barb < bm < assassin ????

VeritasXXX - Raging Tide

AssasinBoss - Harshlands wrote: »

Im realy thinking about them !! barbs are freaky strong , i cant kill bms with my sin , and assassins kill fast but die fast to so fail like a wiz !! HELP b:sad

Barb..
Stunlock with APS BB barb.
b:bye

BM if hes a dummy and uses p.def marrow. PowerDash and bramble rage. lol at the 8-11k crits you hit on him.

(Decent BMs will have m. def marrow with Demon Bell on.)

They aren't impossible but you need skill to win in this factor they obv have a little at this point. b:laugh

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

I watched a 92 Wiz totally OWN a 93 BM repeatedly. BM got the Wiz once... They were duels, faction members having some fun. Both going all out. The Wiz is a pro oldschool player (uses a freaking ancient computer, was QQing about it taking 20 seconds to open up his invintory the other day).

I need to get off my *** and learn how to PVP for TW...

Kniraven - Lost City

Just about all of you but Michael Dark and a couple others i won't bother naming off are... I will use the words misinformed and ignorant.

IMO
BMs = geared should pretty much always defeat a sin.
Personally, I just spam WoB when a sin unstealths until it gets off, usually between 2 stuns/freezes. Then I tiger leap away, they'll either chase me or if they're smart port to me. Then I'll hit leap back. By the time they get to me again their maze step has worn off then I just stun lock and kill them.

On the other hand, I can name a few sins *cough* PC *cough* and a couple others who can kill me before the very first stun even ends (not that PC in particular couldn't kill me even if it wasn't before that first stun >_>;)

Barbs in general i see laugh at sins or just get pissed their charm ticked. When they're unstunned they arma and dead sin if they didn't deaden nerve.

Sins annihilate everyone else half the time though.

Okeano - Harshlands

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

Just about all of you but Michael Dark and a couple others i won't bother naming off are... I will use the words misinformed and ignorant.

IMO
BMs = geared should pretty much always defeat a sin.
Personally, I just spam WoB when a sin unstealths until it gets off, usually between 2 stuns/freezes. Then I tiger leap away, they'll either chase me or if they're smart port to me. Then I'll hit leap back. By the time they get to me again their maze step has worn off then I just stun lock and kill them.

On the other hand, I can name a few sins *cough* PC *cough* and a couple others who can kill me before the very first stun even ends (not that PC in particular couldn't kill me even if it wasn't before that first stun >_>;)

Barbs in general i see laugh at sins or just get pissed their charm ticked. When they're unstunned they arma and dead sin if they didn't deaden nerve.

Sins annihilate everyone else half the time though.

Depends on timing and Sin... There is no rule of thumb to it. Your spamming of WoB is useless if the opening sleep lands then followed by triple spark and Occult Ice Before sleep is up. Inner + mire + auto then Headhunt before Occult is up and ends with auto. Like I said, mostly timing.

I find Barbs actually easier than BM since if I mess up, I can always stall with sleep + freeze + repeat instead of getting stun for 6 seconds and punched to death. There's no point to Arma until they tick my Deaden.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

Just about all of you but Michael Dark and a couple others i won't bother naming off are... I will use the words misinformed and ignorant.

IMO
BMs = geared should pretty much always defeat a sin.
Personally, I just spam WoB when a sin unstealths until it gets off, usually between 2 stuns/freezes. Then I tiger leap away, they'll either chase me or if they're smart port to me. Then I'll hit leap back. By the time they get to me again their maze step has worn off then I just stun lock and kill them.

On the other hand, I can name a few sins *cough* PC *cough* and a couple others who can kill me before the very first stun even ends (not that PC in particular couldn't kill me even if it wasn't before that first stun >_>;)

Barbs in general i see laugh at sins or just get pissed their charm ticked. When they're unstunned they arma and dead sin if they didn't deaden nerve.

Sins annihilate everyone else half the time though.

question

you know what the non tardeds sins do? stealth and try again after you bolshi

oh and these also have the 33% skill resist on rather than damage so good luck actualyl stunlocking them to death (i mean it its a 44% chance not counting evade to actualy lock the sin for the space of 2 stuns if they dont tele stun to break your lock or port to a mob/random object even lower with smack as a bridge)

so let me again say this the run of the mill "i like knives because they ish pointy" sin will drop like a rock

a well played sin is not going to lose 1 v 1 w/o obscene luck on your part

oh and what okeano said

Kniraven - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

question

you know what the non tardeds sins do? stealth and try again after you bolshi

oh and these also have the 33% skill resist on rather than damage so good luck actualyl stunlocking them to death (i mean it its a 44% chance not counting evade to actualy lock the sin for the space of 2 stuns if they dont tele stun to break your lock or port to a mob/random object even lower with smack as a bridge)

so let me again say this the run of the mill "i like knives because they ish pointy" sin will drop like a rock

a well played sin is not going to lose 1 v 1 w/o obscene luck on your part

oh and what okeano said

I'm sorry but if you usually drop to an equally geared sin on your BM I don't think you're playing your BM very well.

