.
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Kokoa - Sanctuary wrote: »
    well, yeah, before all of those things came out. while a barb's alacrity is better, the DPS of a 5.00 BM totally makes up for it.

    If you put it that way.. a party of 5aps doesnt even need a real plan. A barb wouldnt even need to use tiger (not like one can with claws). Just smash the heck out of any boss. Also.. if you have 5aps I doubt you would be one having problems with wurlord anyways.
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  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited August 2010
    Or let the genie do all the work. Level 1 lightning chaser + level 10 earthquake on a high energy regen + dex genie.

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