how much would a brother of fear cost

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Of course I'm not going to compare my damage index to that of a +12 Nirvana weapon. Are you an idiot? I was posting the eye of observation showing the 19k-19k matk of a +12 Nirvana magic wand. Maybe you should go back and read the context of WHY I actually posted it? I just didn't blacken out mine because I would get lol'd at for doing so, and I honestly don't care how I compare to your server's biggest cash shopper. Hurr Durr. Make yourself look more foolish please. b:bye

You did before, in another thread. Same person you brought upin this one. But that thread was closed and I can't find it.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You did before, in another thread. Same person you brought upin this one. But that thread was closed and I can't find it.

That was showing the matk of the +12 Nirvana weapon because, to paraphrase 'omg a mage can't have that high of damage on PWI that must be from a private server...'.

I only posted a screen to my char information when my 'horrible mdef' was questioned. Ya know, when you get a mdef buff from a cleric, if you refresh those buffs before they're worn out, the mdef buff doesn't refresh. Are you familiar with that concept? I'm not making that up, really. /facepalm

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Found it, you said "End-game BM +11 Deicide 5aps. Cleric buffs, my mdef had just worn out. Elayne +12 Nirvana wand, ep buffs, hell stone barrier" You soooooo did compare....

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=804842&highlight=nirvana&page=6

If you think end game is +11 diecides.. yea I see why you QQ about endgame wizards.

and LOL Ajay is a merchant not a cash shopper. He 100% no cash..

Etaerc - Lost City

Why are we comparing ajay to michael_dark again? What does this prove about end-game mages/warriors?

Each class excels in different areas and situations and what it really boils down to is simply opinion.

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Etaerc - Lost City wrote: »

Why are we comparing ajay to michael_dark again? What does this prove about end-game mages/warriors?

Each class excels in different areas and situations and what it really boils down to is simply opinion.

Why? because he is all over forums puffing himself up then QQing about wizards one shotting him. And in that thread tried to compare his lame damage to that of a +12 nirvana wep. If he feels weak, it his build, and not that wizards are OP.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why? because he is all over forums puffing himself up then QQing about wizards one shotting him. And in that thread tried to compare his lame damage to that of a +12 nirvana wep. If he feels weak, it his build, and not that wizards are OP.

I don't get one shot by wizzards, even Ehee and Elayne need to 2-4 shot me.

Borsuc is the one saying that wizards aren't OP at all. Is that what you believe?


Here, since you don't seem to remember the context of the discussion, I've copied and pasted it to show you how stupid you really are.

Could you take me even more out of context?

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Tygurr - Sanctuary wrote: »

How is it even possible to have attack damage of 15834-21272 (or anything similar)?? I think this is really from a private server. O.o

My mdef buff had just expired.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

No wonder you say wizards are OP when your gear sucks in comparison to the examples you find OP. Even with that makes your base attack the same (if you take attack rate into account, and wizzies can't cast 1 spell/sec) while your magical defenses are absolutely terrible. Refine those elemental ornaments to +12 before making an opinion against a +12 weapon. Or just use marrow. b:bye

My mdef buff had just run out. You've heard of that bug, of course you know everything don't you?

Post an eye of observation of yourself. BTW I have 10k hp unbuffed and +11 claws. Idiot.

With cleric buffs and marrow up:



Time to post yours, mr 3.7k hp wizzie.

b:bye

Do you *really* think one has to +12 their ornaments? lol

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Sigh... nice try but I found the post and you clearly compared your damage... calling +11 deicides "endgame for BM... to a +12 nirvy wep mage. If that wasnt bad enough you left that part out of the the post you made here.

Bodine - Dreamweaver

LOL i remember reading this post in the past and laughing at it you "idiot" (nice use of the word in every post btw) it seems you edited your post so it didn't look like you were comparing yourself to a wiz with +12 wep.... and why is your crit and mag def so low for a fist BM? Also just so you know Ajay is not a cash user at all... he just knows how to work hard and play the game b:laugh b:victory

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

oyamajio wrote: »

Roid, I know the build I show is pretty much where you're heading to, just change weapon and robe. These guys are no different from those who didn't believe Warsoul is obtainable without cash-shopping until someone got it. It's a long term build, but my point was simply to show that every class can kill each other. No one has the advantage over the others. When you got hit by endgame damage, you start to QQ this class is better than the others. How noob is that.

