TW update [not a flame, just a poll]

vristion · August 2010

Well Im sure we all know WHO will get that ubber peice.

Kiaxn - Archosaur · August 2010

ok i get the money not getting back .. but seriously how the hell are mirages for tw earnings going to help? I already have too many mirages as it is .... this isnt going to spin out of control .. then people wonder why im going to quit this game.

then too Devs are too lazy to see what ppl think on the forums anyway so what does it matter me posting here anyway

only relyable ppl are the gms
Devs couldnt care less

Solandri - Heavens Tear · August 2010

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

rofl at mod trying to cover pwi's ****'s. The gold prices are up because of tw funds? I'm sorry, thats simply not true. Gold prices only change when you release those stupid packs.

Basically, if you see ~110 of those duke shouts for a perfect token of best luck, that represents as much coin being added to the game as from the weekly TW payout. I'm pretty sure the stupid perfect tokens account for 5x or more coin entering the economy than TW. And that's probably a lot lower than during the first 5 iterations of packs.

Dellores - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But its true though. Less coins in the game means less coins to buy gold with. People seem to forget it is the buyers who determine price, not the seller >.>

The change will help slow the rise of gold prices, but in and of itself it won't cause gold prices to fall much. Except for bids and repairs, TW isn't a coin sink. All those charms, refine stones, gear, etc. people talk about buying with gold simply represent coin being transferred from one player to another.

Dellores - Dreamweaver · August 2010

Honestly, I say leave TW for the people who love and enjoy it. Those who would do it for free, and hell even lose money do it (gasp). Those looking out to get some some kind of advantage from it, good riddance

MagicChu - Sanctuary · August 2010

My prediction for this patch is that it doesn't stop Fake bids but actually Enable more effective fake bids and tracking these fake bids will be next to impossible.

1. Before this patch, fake bids can be seen by merely looking at the refund value of the faction bidding. Fake bidding factions often has less than 50 mill refund. With the new system we will not be able to see this and won't be able to tell if a faction bidding is fake or not. Then there would be no way for a legit faction to out bid the fake bidder. No fun price bidding wars.

2. Since bidding is secretive, we have no idea how much to spend on a bid. If you need to protect a land, you can just fake bid for a ridiculously high amount. No one will know who did it, they won't know if it's fake, and they won't know to report. Fake bidders often bid high amounts of money, it's the regular factions that bid low amounts. This system favors fake bidders.

3. The reward system was good to begin with. Since the patch to reduce 20% of the DQ cost, coin sources have dropped. Most of the coin sources nowadays are from token of best luck and TW land rewards. TW rewards are now removed, so the only way to make major coin is to buy more packs. This is a good move on PWE's side but it messes up the regular players. Regular players can't spend hundreds of dollar cash to open packs for coins. This will cause a rift between cash spender and grinders.

4. The TW reward system was NEVER the reason why gold prices shot up as high as it is. Before the packs were out, factions in the respective servers already owned most of the land. Despite getting so much coins in TW rewards Gold was never higher than 150k. I remember because I have been playing PWI for that long... >< . The reason why Gold prices shot up was originally the Chest of Coins and secondly the packs.
The Chest of coins assures that gold prices will never drop below 200k per gold because it only takes 5 gold for a perfect hammer to get 1 million coins in chest of coins. The chest of coins are trash items. People have thousands of them laying around or throw them away.

5. All in all I see this update as a horrible way to boost TW enjoyment and reduce gold prices. You are focusing on the wrong target to reduce gold prices. This patch focuses on regular players who don't spend cash to get coins. It targets and harms the regular players and rewards the cash shoppers. I forsee a huge problem in China's PW and probably they will either redo the TW system again or face extinction.

