[Discussion of Territory War Changes 8-5-10]

Boots_Elf - Sanctuary

frankieraye wrote: »

If larger factions decide not to use charms or even participate, doesn't it actually make it more likely for smaller factions to bid on their land?

Not if they cant afford it. Secret bidding and no refunds.. Why would they risk it. Small factions have enough trouble raising money to TW, now not only will they not know if their outbid or not, but they wont get their money back if they are. Why do you think there aren't TW's going on every weekend. Last weekend there wasn't even a dozen. Cause the smaller factions need a few weeks to a month to raise that kind of dough. Now you aren't giving them their bid back if they lose the bid. EPIC FAIL PWI.. I dont TW for the money or the gears.. (a trophy btw that is randomly given out for gear that hasnt even been developed or released yet..lmfao on that one) I do it for the fun, but no small faction is gonna risk their money and their players money to TW if they dont have the chance to recoup it for a failed bid. And Im sick of hearing thats its Chinas fault cause players there are exploiting the game.. Wake up.. this isnt the China server.. You guys apologized up and down about the **** we went through with DQ's being Chinas fault and you would make it up to use.. NOT!!!

MiniDusk - Heavens Tear

NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »

What he meant is that it doesn't matter if we discuss it or not, the company you work for will ignore our concerns no matter how great they are. You made this thread just so all of our concerns could shoved into one thread to ignore, instead of several.

THANK YOU! Two of my threads have already been deleted within one minute of posting like they didn't matter at all! b:angry All I asked was who was leaving Heaven's Tear because of this so I know who to say good-bye to. And all I've seen is answers being side-stepped (as usual) by uncaring GM's who just don't give a damn. *waits for this to be deleted too.* ,,l,, And for once, I completely agree with everything that Tremble has said.

Loltank - Harshlands

Hey Ary, how about you stop deleting legitimate posts where people respond to GMs with legitimate criticism?

I realize you may need to delete things that can be construed as offensive, but the GMs are big boys and girls. They can take what we have to say.

You might as well just lock the thread, for all the good it's doing.

susamajiii

GMs don't like when you call them out they ban you QQ. Ban someone for having the balls to call you out on something lol you're like the fat kids in school that got picked on that grew up to be bus drivers and kicking kids off the bus just cuz you don't like the way they are behaving. Shame.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Now people will actually work for their coins and stuff worth 100m+ will be worth less since there won't be as many coins and people will not be able to afford those crazy butt prices.

<- Wants gold worth 200k? b:thanks

About those who say packs do inject too much money into the game, really?, well, nothing to do because people still buy them, so deal with it or leave, as simple as that.

Contradict yourself much?

So you want people to actually work for coins, how? By buying more packs?

Idiot.

b:bye

JockeySuaves - Dreamweaver

150 mirages....

LOL!!!

b:bye

Kohai - Lost City

Thanks to the huge cashshopper factions for overhelming the whole map. This is prob the thing y the TW thing got remaked.

Sherae - Lost City

just going to reiterate the fact they just said we want gold prices to go down ... right after they introduced +12 orb packs... so that u can see just how hypocritical that is

they are probably taking tw money away so we are forced to charge to buy this stuff

wraithkiller69

Sherae - Lost City wrote: »

just going to reiterate the fact they just said we want gold prices to go down ... right after they introduced +12 orb packs... so that u can see just how hypocritical that is

they are probably taking tw money away so we are forced to charge to buy this stuff

Would love a GM response to this please. (Like we will get it)

IsisBlack - Lost City

frankieraye wrote: »

Her response was removed for breaking the forum rule "Mouthing off at the GMs".

As you can see, there are plenty of negative posts in this thread that have not been removed.

LMAO Mouthing off at the Gms?

If I'd spent money on this game just to have it be ruined I think I'd rage at you people too. I'd stop pissing off the people that provide your pay checks.