Actually, I'm not going for vit stones. I'm going for +2 defense stones and not going for that much dex on barb because I'm not planning to use fist/claw anymore. I'm planning to get that much dex for my axe/claw bm alt that I'm making so they can share gears. Vit stones won't help you from getting one shotted from wizards. It's a wake-up call when a 30k+ HP barb with max socket Vit stones everything +10 gets one shotted by wizards.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sigh... nice try but I found the post and you clearly compared your damage... calling +11 deicides "endgame for BM... to a +12 nirvy wep mage. If that wasnt bad enough you left that part out of the the post you made here.

lol link?

The reason I took the screenshots in the first place were to prove the point that A) mages do horribly insane damage in PvP, and because my mdef was called into question, the exact same reasons I posted them this last time, both for borsuc, becuase he thinks end game mages are so weak compared to everyone else and he always repeats the same arguments.

Not once did I even try to compare my CV claws to +12 Nirvana. The first discussion was about people with Warsoul weapons and how I was stupid for suggesting a mage to get one rather than an OP fist BM, if I recall correctly. My point was only that end-game mages are really OP at end game. It's not a QQ it's the plain truth. Even mages with insane mdef are easy prey for +12 Nirvana weapons, let alone anyone with a warsoul.

So who do you think would be most OP with a Warsoul weapon? That was the context of the discussion before the last one I pointed out.

b:bye

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you think end game is +11 diecides.. yea I see why you QQ about endgame wizards.

Best end-game fist/claw is either Lunar or TT100. If you think it's Nirvana, you don't know enough about BMs. Also, TT99 armor with two pieces of Nirvana is end-game for BMs.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

You said my argument about +6-+8 claws couldn't compare.

You're wrong, they're not +6-+8, they're +11.

You're wrong, I wasn't comparing them. I was explaining what you're seeing on the eye of observation.

Yes, I see where I said I was end-game, and for the most part I am, short of refines on my gear.

You do realize that you're wrong on every one of your points and you KEEP misrepresenting what I've said.

Please, keep taking me out of context. Because you're just that brilliant.

Read the sentence I was replying to that's quoted directly beneath this.

Michael_Dark wrote:

He said "you do realize mages are most powerful PvP class" or whatever. I say "you do realize you speak nonsense?". Where is the difference? Just opinions.

LOL! What game are you playing? Did you buy your account? Seriously... hahaha

End-game BM +11 Deicide 5aps. Cleric buffs, my mdef had just worn out. Elayne +12 Nirvana wand, ep buffs, hell stone barrier:



You probably don't even know what these numbers mean so I won't bother to explain.

Oh, and you seem to think my mdef sucks.... here's my char sheet with cleric buffs and mmarrow up:



What were you saying? Oh yeah, nothing of significance.

Oh, by the way, do you know anything about endgame Nirvana weapons for BMs? You would need to get TWO -interval adds to keep your attack rate or you have to gimp your defenses by using LA adorns or armor. And BTW, I am going to try for Nirvana weapon, but until I get 2nd cast AND good stats (which could be right off the bat or 2 dozen rerolls later) I won't use them because quite frankly, they'll make your char do more damage, but suffer from having to go to 2 pieces of LA. That's a compromise I don't want to take.

b:bye

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Best end-game fist/claw is either Lunar or TT100. If you think it's Nirvana, you don't know enough about BMs. Also, TT99 armor with two pieces of Nirvana is end-game for BMs.

Lunar claws on first casting of nirvana do more damage than not being nirvana'd. + I know tt100 could be considered engame. I know enough about BM's.. so yea.

@ Micheal

Not once did I even try to compare my CV claws to +12 Nirvana. The first discussion was about people with Warsoul weapons and how I was stupid for suggesting a mage to get one rather than an OP fist BM, if I recall correctly. My point was only that end-game mages are really OP at end game. It's not a QQ it's the plain truth. Even mages with insane mdef are easy prey for +12 Nirvana weapons, let alone anyone with a warsoul.

If that were true you wouldn't have said this..

End-game BM +11 Deicide 5aps. Cleric buffs, my mdef had just worn out. Elayne +12 Nirvana wand, ep buffs, hell stone barrier

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@ Micheal

If that were true you wouldn't have said this..

*sigh* I said that to explain what you're seeing, not directly comparing them. If I had posted that without saying what I had, I'm sure someone would say, 'well, what's your gear like?

Here, I fixed it for you.

