Blade Tempest

Optic - Lost City

There may or not be a thread on this already, but I'm too lazy to check so...

What is the physical attack on blade tempest based on? b:cute

Burnout - Harshlands

Optic - Lost City wrote: »

There may or not be a thread on this already, but I'm too lazy to check so...

What is the physical attack on blade tempest based on? b:cute

base magic attack + 200% weapon damage + 6200

Optic - Lost City

That's both physical and magical, I want to know what the physical is based on.

truekossy

It's based on exactly what he said.

Much like how Bramble Rage does both wood and earth damage based on the same attributes and base damage.

Zaelmith - Sanctuary

Optic - Lost City wrote: »

That's both physical and magical, I want to know what the physical is based on.

The physical damage has the same numbers as the magical one.

"base magic attack + 200% weapon damage + 6200" - magical damage
+
"base magic attack + 200% weapon damage + 6200" - physical damage

u make the total and u get blade tempest.

(least those are the numbers for the sage/demon version of BT)

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

use bt or bids on.. lets say a target with 10k hp 10k pdef and 10k mdef ?

Aquagirl - Raging Tide

@OP - base magic attack. As the description says.
As far as usage go...BT has only a 400 weapon multiplier, BIDS has a 500 weapon multiplier.

normal shot will almost always be better with BIDS, unless is a magic res mob. Sparked BT will hit harder than BIDS because base magic attk is taken into consideration twice.

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver

Aquagirl - Raging Tide wrote: »

@OP - base magic attack. As the description says.
As far as usage go...BT has only a 400 weapon multiplier, BIDS has a 500 weapon multiplier.

normal shot will almost always be better with BIDS, unless is a magic res mob. Sparked BT will hit harder than BIDS because base magic attk is taken into consideration twice.

thats nice for pve in pvp i would say its like that

BT better against

cleric
wiz
psy
veno

BIDS better against
BM
Archer
Barb
sin

PrettySammy - Sanctuary

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

thats nice for pve in pvp i would say its like that

BT better against

cleric
wiz
psy
veno

BIDS better against
BM
Archer
Barb
sin

Generally correct except here at sanctaury Linchen and Goosey started a whole heavy armor veno revolution. So with Veno i'd prolly say BIDS/MS unless your certain its an LA / AA veno.

In general BT rocks though

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Aquagirl - Raging Tide wrote: »

@OP - base magic attack. As the description says.
As far as usage go...BT has only a 400 weapon multiplier, BIDS has a 500 weapon multiplier.

normal shot will almost always be better with BIDS, unless is a magic res mob.

Not quite.

BIDS has a higher constant damage, though. But much less total weapon damage. Base magic attack is at least 100% weapon damage itself. Every 1 magic adds 1% more weapon damage, and for BT that's double.

Amour - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Not quite.

BIDS has a higher constant damage, though. But much less total weapon damage. Base magic attack is at least 100% weapon damage itself. Every 1 magic adds 1% more weapon damage, and for BT that's double.

wat.
BT is 200+200 and bids is 500. How is 400 > 500?

Aquagirl - Raging Tide

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Not quite.

BIDS has a higher constant damage, though. But much less total weapon damage. Base magic attack is at least 100% weapon damage itself. Every 1 magic adds 1% more weapon damage, and for BT that's double.

are you on crack?

at one moment BT will almost always out-damage BIDS.
hard to believe it if you look at number descriptions, but it is.
My wiz hits a lvl 1 mob with a tripple sparked BT for 75k and a tripple sparked BIDS for 64k.
I give tripple sparked numbers because the difference is bigger with tripple spark.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Aquagirl - Raging Tide wrote: »

are you on crack?

at one moment BT will almost always out-damage BIDS.
hard to believe it if you look at number descriptions, but it is.
My wiz hits a lvl 1 mob with a tripple sparked BT for 75k and a tripple sparked BIDS for 64k.
I give tripple sparked numbers because the difference is bigger with tripple spark.

but but but but but undine?

fulgida

Amour - Lost City wrote: »

wat.
BT is 200+200 and bids is 500. How is 400 > 500?

I think he actually had a sort of a point there:

BT has a multiplier proportional to (100 + magic + 200) * 2 or 600 + 2*magic
BIDS has a multiplier proportional to (100 + magic + 500) or 600 + magic

Of course this ignores defenses, masteries, and critical chances...

Burnout - Harshlands

I posted the damage formulas in a past post awhile back after a bit of testing, on mobs BT will ALWAYS hit harder than BIDS. BT is special because it deals both physical damage and it's our hardest hitting attack. After undine the damage somewhat equalizes, but then BT also has the advantage of the genie skill spark for 100% fire reduction.

Generally in pvp I use BT instead of undine, mostly because either will usually kill, but BT only takes 1 spark half the time which is helpful for pvp.

If the target is cleric and BM buffed mountain's seize or BIDS is clearly superior, but it differs from target to target.

fulgida

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

I posted the damage formulas in a past post awhile back after a bit of testing, on mobs BT will ALWAYS hit harder than BIDS.

I believe you have decided to ignore critical hits. (And a few other issues, such as fire immunity or immunity to physical damage.)

That might not be the smartest choice you have ever made.

Burnout - Harshlands

fulgida wrote: »

I believe you have decided to ignore critical hits. (And a few other issues, such as fire immunity or immunity to physical damage.)

That might not be the smartest choice you have ever made.

you don't use BT on a fire immune or physical immune mob...Ice dragon or just gush....

DDEShare - Raging Tide

Can I just get a confirmation: The skill description for BT is counted twice, once as fire damage, once as physical damage, and then they are added together? The two damages are also completely independent of each other, ie, the physical aspect will only be affected by pdef, and similairly for the fire part?