Tibam - Lost City

Nice, i think it is a good update. most of the people who play PWI doesnt get money from TW.
so now the fortunes who some people have are gonna stop growing so fast b:laugh and they are gonna need to work hard to keep that up b:chuckle

(and PWI is gonna get more money of course >3>)

Conavar - Heavens Tear

Boots_Elf - Sanctuary wrote: »

Small factions have enough trouble raising money to TW, now not only will they not know if their outbid or not, but they wont get their money back if they are. Why do you think there aren't TW's going on every weekend. Last weekend there wasn't even a dozen. Cause the smaller factions need a few weeks to a month to raise that kind of dough. Now you aren't giving them their bid back if they lose the bid. EPIC FAIL PWI..

+1

Pretty much my view on the new bidding

Laylor - Heavens Tear

not like is the GM's fault.
They are just paid to tell lies, and do what "others" want.
PWI has a fail marketing management, that is.

Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide

if they wanna stop fake bidding.. how about a IP ban..
IJS u take out the alt and the Main problem solved
b:laugh

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Nomos - Lost City wrote: »

No charms? Makes everything seem balanced, right? No. For ranged/magic classes, it becomes a cakewalk. All they have to do is roll their faces on their keyboards while melee classes die very quickly.
After about maybe two weeks of this happening on a serverwide basis, if the insignificant 1 mirage celestone wasn't enough to break them, many guilds will start to give up on TW completely. The economy would crash as well. The large amount of revenue that the developers and GMs earn from this game will start to decrease, as there will be no motivation for the level 90+ players (which make up a large portion of the game) to continue playing, since TW is the most exciting attraction for them. People will stop bidding entirely, and 65% of the players will leave.

reminds me of tw in 2008

WillowGirl - Dreamweaver

Okay. Putting my own 2 cents in. Can't help myself. It's 12:45AM and servers are down, what else is there for me to do?

Blahblahblah, I'm in a faction that holds most of a map, yippee. Get that out of the way.

WARNING: Wall of text to follow.

Now. Mirages? Really? And Rank 9 badges? Huh?

I'm sorry, but I have just under 8k rep. WTH am I gonna do with a Rank 9 badge? Sorry, I'm not a huge cash shopper, I don't have thousands to spend on PWI to buy myself up some rep. Sure, sure, farm, merchant, make money some way, some how, and get myself to Rank 8.. okay.. in about 9 years... PWI has already had almost 2 years out of me... Now you're asking too much.

Will I quit the game? Well sure, probably, someday. But will I quit the game because my TW pay was taken away? Um. No. That's just... well, I'm an older gamer so, as an adult, a parent, I feel I can safely say, "Put your big girl panties on and stop whining."

Was I happy when Anniversary packs came out? Gosh no, the stupid Duke shouting all day made me want to beg for a blacklist button for him. But I did get plenty of laughs with my friends when we'd see the same names over and over again and say stuff like "Oh boy, you just spent a couple hundred bucks on some pixels, rock on, fool. Sure you can spend money on the game, but I bet you don't get laid too often."

I probably opened a good 50 of those packs, heck, maybe more. Guess what I got. One. Platinum. Charm. Boy, oh boy, thanks. Oh, and tokens, gobs of tokens. I was in with the MP and HP foods for months!!

What did people say when hypers came out? "Oh, that's a level 100 hyper baby, has the levels and the gear but no skill to speak of." You can't really learn THAT much about PWI if all you do is spend all day grinding or in FC, letting some uber high levels run your through your FBs in 4 minutes flat. I remember when an FB19 could take hours and the people who actually ran them were *gasp* LEVEL 19!!! But whatever.

The point I'm trying to make is that PWI is constantly evolving, from new classes to packs to weddings in a real church and now mirages for TW pay. And look what we've all done, those of us who've stuck with it, who've plodded along to finally get to whatever our personal goal is. WE'VE ADAPTED.

I remember when gold was 100k each - and I couldn't afford it then b:laugh Over a year and a half, gold prices have quadrupled, and why? Because those people with those credit cards buying up that gold and sticking it in the AH KNOW that there are people out there with enough coins to buy it at 400k+.