Yes, mages aren't very good at end-game PvP and always get PWND by fist/claw BMs. Their damage just sucks. All the time. No exceptions /borsuc



edit: But how lame is ^^^^ that. I hate when people post Eye's on other people's gears but hide their own information. No worries, if I ever need to post this again, I'm going to use this one from now on. b:surrender

Bodine - Dreamweaver wrote: »

and why is your crit and mag def so low for a fist BM? Also just so you know Ajay is not a cash user at all... he just knows how to work hard and play the game b:laugh b:victory

My crit is low because I don't use the crappy LA neck or Warsong belt? And 21% crit for a BM is low?

Ajay not a cash shopper? With full +10-+12 gears and vit stones? Everyone who has a full set of +10 4 socket gears loaded with vit stones that say they don't cash shop are liars.

Here's my current build... it's quite modest and rather average. Please tell me what I need to do except refine?

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ac8941a74a154064

Oh, will you post yours too?

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Best end-game fist/claw is either Lunar or TT100. If you think it's Nirvana, you don't know enough about BMs. Also, TT99 armor with two pieces of Nirvana is end-game for BMs.

2nd recast nirvana with adv revenge and 2 -.05's

or 2nd recast with a single -.05 and the sage armor setup and again adv revenge

decide has g 13 base so the g 15 claw overtakes it from unrefined onwards

tt 100 is g 13 and refines as g 13 so at higher refines g 15 claws trump it hands down

hat nirvana chest nirvana legs nirvana and possible cape nirvana if that comes out (if it does with -.1 then could go full nirvana with no int loss) still thats an easy 3 item nirvan a setup max

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

2nd recast nirvana with adv revenge and 2 -.05's

or 2nd recast with a single -.05 and the sage armor setup and again adv revenge

decide has g 13 base so the g 15 claw overtakes it from unrefined onwards

tt 100 is g 13 and refines as g 13 so at higher refines g 15 claws trump it hands down

hat nirvana chest nirvana legs nirvana and possible cape nirvana if that comes out (if it does with -.1 then could go full nirvana with no int loss) still thats an easy 3 item nirvan a setup max

You are correct. However, getting -0.05 x2 takes way too long to be reasonable end-game build. If there will be a new source of -0.05 int, like the cape you mentioned, Nirvana claws/fists will be new end-game since it's not that hard to get -0.05 on them. Still waiting to see Rank 9 ring, it might come with -0.05 int. (The -0.1 Rank 9 ring was photoshopped).

anwynd

wizards are pretty OP when you think about it & see there damage plus they got range on there side i would be scared being a mellee going up against something tht hits like 15 sky scrapers crashing down on top of you & also has some rlly great defense & has range on there side hmm now tht i look at this i feel like lvling my wizardb:avoidb:laugh

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

You are correct. However, getting -0.05 x2 takes way too long to be reasonable end-game build. If there will be a new source of -0.05 int, like the cape you mentioned, Nirvana claws/fists will be new end-game since it's not that hard to get -0.05 on them. Still waiting to see Rank 9 ring, it might come with -0.05 int. (The -0.1 Rank 9 ring was photoshopped).

4 aps base build replace deicide/tt100 with nirvana with 1 -.05 add

would put you at 3.33 sparked to 5 aps

dont get where this "need more int" is comeing from

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

2nd recast nirvana with adv revenge and 2 -.05's

How many of those have you seen? I'm fairly certain nobody on PWI has Nirvana with 2x -0.5 int on them. At 9 raptures per re-roll, you may never get 2 -int adds.

or 2nd recast with a single -.05 and the sage armor setup and again adv revenge

And you'll be 4aps sparked unless you want to gimp your defenses with LA adorns for extra damage.

decide has g 13 base so the g 15 claw overtakes it from unrefined onwards

tt 100 is g 13 and refines as g 13 so at higher refines g 15 claws trump it hands down

Ok, you're talking out of your **** now. TT100 Refines as G13, Lunar G13 refines as G14 (or G15 depending on who you want to believe) and the refine is the same as Nirvana. Only the base damage on Nirvana is higher.

G11/G12/G13/G14 2nd Map Helm and 3rd Map Boots also refine the same as Nirvana, no matter which grade. You usually only see the G14 helms though because not many people actually farmed the G11/G12s.

hat nirvana chest nirvana legs nirvana and possible cape nirvana if that comes out (if it does with -.1 then could go full nirvana with no int loss) still thats an easy 3 item nirvan a setup max

Still just a rumor. Even PW-CN doesn't have -0.1 interval cape, if they do we'll certainly hear about it.

b:bye

Aubree - Dreamweaver

My crit is low because I don't use the crappy LA neck or Warsong belt? And 21% crit for a BM is low?