In the game of Rock Paper Scissors, BM>Sin

Kyna - Lost City

I'm pretty sure there's a reason why sins only attack me on my cleric and not while I'm on my bm.

ijs

Okeano - Harshlands

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

I'm sorry but if you usually drop to an equally geared sin on your BM I don't think you're playing your BM very well.

In the game of Rock Paper Scissors, BM>Sin

The non-CS Sins on LC must suck then?

Kaste - Sanctuary

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

The non-CS Sins on LC must suck then?

You know i never actually seen a useful post of you? lol (not meant in a bad way)

You should have named your sin Divine_Sushi or Divine_Fishstick instead, btw.

Kniraven - Lost City

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

The non-CS Sins on LC must suck then?

No I usually beat most cash shop sins as well. I am not saying RAWR BM BEST CLASS RAWR. It is my honest opinion however that Blademasters have a significant advantage over Assassins. Assassins greater damage is not so greatly significant that it makes up for their low physical defense in a 1 vs 1 batle between stunning interval classes.

Plus, I can hit most 10x sins for about 7k just by triple sparking + bolt.

Kaste - Sanctuary

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I watched a 92 Wiz totally OWN a 93 BM repeatedly. BM got the Wiz once... They were duels, faction members having some fun. Both going all out. The Wiz is a pro oldschool player (uses a freaking ancient computer, was QQing about it taking 20 seconds to open up his invintory the other day).

I need to get off my *** and learn how to PVP for TW...

I experienced the opposite. I dueled a level 96 Wiz multiple times. Having fun xD. He owned me most times, but i actually managed to win a few times. I was level 82. ^^

Kyna - Lost City

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

The non-CS Sins on LC must suck then?

I suppose the non-CS blademasters on HL must suck then?

Sorry I had to lol.

Okeano - Harshlands

Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »

You know i never actually seen a useful post of you? lol (not meant in a bad way)

You should have named your sin Divine_Sushi or Divine_Fishstick instead, btw.

Divine_Death is my BM. Want to see a useful post of mine? Go to BM or Sin forum.

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

No I usually beat most cash shop sins as well. I am not saying RAWR BM BEST CLASS RAWR. It is my honest opinion however that Blademasters have a significant advantage over Assassins. Assassins greater damage is not so greatly significant that it makes up for their low physical defense in a 1 vs 1 batle between stunning interval classes.

Plus, I can hit most 10x sins for about 7k just by triple sparking + bolt.

Just how they let you triple spark in the first place in a 1v1 is beyond my comprehension. Properly done, you shouldn't even have the chance to do anything, unless you got like 15k HP with phy marrow on to tank the initial attack. Only thing I can see is you Expel and tank it out then counter. If you use Domain, it should be countered by Maze+Throatcut at the end of immune to ride out the anti stun then followed by stun... Left alone with no others to interfere, I have no problem with BMs of same level gears, which would be about 7-8k HP at most.

It's too bad that we are on different servers.

Kniraven - Lost City

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Divine_Death is my BM. Want to see a useful post of mine? Go to BM or Sin forum.



Just how they let you triple spark in the first place in a 1v1 is beyond my comprehension. Properly done, you shouldn't even have the chance to do anything, unless you got like 15k HP with phy marrow on to tank the initial attack. Only thing I can see is you Expel and tank it out then counter. If you use Domain, it should be countered by Maze+Throatcut at the end of immune to ride out the anti stun then followed by stun... Left alone with no others to interfere, I have no problem with BMs of same level gears, which would be about 7-8k HP at most.

It's too bad that we are on different servers.

You misunderstood, and it was my fault for not being clear. I don't triple spark in fights unless it is against a BM or Barb and we are having trouble killing each other. I was just saying Sins have relatively low hp and defense so if I see them out of stealth and ninja them, or AoE an area they happen to be in. They usually die.

The only times an equally geared sin kills me before I have a chance to do anything is when im on the ground and I am hit with an amped bramble rage. I don't know what you do but the majority of sins I get attacked by when I am alone come out of stealth trying to sleep me, they stun me if that doesn't work, and the are either double sparked or they spark after i've been slept.

The nastier ones will have occult ice ready so they can get a longer stunlock with no gaps. First gap in the stunlock I hit will. I've probably ticked at this point and they have Maze step up. so I can't immediately stun them. If my hp is an issue (below half) I will use smack in an attempt to seal, if not I will just tiger leap away so i can heal myself real fast.

Occasionally the sins I fight will force stealth at this point but usually they teleport to me or run after me. I'm also usually frozen at this point (can't move) but my leaps still work. So I will leap away again. By the time they've reached me a second time maze step has worn off. Then it's roar, occult ice, drakes bash, smack, roar, occult ice, drakes bash (me hitting with my claws inbetween stuns skills) and I of course have bolt of tyresius to freeze them inplace if it is necessary (Not to mention it hits hard and has a rather large AoE that i can throw off on anything in the area ifthey've managed to stealth away through this by hitting expel).

I almost never die to sins in 1 vs 1. =/

I have 7k hp, +8 cv claws, I am only 2.2 aps natural and am a sage BM.