I think what PWI has done here may actually benefit the economy of the game itself. I don't care how much money PWE has or how much they gain or lose - I'm interested in the GAME. Think now, those factions on all the servers who own all the maps... Think of the BILLIONS of coins now removed from the economy. Well who the heck is gonna buy gold at 400k now? Certainly not me. And all those cash shoppers will have little choice but to lower their gold prices if they have any hopes of making money that way. And with lower gold prices, what happens? ALL prices drop. You can't charge 3.5 million for a platinum charm anymore if gold is only worth 100k apiece, now can you?

I play the game because I enjoy it, I enjoy the friends I've made, the fun I have, the good times and laughs. I love hearing all those voices on vent and seeing the silliness that can sometimes infect faction chat. There are days that I laugh so hard I cry. PWI doesn't give me that, only the platform for it, and PWI cannot take that away from me no matter how much I get or don't get from a TW. There is so much more to this game than TW - I spend maybe 6-7 hours MAX a week in TW - and those are darn rough weeks. I probably play PWI 30-40 hours a week some weeks - I'm a stay-at-home mom/student, so shoot me :P. TW is only the smallest fraction of that time - and no, the rest of my time is NOT spent trying to prep for TW, farming, whatever. I can farm all the herbs I need in just a couple of hours. I can spend a day in TT farming mats. I can spend a day in FC getting some experience. Sometimes I help out on level-100+ BHs just for something new and interesting to do.

I just leveled to 99 yesterday. My goals have not been reached. I want to see 100, Nirvana, new BHs, new instances, and anything else PWI decides to throw at me in the future. Oh, and I'm getting married for the first time I'll get to have a big fun wedding with games and prizes for my friends, I'll get to do marriage quest - and I'm always looking for new things to try that I've never done before. PWI still has plenty to offer me and everyone else - if you could only look away from the negative for a little and see there is still some good to be had.

I remember days of doing justice quests over and over again because there wasn't much of anything else to do... Now I haven't done a JQ in... well... since Dreamweaver opened Has been a long, bumpy ride, but it's never been boring Everyone just think long and hard about what it is that brings you to your computer every day, what makes you click that icon and start up PWI. If it's TW pay, good riddance. If it's friends, family that cares for you, makes you smile, makes you laugh, well - you haven't lost that yet

Thanks if you made it to the end... if you didn't... who cares? Nothing we say here will really ever matter anyway

Edit: OH! And all you people wanting to talk about "end game" well... umm... where's the end? I don't see the end. When I hit 100, will the game cease to exist? This is a game without end - unless enough people stop playing and PWI shuts down, that is. And then what? Awesome job, you wasted all your time and money and for what? To quit? You must see a doctor, a shrink, and explain that somehow you've completely forgotten how to have fun - you know, the reason you started to play to begin with?

Aquilez - Sanctuary

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

this weird, i went to bed one night that had maintence with gold prices being around 200k, the other day i open boutique and saw some anniversary packs there, and prolly it was just a coincidence that that same day gold price went to over 500k in sanctuary

then this year packs were gone (for like 1 month?) and again as some huge coincidence gold price was going down(around 280k if i remember well), but devs couldnt let players without our "loved" anni packs, then guess what............gold price was again at 500k, but no problem it has to be coincidences.

but you are right, the gold price at 400k is because of the TW, wo way packs can be blamed about that

i can just say i'm not wasting my money with this game anymore until fair changes are made

and to whoever think i'm greedy, i dont care about tw payment, i just know that smaller factions wont have motivation to atack big factions, sanctuary 2nd strongest faction dont atack us and dont defend, what motivation a weaker faction will have to bid knowing that they dont even get bid coins back if they loose bid spot? i only want TW for fun but without people atacking us that wont happen

i know my english isnt that good and i know i suck at writing walls of text =P, just hope you can understand what i mean

still waiting for "insert censor name here" to be released

Kinjeto - Raging Tide

JockeySuaves - Dreamweaver wrote: »

150 mirages....