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BTW to play devil's advocate: The GM in PWI has no choice in implementing this patch. From what I have observed in all this time playing PWI, the GM in the International servers follow exactly what China tells it to do. Every single Chinese patch update has been applied here. All the GM are doing now is rationalizing a good reason to have this patch despite it being incredibly horrible for most of the player base. Blaming the GM in PWI for these patches probably won't change anything. The MY-ENG GMs though took a different path and had to remove end game gears from the packs. However, unlike PWI, they were facing the brink of bankruptcy because they lost so many players that they had to merge servers. Maybe our GMs will do that once that happens here as well.

Reds_Lady - Heavens Tear · August 2010

I like this update. Hopefully it will give smaller factions a chance in TW when the larger, higher leveled factions lose some of their greedy members and bring it back to being about fun rather than just about the money.

Coraline - Lost City · August 2010

I lol at the people(GM's included) who think gold prices are affected by TW salary...DanteII, do you remember when CQ took over the map? Do you remember how many threads there were saying that CQ will drive up the gold price because of them owning the map? None of that happened. As people stated before, it was the perfect hammer, and the packs and the 10 million note that made gold into the 400k-500k range.

I know GM's have to have enough game experience to become one..but it should be the same for the Devs in china or even here. It would be like me being on the game development for another game and me not even spending anytime in the game....but I have it in my head that my changes are for the good because I designed it.

Um about TW pay, TW is not profitable at all, and its insulting for people to say that it will make all the greedy players stop doing TW. I personally look forward to TW all week. Its fun, it energizes me, great TW videos are made, guild bonding experience etc. If anything, I think it will make it worse to TW. More people will be trying to earn money, making the market prices go down, w/e...maybe idk. Its stupid. The pay for TW goes to my charm for that weekends tw, and it continues like that. The only time I make a profit, is if we don't do a TW one weekend and I still get paid from last weeks TW.

To many players, myself included, TW makes this game worthwhile. Other people said that it shouldnt be the only thing...but honestly...after as long as most of the players have been playing for, it usually comes down to TW and Friends as being the reasons why most are sticking around even through packs, DQ changes, rare things appearing in Cash Shop and all of the other ****.

And to the people who say it will make you have more skill in TW than before..I dont think thats true. In a game that came out last year that was p2p...it was balanced...no +12 weapons against +5 gears. This game wasnt designed so everyone could be balanced..Its designed on who can farm/charge money to get +'d up gears. If a highly skilled player with only +5 gear fought a +12 everything, the +12 will probably win most of the time unless the person just face rolled on the keyboard...but hey that might make them win the fight anyway. In the p2p game everyone had the same and the only big difference was based on your personal skill.

Russiee - Raging Tide · August 2010

Aryannamage wrote: »

I agree with this update for one simple fact.

This WILL drive the Goldprices down and quite quickly too. How much money will be taken off the servers every week with this? Less money to spend equals lower goldprices.

First thoughts when I read Kantos patchnotes which are I believe still in the admin forum was:

Yes goldprices down!

And then...

Uh oh people won't understand that.

This will drive prices down BY MAKING PEOPLE QUIT.

Andareil - Lost City · August 2010

WTB> Dislike button on facebook so PWI gets more dislikes than likes :<b:angry

Lythianaa - Dreamweaver · August 2010

Andareil - Lost City wrote: »

WTB> Dislike button on facebook so PWI gets more dislikes than likes :<b:angry

that's going to cost a lot of gold :[

Longknife - Harshlands · August 2010

People never like change unless it's regarding some major glitch. Of course people will vote "no."

Amencat - Sanctuary · August 2010

yea down with those greedy hyper mega rich TW factions,

finally everyone can enjoy tw!!

finally the economy prices will go down!!

b:dirty WE ARE HAPPY PEOPLE!!! b:victory b:bye

Chovan - Harshlands · August 2010

Maybe it's just me and I'm missing something here.

You get 80 people organised for TW, pay upto 1.6m for towers (if you build them all), fight for up to 3 hours over land for what???

150 mirages which on HL the price is about 12.5k each (1.8m for the 150).