Ajay not a cash shopper? With full +10-+12 gears and vit stones? Everyone who has a full set of +10 4 socket gears loaded with vit stones that say they don't cash shop are liars.

Here's my current build... it's quite modest and rather average. Please tell me what I need to do except refine?

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ac8941a74a154064

Oh, will you post yours too?

Bodine is archer not bm, but if you want my opinion...

1. Ajays gears are NOT all +10-12, his TT100 fist are +11 with garnet gems. His nirvy hat is +4, chest is +7, his nivry legs are +10, his wrists are +4, lunar cape is +5, feet +7, +7 mag resist cube neck, LA belt... well you get the picture...He isn't the cash shopper you think he is.. he is a merchant. I helped farm A LOT of that gear. Oh yes he does have almost full vit stone and some Jade of Def, he worked his butt off for them too.. Not all his gears are 4 socket either..don't believe me? Well hop on over to DW and catch him sitting in catshop at south arch. He isn't a cash shopper, but he knew exactly what he was doing before he did it and focused on it.

2. Replace those immacs with Perfects, you can farm wb to get them.

3. After sharding for better hp, sink some of that vit into dex. Ajay is a 3 vit bm. His accuracy is OVER 9000 buffed.


Play with that calc a little more. BM's are probably the best class to play IMO. They get amazing damage + survivability.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Bodine is archer not bm, but if you want my opinion...

1. Ajays gears are NOT all +10-12, his TT100 fist are +11 with garnet gems. His nirvy hat is +4, chest is +7, his nivry legs are +10, his wrists are +4, lunar cape is +5, feet +7, +7 mag resist cube neck, LA belt... well you get the picture...He isn't the cash shopper you think he is.. he is a merchant. I helped farm A LOT of that gear. Oh yes he does have almost full vit stone and some Jade of Def, he worked his butt off for them too.. Not all his gears are 4 socket either..don't believe me? Well hop on over to DW and catch him sitting in catshop at south arch. He isn't a cash shopper, but he knew exactly what he was doing before he did it and focused on it.

2. Replace those immacs with Perfects, you can farm wb to get them.

3. After sharding for better hp, sink some of that vit into dex. Ajay is a 3 vit bm. His accuracy is OVER 9000 buffed.

Play with that calc a little more. BM's are probably the best class to play IMO. They get amazing damage + survivability

1) Ok, you made him sound like some cash shop god. I believe you. All that is attainable with merchanting... I fully refined my Lunar to +11 as well as purchased my tome by merchanting. Full +10 set wouldn't be very believable at all. I'm never going to be that 14-15k hp unbuffed BM and I won't try to pretend I will be.

2) My immaculates are just taking space until I replace them with jades/vit stones because they're cost effective. For an extra 12 hp per stone, it would be a waste to put perfects in only to purge them a few months down the road. 195 extra HP for 64m? (4m x 16) That would purchase 3 vit stones here for an increase of 300 HP. Not a sensible option. Of course I wouldn't buy them, I would just request them for world boss points... actually using them instead of selling them would be a waste. My refines suck, those need to come first.

3) I can't afford to restat my vit right now. As I said in another thread, I'm in the primary TW DD stun team.... meaning I'm basically asked to suicide a lot running up to +12 8jun archers and mages, +12 Nirvana and Lunar bows... and a fair number of people with +11 and +10 weapons. Any less HP and I would die far too much to my liking.

Anything more than 200 into dex is a waste... it should be put into strength. Also notice I'm wearing a CoA ring. Right now I need the extra vit and dex, but when refines permit I'll replace it with another Lunar ring. If you need more accuracy than 2 Lunar + 200 dex, you're really doing something wrong. Pop an accuracy pot.

edit: and I don't need to play with pwcalc. I know my build and it's strengths, weaknesses and limitations. My asking for advice was sarcastic and rhetorical. b:surrender

Aubree - Dreamweaver

I think dex matters a lot, same for accuracy when you are up against those 8jun archers. Also the amount of damage compared to yours, I think stems from crit rate. He does have close to 300 dex with gears.

One more thing, your wizard had cleric spirits gift buff, I am assuming. Ajay did not have titans which would have increased his damage index. BM and wizard damage is comparable. It's just that wizards will come all at once, while BM is over time.