Okeano - Harshlands

That's the point I was trying to make about depending on timing. If done correctly and Occult doesn't fail, there shouldn't be a gap in the lock unless you use Domain or Expel to tank it out. The lock time from sleep+Occult+Headhunt with Mire added is enough for me to spark and drop average 10X Barb in tiger mode with my +4 TT80 daggers at 2.86 APS. It'll be even more effective if I bother to do the Power Dash trick right before Headhunt (not sharing it with other Sins =P), but I'm always too lazy.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

No I usually beat most cash shop sins as well. I am not saying RAWR BM BEST CLASS RAWR. It is my honest opinion however that Blademasters have a significant advantage over Assassins. Assassins greater damage is not so greatly significant that it makes up for their low physical defense in a 1 vs 1 batle between stunning interval classes.

Plus, I can hit most 10x sins for about 7k just by triple sparking + bolt.

if you are hitting the sin at all they suck was my point

you can be locked for up to a minute with no room for bolshi if the timing is right

they will only be there untill lock fails or maze runs out

you have a 33% chance of any stun stoping them from fleeing

the HELL have you refined your claws to +8 for when you could get more DPS per coin by stacking int gear you would buy anyways

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Lets end this thread.

80% of 10x sins are cash shoppers. Cash shopper = no brain. No brain = do not know what to do in battle.

Kaste - Sanctuary

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Divine_Death is my BM. Want to see a useful post of mine? Go to BM or Sin forum.

I know that, else I wouldn't have used these names. It was a joke, you know that?

Also wow there actually ARE useful posts by you. Congratulations

Okeano - Harshlands

Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also wow there actually ARE useful posts by you. Congratulations

Yes, surprisingly.

Kniraven - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

if you are hitting the sin at all they suck was my point

you can be locked for up to a minute with no room for bolshi if the timing is right

they will only be there untill lock fails or maze runs out

you have a 33% chance of any stun stoping them from fleeing

the HELL have you refined your claws to +8 for when you could get more DPS per coin by stacking int gear you would buy anyways

My gears aren't cash shopped, with the exception of the second socket on my +6 HH90 gold sword. I get a new/better piece when I'm given the opportunity. Yes, I have +8 CV's and only hit 2.2 natural. I'm Sage so I use Relentless to go at 3.3 for PvE.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=23311af593881b0d

what I am hearing is QQQ Sins OP QQ I can no hurt themz QQ ...
They don't hit you any harder than you hit them, and you damn well should have more hp...
It is indeed too bad me Okeano aren't on similar servers but maybe you can go Fraps yourself killing some BMs on your server and I can try and catch some of my fights with sins.

Rasgore - Harshlands

DrDrakkentre - Lost City wrote: »

Try to keep the target stunlocked, and also try double sparking before opening from stealth... Barbs hit hard but I've noticed they go down pretty fast if they're immobilized. course, once you get demon sparked..b:shocked

lol if u emobaliz a barb they dont go down easy and no sin is good enogh to hold a barb stunlock for that long

Rasgore - Harshlands

Sezan - Harshlands wrote: »

agreed

sins cant be stunned *cough tidal*

clearly you have been fighting noob *** sins b:thanks

i stun lvl 90+ sins wat u thalking bout

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

Rasgore - Harshlands wrote: »

lol if u emobaliz a barb they dont go down easy and no sin is good enogh to hold a barb stunlock for that long

Rasgore - Harshlands wrote: »

i stun lvl 90+ sins wat u thalking bout

I really hope English isn't your first language.

Kniraven - Lost City

Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I really hope English isn't your first language.

English? O.o Wutz be datzz!? I onzly speaks American b:pleased

Pot_Head - Harshlands

Sins can kill barbs

and bms

/thread

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Pot_Head - Harshlands wrote: »

Sins can kill barbs

and bms

/thread

9 times out of 10, i can beat a sin more then 5 levels higher then me.

volst

Let's just merge them all together into one class: BarbaricAssMasters.

Spnker - Archosaur

DrDrakkentre - Lost City wrote: »

Try to keep the target stunlocked, and also try double sparking before opening from stealth... Barbs hit hard but I've noticed they go down pretty fast if they're immobilized. course, once you get demon sparked..b:shocked

Most Of The Time A Sin Can kill a barb but ive seen sins take out bm quick if they do it right but then ive seen a lvl 100 sin get owned by a 90 bm but the bm was healing some how but most the time stun stun stun thats my best advice for you b:pleased

Spnker - Archosaur

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lets end this thread.

80% of 10x sins are cash shoppers. Cash shopper = no brain. No brain = do not know what to do in battle.

i know what u mean catshop= no brain i had a cleric that was a pure catshoper and she didnt know how to heal so i ended up dieing 10 or so times b:shocked and my mom and aunt ( my whole family plays the game) finally ended up telling her how to heal b:victory

Spnker - Archosaur

Spnker - Archosaur wrote: »

Most Of The Time A Sin Can kill a barb but ive seen sins take out bm quick if they do it right but then ive seen a lvl 100 sin get owned by a 90 bm but the bm was healing some how but most the time stun stun stun thats my best advice for you b:pleased

And Some Ppl Think ur a cashshoper if u buy fash and mounts and stuff outa AH b:irritated b:scorn