So if you built all the towers you make 200k, not counting charms, repair bills, cata scrolls and rez scrolls?

Way to de-value TW completely in 1 go.

Desdi - Sanctuary · August 2010

From the point of view of a faction leader who has half of the map of PWI it's frustrating.
From the point of view of an ordinary player it's fun because I'm tired of all those people who join factions just for money.

I don't know what I truly feel about the changes. Rich people will still have a lot of money and TWs won't change that.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · August 2010

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

From the point of view of a faction leader who has half of the map of PWI it's frustrating.
From the point of view of an ordinary player it's fun because I'm tired of all those people who join factions just for money.

I don't know what I truly feel about the changes. Rich people will still have a lot of money and TWs won't change that.

A great comment that is not tainted by pointless QQ.
Nothing else to add.

WnbTank - Archosaur · August 2010

Aryannamage wrote: »

I agree with this update for one simple fact.

This WILL drive the Goldprices down and quite quickly too. How much money will be taken off the servers every week with this? Less money to spend equals lower goldprices.

First thoughts when I read Kantos patchnotes which are I believe still in the admin forum was:

Yes goldprices down!

And then...

Uh oh people won't understand that.

As long as there are packs, gold prices won`t go too down. You can totally see when packs aren`t on sale, I think our gold prices on Archosaur are 150k higher than during the time packs were out of boutique for 2 days. Sure gold prices drops 50k, but that may be it, w/o constant pack sales you would drop gold prices a lot more. So arguments how this is done to drop gold prices just sound plain stupid when you could do so much more, with less QQ. I don`t think we see any major drop in gold prices, I can be wrong, I hope I am, sadly I don`t see myself being wrong.

Foxgrit - Lost City · August 2010

It will take 6 months before there will be any real change in gold prices. Coin will have to be slowly bled out of the system. If people stop TWing all together then this will be an even slower process.

The reason that gold prices skyrocketed during the first pack sales and has never went back is because there were already people who had insane amounts of money stocked up due to TW and merchanting. This will remove the TW money and mat prices will drop due to people wanting quick money. There are a few wildcard factors which could come into play here and I am not in the mood to write a novel explaining all the possibilities of what could happen.

I totally agree with this change though since most of the possibilities of what could happen are a good thing.

Angel_Mew - Raging Tide · August 2010

I like how the faction that owns 75% of the map on our server is being hit hard. I don't like the repercussions on the economy. Anything to make QQme share though may be somewhat worth it.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · August 2010

Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »

It will take 6 months before there will be any real change in gold prices. Coin will have to be slowly bled out of the system. If people stop TWing all together then this will be an even slower process.

The reason that gold prices skyrocketed during the first pack sales and has never went back is because there were already people who had insane amounts of money stocked up due to TW and merchanting. This will remove the TW money and mat prices will drop due to people wanting quick money. There are a few wildcard factors which could come into play here and I am not in the mood to write a novel explaining all the possibilities of what could happen.

I totally agree with this change though since most of the possibilities of what could happen are a good thing.

This introduces more coin for 1 player than TW pay does for someone in a faction that owns half a map.

Duke shouts: Let it be known that *user* has recently acquired Perfect - Token of Best Luck.

Completely disregard the above statement by the Duke, it obviously plays no impact on the economy at all, at least to you.

b:bye

Dsholder - Dreamweaver · August 2010

Aryannamage wrote: »

I agree with this update for one simple fact.

This WILL drive the Goldprices down and quite quickly too. How much money will be taken off the servers every week with this? Less money to spend equals lower goldprices.

First thoughts when I read Kantos patchnotes which are I believe still in the admin forum was:

Yes goldprices down!

And then...

Uh oh people won't understand that.

I've already seen gold rise on my server. If less people buy gold for TW for charms then won't that make the gold rise? I really think gold will increase because of this because those buying zen can sell for as much as they want.