One more thing, I will say I admire your responsibility and loyalty to your faction. It seems a very nice faction to be in.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think dex matters a lot, same for accuracy when you are up against those 8jun archers. Also the amount of damage compared to yours, I think stems from crit rate. He does have close to 300 dex with gears.

Accuracy is only important against archers. There is only a handful of archers that I can't kill first. The ones I can't are mostly the massive cash shoppers that have spent $10-20k+. I can't compete against the massive cash shopper class.

Fist damage is strength based. Dagger and bow damage is dex based. Dex for PvE is pointless. LA is squishy, sins die quick, archers usually too. It's not 1v1 that is the real problem, it's being focus fired when I'm rushing into enemy lines to stun. Immunity pots and AD only have so much cooldown.

One more thing, your wizard had cleric spirits gift buff, I am assuming. Ajay did not have titans which would have increased his damage index. BM and wizard damage is comparable. It's just that wizards will come all at once, while BM is over time.

Yes, and I didn't have barb strength or mage water buffs in that either, however Eyes are buggy when reporting your own stats. When you view your own, you don't see passive crit bonuses, and I'm not sure if barb strength or frostblade show either. I know that when someone else views you, the passives do show. Not sure about the damage buffs though, haven't been bothered to test them. My only intention of posting that was to show just how much base matk a wizard could have. A BM will never come close to that, but their damage index can come close perhaps even surpass, but that's unsparked as well.

Oh, I totally out DPS any wizard. Elayne can easily break 10k contribution in the event, but i'll easily break 20k and my highest is probably between 32-36k depending if I pick the right boss at the end. I'll never hit anywhere close to 800k in rebirth even with full attack buffs and a fully debuffed boss. On our server Ehee has gush crit one-shot many people with excellent gears. Mages are just brutal DPH.

Thank you.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

How many of those have you seen? I'm fairly certain nobody on PWI has Nirvana with 2x -0.5 int on them. At 9 raptures per re-roll, you may never get 2 -int adds.



And you'll be 4aps sparked unless you want to gimp your defenses with LA adorns for extra damage.



Ok, you're talking out of your **** now. TT100 Refines as G13, Lunar G13 refines as G14 (or G15 depending on who you want to believe) and the refine is the same as Nirvana. Only the base damage on Nirvana is higher.

really? wow...because thats the exact same point i posted

G11/G12/G13/G14 2nd Map Helm and 3rd Map Boots also refine the same as Nirvana, no matter which grade. You usually only see the G14 helms though because not many people actually farmed the G11/G12s.




Still just a rumor. Even PW-CN doesn't have -0.1 interval cape, if they do we'll certainly hear about it.

b:bye

def level sharding and ring refines pretty much negate the phys def loss from the 2 peice LA bonus (defineing sage armor setup as HA chest and lionheart belt nirvana pants LA boots writs int cape and tome)

endgame gear = gear you have at the end of the game pwi is a game built around collecting gear and improveing your toon thus endgame gear is the best possible gear a charecter can use that is attainable in game regardless of rareity or cost

so going off that yes nirvana claws would indeed be endgame if your willing to use a verry high grade m def neck (2nd or 3rd cube) or recast till you get obscenly lucky

but this is a game that would have you grind oht maps months on end for forests wisdom or tide's (pre packs) so pricy or rediculously hard to farm is par for course...and somone will get it anyways

and yes i know -.1 cape is a rumor think i stated that in the 1st post was going off possibilities if that where implemented

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

def level sharding and ring refines pretty much negate the phys def loss from the 2 peice LA bonus (defineing sage armor setup as HA chest and lionheart belt nirvana pants LA boots writs int cape and tome)

Not compared to someone else who does not have to make the compromise.

endgame gear = gear you have at the end of the game pwi is a game built around collecting gear and improveing your toon thus endgame gear is the best possible gear a charecter can use that is attainable in game regardless of rareity or cost

Ok, endgame for everyone is Warsoul, with +12 everything... when you getting yours? Sorry, some goals are too lofty or too expensive to be considered realistic. Yeah you can have your pwcalc private server fantasy build, that doesn't make it end-game.

so going off that yes nirvana claws would indeed be endgame if your willing to use a verry high grade m def neck (2nd or 3rd cube) or recast till you get obscenly lucky

lol. Yeah, how close to G16 cube neck are you?

but this is a game that would have you grind oht maps months on end for forests wisdom or tide's (pre packs) so pricy or rediculously hard to farm is par for course...and somone will get it anyways

Nobody has farmed G14 helm or boots on PWI. I know a few people that were about half-way there, since packs and Nirvana gear has come out, nobody will ever farm them. This game has turned into a game of convenience, not one of long term goals... have you missed the last 8 months?

and yes i know -.1 cape is a rumor think i stated that in the 1st post was going off possibilities if that where implemented

Started farming your G13 cape yet?