LOL!!!

b:bye

Whats wrong with this picture? 6 mil for CHARM? Yeah sure no prob

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Contradict yourself much?

So you want people to actually work for coins, how? By buying more packs?

Idiot.

b:bye

Whine whine whine...

It is called grinding, zhen, merch, not just sit on the computer for 30 mins, some cases less than that and getting 3m payment from going on TW.

MedAlert - Raging Tide

Until you see the damage done to the economy like it was in PW MY you will not understand. I don't understand the " NO REFUND" policy if you are out bidden but I guess that part my be greed on the behalf of the devs. We do need something to keep the economy from going bad.

/aIentine - Archosaur38

*facepalm*
Everyone else has said what I'd like to.

Oh. Aside from this:
LF> New game, PM me, thanks.

b:thanks

Vyxxee - Sanctuary

I'll just be happy if all the people who type QQ in every thread quit.

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear

So....why is it only PWi is in such a **** hole?

Is it because the CM's are worse? Maybe more ppl watch the updates and forums?

idk....all I know is...that all the other games PWE has going atm are fine and fun....PWi is getting a MASSIVE SHAFT WITHOUT ANY LUBE.

erethizon1

I just wanted to chime in to pat PWI on the back for a positive change. Gold has been overpriced for a long time because coin is too easy to make and TW is one of the biggest culprits when it comes to flooding the world with coin (mainly because such a huge amount of coin is produced in such a short period of time). Anything that destroys coin (such as not having bids returned) or prevents coin from being made (such as not giving coin to the TW winners) is a positive change to PWI. Good job.

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear

any chance PWI asks community before introducing such a big changes?

Celestyna - Heavens Tear

Rikuza - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Again,not every faction strives to get TW land for simply money.For some of us its been a coin sink for so many months its not funny,and we still show up all charmed all apoth all ready to roll?

It depends how your faction is built and what people are used to.

TW Will Still be the Funnest Thing Around .Im used to farming for my charms everyweek:Maybe ya folks should try it too.

gonna be on the minority on this and agree with Riku. the money i get from doing tw? i make more doing my bh or a nirvana run, I do tw because I enjoy it and loyalty to a guild i love. when i get money in the mail from tw it doesnt even phase me.


the only part of this change i dont care for is the silent hidden bidding since you wont know if you will be able to tw until its all done. keep the money but at least show us via the tp master who has the bid so we can rebid somewhere else if we are outbid

KittyChow - Harshlands

we are not PW china yet we receive their punishments for what they do.
decreased npc prices of drops
no more tw pay
guess what kids now gold prices will drop
all you whyo wanted lowerer gold prices got it hope yer happy.

Alliekatt - Lost City

LOL @ the gms banning someone just cause they don't like what they're hearing. nice horrible abuse of power/censorship. Also to the gm that posted on like billions of pages before.
"A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained. "
This is completely untrue. I spent probably 5 mil+ each week on war with a 3 mil salary. yeah i sure am sitting on a big fat paycheck. Enjoy losing your cashshoppers. What's the point in improving your gear, spending hours farming/spending irl cash...to win at tw? Why to get a bunch of mirages?

Aubree - Dreamweaver

KittyChow - Harshlands wrote: »

we are not PW china yet we receive their punishments for what they do.
decreased npc prices of drops
no more tw pay
guess what kids now gold prices will drop
all you whyo wanted lowerer gold prices got it hope yer happy.

I am thanks b:cute

GHealz - Archosaur

for non cash shoppers like me this cripples wat ever chance i have at saving up for TT99 gears or wep, this TW pay cut only affects us non cash shoppers not the cash shop ones cuz they can simply charge zhen and get gold....the gms responses have shown me that they are indeed stupid and think we are of equally low intellect, plz dont give of ur written out bs, which seems to be the reason u all take long to respond,
this wont help, fake bidding will now run rampant due to this shadow bidding format,
the only reason there is inflation is due to the packs and always was and always will be.
u all have finally destroyed this game and u devs and gms are at the pinnacle of stupidity...
is see this golden goose isnt laing anymore eggs