Starr - Harshlands · August 2010

Aryannamage wrote: »

I agree with this update for one simple fact.

This WILL drive the Goldprices down and quite quickly too. How much money will be taken off the servers every week with this? Less money to spend equals lower goldprices.

First thoughts when I read Kantos patchnotes which are I believe still in the admin forum was:

Yes goldprices down!

And then...

Uh oh people won't understand that.

i remember when people said this after packs came out. in another month when gold prices are even higher than now, i will refer to this post and giggle. you must have missed the new packs that will drive up prices more than any other item.

mirages are basically worthless. i think i have a bit over 2k in my bank atm. with tw pay being switched to mirages the market will be even more flooded and they will be completely worthless other than to npc.

i won't waste time in tw. owning land is now pointless.

Magiere - Dreamweaver · August 2010

Starr - Harshlands wrote: »

i won't waste time in tw. owning land is now pointless.

Ever heard of the word "fun" ?
Who cares if you get coins or not, fighting in a TW freaking rocks.
I gladly pay every coin i got during the whole week to have a nice TW.

Fun > greed

Starr - Harshlands · August 2010

Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ever heard of the word "fun" ?
Who cares if you get coins or not, fighting in a TW freaking rocks.
I gladly pay every coin i got during the whole week to have a nice TW.

Fun > greed

maybe it is fun for you and that is great. but 6 hours of tw a weekend for say 3 mirage is just a waste of my time. fighting in tw stopped "freaking rocking" for me about a year ago. now it is just who has cash shopped more than someone else.

lazor · August 2010

The ONLY thing i DO not like aboput this new updat is the chat system..it is ugly and annoying...I also dont agree with the new tw payouts...and I am 1 that does not tw. The people that tw DESERVE to be rewarded and not in a medal or cele stones. True cala owns most the map but that gives other guilds incentive to take them down. Now there is NO incentive.

_Dorieus_ - Archosaur · August 2010

if the packs raised gold prices, the coin was already there, and the gold prices only went up because all the people that had all the gold suddenly wanted gold to buy packs to get richer.

the update is good, things will balance out in time, less coin just mean everything will go down in price, and if everything goes down in price, everything will ultimately still have the same value.

Without tw pay though, it will eventually be more equal footing for any faction who wants to tw, and the factions who own most the map will have to earn their money the same way every1 else does, its honestly very fair.

Stop being greedy.

Oneji - Heavens Tear · August 2010

Aryannamage wrote: »

I agree with this update for one simple fact.

This WILL drive the Goldprices down and quite quickly too. How much money will be taken off the servers every week with this? Less money to spend equals lower goldprices.

First thoughts when I read Kantos patchnotes which are I believe still in the admin forum was:

Yes goldprices down!

And then...

Uh oh people won't understand that.

Stop lying to yourself we all know your paid to say these thingsb:chuckle. But anyway almost everybody knows that it is the packs that is inflating gold.Seriouly they came out again today and now gold is 500k b:cry(QQ more).

StinkyFish - Lost City · August 2010

i love this new update

Aeyris - Sanctuary · August 2010

Aryannamage wrote: »

I agree with this update for one simple fact.

This WILL drive the Goldprices down and quite quickly too. How much money will be taken off the servers every week with this? Less money to spend equals lower goldprices.

First thoughts when I read Kantos patchnotes which are I believe still in the admin forum was:

Yes goldprices down!

And then...

Uh oh people won't understand that.

You're exactly right, which is why I disagree with you.

Awarding mirages for TW is the most asinine thing this game has EVER done. I thought I was okay with it at first, because the TW facs could sell the mirages to catshops then split the money among their members, BUT this will drop the prices of mirages to trash-value. Seriously, TW is fun, but you're taking the competition out of it...and therefore snatching the fun, too.

As for lowering gold prices; seriously? By doing this and expecting gold prices to drop you aren't evening out the economy you're going to send it pit-falling.

TW update [not a flame, just a poll]

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