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Not compared to someone else who does not have to make the compromise.




Ok, endgame for everyone is Warsoul, with +12 everything... when you getting yours? Sorry, some goals are too lofty or too expensive to be considered realistic. Yeah you can have your pwcalc private server fantasy build, that doesn't make it end-game.




lol. Yeah, how close to G16 cube neck are you?




Nobody has farmed G14 helm or boots on PWI. I know a few people that were about half-way there, since packs and Nirvana gear has come out, nobody will ever farm them. This game has turned into a game of convenience, not one of long term goals... have you missed the last 8 months?




Started farming your G13 cape yet?

warsoul would be about 7 billion

5 aps is 600 mill

so roughly 14x the cost ya a mage is gonna get one of these sooner or laterb:shocked

ya much as i hate to say it people will get these 2nd grade cube neck would be about 200 mill if your lucky etc are these items pricy as hell/would take months of 100+ farming to get?...yes...will people get them? yes

as a ftp player can make about 2 mill a day instance farming out of 2x drops so lets look into the future a bit (yes i will make some assumptions)

365 days in a year= 730mill (not counting merchanting profits) so about a year of hardcore farming fora bm main/alt with highish refines and 5 aps (or 80 mill fora herced veno)

then consider that the amount that toon makes will greatly increase after that year say a 4x multiplier (not counting 2x/merchanting/new instances) thats 2.92 billion coin each year as a FTP player (yes no life blah blah blah)

say this persons a bloody good merchant and can double this thats a warsoul weapon farmed in a 2.5 years after makeign this toon

pwi has been out how long? people will get these items and no amount of Q.Q that will take a long time will stop them from being the end of game (endgame) weapons and gears of this mmo

so again...it is pricy, it will take a long time but again pwi has been out almost 2 years now so if somone was clued in and dead set on this gear even without cash shopping they could have it in 6 months to a year

so for me? should hit endgame in aobut 3 more years of this game if i stay that longb:sad

Ehee - Lost City

farming is boring.

i could farm a warsoul in 14months but thats too extreme, as for my g15 neck(got lucky with packs.b:chuckle) why bother with 6 more g14 necklace when you wont even benefit much money wise

also difference between g14/15/16 neck at +12 = about 100? -.- its the def/att level that countsb:bye

Telarith - Sanctuary

I made 50 mil doing 8 runs last week, and still not fully refined to where I want to be. So not counting merchanting profits, G15 cube necklace is only 1 month of work to get.

Though interestingly, if someone just aims for saving for warsoul, when they get near it they could use the proceeds from merchanting to flat out buy the 9 stamps to get G16 without any loss in principal. Varies based off of what particular items are used, but by warsoul just merchanting a few before investing for it means you'd have every end game item.

Will change on time as well, as more people enter the market. So 3 years would be way too long for current set-up, but may be realistic farther down the road. So stop **** around and hit 100 Josh!

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

I made 50 mil doing 8 runs last week, and still not fully refined to where I want to be. So not counting merchanting profits, G15 cube necklace is only 1 month of work to get.

Though interestingly, if someone just aims for saving for warsoul, when they get near it they could use the proceeds from merchanting to flat out buy the 9 stamps to get G16 without any loss in principal. Varies based off of what particular items are used, but by warsoul just merchanting a few before investing for it means you'd have every end game item.

Will change on time as well, as more people enter the market. So 3 years would be way too long for current set-up, but may be realistic farther down the road. So stop **** around and hit 100 Josh!

b:surrender just as soon as i sell these D orbs for my cape/lunar claw/demon bell fund

anyone on sanc wanna buy 610 1* dragon orbs? me love you long timeb:cute

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:surrender just as soon as i sell these D orbs for my cape/lunar claw/demon bell fund

anyone on sanc wanna buy 610 1* dragon orbs? me love you long timeb:cute

QQ you're always rolling in cash/valuable items, I want to be rich like you. b:cry